You want to keep the engine running? Keep the remote inside the car, use the digital entry from the windscreen.

With the engine off? Press on the remote.

I'm merely sharing my thoughts. If you'd mind to go read back what I've said, you'll know that I'm not "bashing kaw kaw".

Who sounds more like the one bashing here saying people telling stupid things and making statements that make oneself look like a fool? True, I may not know how the keyless system works, but isn't it easier for you to explain first before you assume that I'm bashing you and your statements, and perhaps your product?

Is it then stupid for a student to ask his/her teacher things, or make so-called 'stupid' statements when he/she have little knowledge in that subject?


Where & which statement in this post that offended you and 'bashed' you kaw kaw?

If you're really here to share your knowledge, what you think is good, what's the latest stuff that could be beneficial to our cars and not just trying to hardsell your products (I'm just saying, I don't know if you're selling it or what, don't assume that I'm 'bashing' you again), then I suppose you'd be more than willing to make others understand it rather than getting your own blood boiling & firing the one who have little idea of how it works.

In the video, it's shown that the keypad can start the car without the key in ignition, am I rite? If that's the case, does the immobiliser/power-cut still works? If it doesn't, it means that the keypad would be the ultimate lock for the car if installed, right? And I always think that a remote/keypad's signal is easier to duplicate than an immobiliser (just my RM 1.90 cents, I'm not trying to 'bash you kaw kaw'), mind to shed some light on this?

yeah, better option..at least i know the cause of this issued..thanks for the feedback..

It's because the rubber degrades very quickly. I think there is a member here who insulated the pipings with something (not sure what), and the noise is totally gone. Maybe that member can share here?

Tick tock sound? A 'tick' when ur wiper goes up and 'tock' when it's down? That's the wiper relay noise. Most, if not all PEs have it.

3.5k RPM/130KM/h as stated in the manual.

like Xan said..max speed for D (in auto) is 130km/h for 1st 1000km..

just read the manual..

for 1st 500km i just slow2 only (max 100km/h)

and then start to 110 - 130 km/h

I believe what brother Cavino meant here is the possibility of a snatch thief opening up the car door & snatching whatever that's valuable when the owner is standing beside the car pumping petrol/talking to friends, etc.

But bro Cavino, here's what I understand and can tell you;

The keypad needs to be in range in order for the one on the windscreen to work. When you're near the car, the door doesn't unlock itself automatically; you still need to press the button on the windscreen touchpad/digital entry in order to unlock the car. So even when you're near your car, you shouldn't be worried that some snatch thief will just come opening your door as they have to unlock the car door from the windscreen first.

But there's one thing that still baffles me; what happens if you start your car with the keypad, or perhaps have someone nearby to start your car with it, and then drive the car off without the keypad in the car? Does the ignition cuts off?

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Added on June 27, 2011, 1:02 pmI didn't give a damn about the manual & factory recommendations when I got my car

Terus go Duke bantai 170-180 KM/h first to test the car's power..

This post has been edited by xandras: Jun 27 2011, 01:02 PM

good job bro!

First of all, sorry for not explaining at first and i take back my earlier statement with the harsh content, you have my apologize. We are here to share our thought / talks, not to start a way.

But with your assumption like how one can steal my car with just stealing my remote and walk away with my car it somehow sounds like bashing to me directly.

I admit this is my product, which is now not available in the market yet, and you wont probably find them in Malaysia. It is still in r&d (ala stability/durability testing) mode.

To answered to the bold part.

The digital keypad on the windscreen can start the car without the key in ignition, unlock the doors/boot. BUT to operate that, you either need to carry the remote near the car so the keypad will only function OR you need to enter your own pass-code (which is set by the user as long as you want) to operate it.

Mainly this keypad is to work as a programmer to setup up features like
-turbo timer
-siren sound
-cranking timer
-auto rearm timer
-keypad sensitivity
-24hour warm up engine feature (use it to warm / charge your battery when you went to oversea and no ones taking care your car)
-door indicator on when you open your doors
-disable / enable the feature to use digital keypad when the remote is not in range.
-remote start safety feature (the engine will turn off itself, and arm the car if no one is in the car after the remote start work for a certain time eg:5 minute, 10 minute, etc etc)
-stealth mode (no siren sound when operating the system, just the blinker will flash and only sound will work is warning sound)
-system stop (to fully stop the system)
-speed reduction sensor (like the new Exora, when u do emergency brake the double signal will flash itself to give warning to the driver behind you)
-and alot more to state here..

The immobilizer still play a part in this alarm system, it is still operating and coped with the alarm system. It works by using a immobilizer bypass and link to the alarm main unit. When the remote is detected in range, the main unit will send signal to your stock immobilizer and allow the engine to be started. If no remote is in range, the immobilizer bypass will not work since it doesn't have signal from the main unit to work, thus it make the engine enable to start (not even a crank).

This alarm uses two antenna with two different frequency to work at the same time. RF (so that you can operate unlock/lock/remote start/open trunk by clicking on the remote. LFID (work only when you are within the proximity). Everything will goes into full shut down mode when the car is armed. And only the remote will send signal to the receiver, not the otherwise. (Since it's not two way?)

You can have your immobilizer / remote / keypad duplicate provided if you have them with you.

I think how a ride lasts depends on how you drive it over its lifespan. If you drive like a tortoise during the 1st 1000 KMs and then suddenly Ayrton Senna possessed you after the service and you started driving high rev all the time, sure the engine won't last also. Know this from first hand experience, last time my Myvi high rev all the time, engine noise became very loud. Then with my PE, 1st 1000 KMs drive quite F&F lah cos excited with new car, then after that the need for achievement made me drive slow to get low FC. Even till now the PE's engine noise still very silent @ 20k KMs.

Oh btw guys, yes.. I did sold my PE already.. But I'm still having access to it..

Ok, let me explain further.
Engine start with the remote / touchscreen we called it remote start.

If you used the remote start (be it remote / touchscreen), and the door will lock themselves before starting the engine. After the engine has completely started, it will sound a unique melody to indicate a "successful" or "unsuccessful" starts. All the doors will remaining lock, until the owner get close to the vehicle.

If someone intrude your car by breaking the windows or doors after/during the remote start function, the engine will shut down itself, everything will cut off, and the siren will sound. You will then need to disarm with your remote.

If like that, everyone can just break your window and push the button and chao... If no remote is in range, when one push on the button, it will gives 3 loud warning sound. 5 unauthorized access and it will goes completely cut off.

The door will unlock/lock itself when you are near to your vehicle (when i mean near, you have to be near to the driver door / front passenger door). This is the feature of keyless entry, but then you can still lock your vehicle by pressing on the remote.

The keypad is mainly built for your wife/girlfriend/passenger only, not you.

This post has been edited by victor87: Jun 27 2011, 01:39 PM

Setting own pass-code seems to be in trend for most alarm system nowadays, whether it's keyless or the conventional remote alarm. And I feel that it's a good way to secure your car with the pass-code as even if the remote is duplicated, the thief still needs the pass-code to start the car.

The old alarm system works in a rather simpler way;

1. Press the unlock button.
2. Get in the car & start the car with the key.

In this case, the problem that thieves would be having is to start the car as the immobiliser is the one that disables the car. And I know there are thieves who actually have transmitter to transmit frequencies to unlock the car alarm. (I'm not sure how much that device costs, must be a lot. You can go to a locksmith and they usually have it.)

But this keyless system;

1. Be near your car while having the remote with you.
2. Press the button on the digital entry pad on your windscreen.
3. Start the car and drive off.

In this situation, the thief, if they can imitate the frequency that's used by your keypad, they can bypass your immobiliser as well as the way the system works is as long as the frequency/keypad is nearby, the immobiliser is disabled. So it's easier for the thief to start your car, right?

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Added on June 27, 2011, 1:46 pmThat's the concern that Cavino brought up. So let's say you're standing near your car, maybe pumping petrol or talking to your friends and some snatch thief come up, open your door and steal your stuff. Snatch thieves, the things that they're after are usually handbags and notebooks, not the car itself. If you're pumping petrol, your engine would be off (Because the law says so and this is what you're supposed to do, not leave your ignition on when you're pumping petrol.).

If you're near the car with the remote, the doors still don't miraculously unlock itself unless you unlock it from the windscreen, am I rite? If not, it would be dangerous, especially for women drivers at parking lots as a thief/rapist may just jump behind the woman & conveniently drag her into the car without the need of unlocking the doors at all. Also, snatch thieves may just open the door & steal the handbag when she's pumping petrol/etc.

This post has been edited by xandras: Jun 27 2011, 01:46 PM

is it? where is the member "hide" now? somewhere here?

Not sure le..

Mb he was doing Yoga.. The Kamasutra way...

No worries about speeding.. The moment i got my car i went for top speed testing and break in sessions (like the new style breaking in way) and went for dyno also.. All before 600km.. Then u change ur oil earlier a bit. Like say 850km..

Now this make sense to me to spend 2k on the product.. U could have listed this down earlier.. .
Btw whats cranking timer?

As for keyless go and u are worried of ur car signal being copied etc etc.. Just get a brake lock lah.. Even the fella can start ur car also doesnt means he can drive ur car.. And fyi eventhough this system will be able to bypass the ignition kill feature in the brake lock, it wont be much difference cos the brake lock ignition kill can already be disabled by just unplugging the y-socket and plugging the original socket back..

The most important thing when u want to prevent a car theft is to see the theft happening from the thief's point of view.. It doesnt matter how much of safety and precaution u take, how many steering wheel lock, brake lock, immobiliser, viper system etc etc.. If the thief says its jackable within 5mins, it can be done..

As for the fella copying ur remote unlocking signal, its widely available anywhere.. There are 2 ways to prevent ur car remote from working. One is using a frequency jammer, another is a frequency duplicator..

A jammer works like an EMP.. It blast out signals it detects, confusing the alarm, so caused ur car not able to lock due to confusing signals. u will then think ur alarm is spoilt or remote battery weak, and u proceed to manual lock ur car.. Bingo.. Just break glass discreetly and slowly hotwire ur car..

A frequency duplicator is what u see at those locksmiths.. they detect frequencies and store it.. Then when u are away from ur car, they just need to blast the frequencies out and the car will unlock by itself. Fyi high end cars come with descrambler codes to prevent the same frequency from being reused.. But i bet those in out car ones are using a predetermined scrambler code.. So all the thief need is another few persona keys, and they can owrk out the code for every cars and what kind of encryption its using. Still rmb the small metal dog tag thingy that came with ur car keys? it has an alphabet and numbers on it? thats ur code.. I get ur code and u are gg.com.my.

Aiyah ultimate security for your car lah..

Keyless alarm system + brake lock + steering lock + wheel lock (motorbike/bicycle style) + gear lever lock + chain your car to a pillar using high tensile chains.. Habis cerita

i forgot to fully wind up my driver's side window last night, today my car still there...

well explained...eh I had no idea what was that metal dogtag thingy till now...i think i sudah throw it away liao

Just now I wanted to make spare key without the black cover. I just want the normal flat key to put in my wallet for emergency but the locksmith said that my car won't be able to start without the original key. Is it true?

Ok guys, not to be demotivating here, but we're talking about ways to secure a plus minus RM 50k car. True, Proton cars are high on the thieves' list as one of the most sought after cars for their parts, but I still don't see why should we be more worried for our cars. Yes, some people may think that prevention is better than cure, but I think personal safety is way more important here. Especially for lady drivers, they did all they can to prevent their car & valuables from being stolen but risk themselves getting raped or even murdered.

My advice is, no matter what alarm system u're using, keep it short, simple & doesn't trouble you when emergency comes. Even expensive cars are still using the same alarm system as ours, (passcode keyless entry for Mercedes S-class, but thats about it. Inside, it's conventional immobiliser and autolock.). My 2 cents.

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Added on June 27, 2011, 2:15 pmThere is an immobiliser in the black cover. That's why you can't start the car.

This post has been edited by xandras: Jun 27 2011, 02:15 PM

yeah thats the info we need......the purpose you share here is to get others opinion wright ? since you are not officially selling it yet and you are still in R&D, every member here give you opinion are very helpfulll for you in your desingnig product, i belive if you can solve the most quiries from member here your product will be successful on the market.

It is cool and creative to use touch pad as the pass code enter method i personally like the touch pad design that will give you a light on respond when you prees it. ....at the video i was quaries why the touch pad locate at the front passanger windscreen now i know it was for others ppl use except the key holder. But it also kinda wierd if driver need to operate the touch pad when inside the car or you have another touch pad in side the car.