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post Jun 27 2011, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Jun 27 2011, 01:15 PM)
good job bro!  laugh.gif
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I think how a ride lasts depends on how you drive it over its lifespan. If you drive like a tortoise during the 1st 1000 KMs and then suddenly Ayrton Senna possessed you after the service and you started driving high rev all the time, sure the engine won't last also. Know this from first hand experience, last time my Myvi high rev all the time, engine noise became very loud. Then with my PE, 1st 1000 KMs drive quite F&F lah cos excited with new car, then after that the need for achievement made me drive slow to get low FC. Even till now the PE's engine noise still very silent @ 20k KMs.

Oh btw guys, yes.. I did sold my PE already.. But I'm still having access to it.. brows.gif
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post Jun 27 2011, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(victor87 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:22 PM)
First of all, sorry for not explaining at first and i take back my earlier statement with the harsh content, you have my apologize.  biggrin.gif We are here to share our thought / talks, not to start a way.

But with your assumption like how one can steal my car with just stealing my remote and walk away with my car it somehow sounds like bashing to me directly.

I admit this is my product, which is now not available in the market yet, and you wont probably find them in Malaysia. It is still in r&d (ala stability/durability testing) mode.

To answered to the bold part.

The digital keypad on the windscreen can start the car without the key in ignition, unlock the doors/boot. BUT to operate that, you either need to carry the remote near the car so the keypad will only function OR you need to enter your own pass-code (which is set by the user as long as you want) to operate it.

Mainly this keypad is to work as a programmer to setup up features like
-turbo timer
-siren sound
-cranking timer
-auto rearm timer
-keypad sensitivity
-24hour warm up engine feature (use it to warm / charge your battery when you went to oversea and no ones taking care your car)
-door indicator on when you open your doors
-disable / enable the feature to use digital keypad when the remote is not in range.
-remote start safety feature (the engine will turn off itself, and arm the car if no one is in the car after the remote start work for a certain time eg:5 minute, 10 minute, etc etc)
-stealth mode (no siren sound when operating the system, just the blinker will flash and only sound will work is warning sound)
-system stop (to fully stop the system)
-speed reduction sensor (like the new Exora, when u do emergency brake the double signal will flash itself to give warning to the driver behind you)
-and alot more to state here..

The immobilizer still play a part in this alarm system, it is still operating and coped with the alarm system. It works by using a immobilizer bypass and link to the alarm main unit. When the remote is detected in range, the main unit will send signal to your stock immobilizer and allow the engine to be started. If no remote is in range, the immobilizer bypass will not work since it doesn't have signal from the main unit to work, thus it make the engine enable to start (not even a crank).

This alarm uses two antenna with two different frequency to work at the same time. RF (so that you can operate unlock/lock/remote start/open trunk by clicking on the remote. LFID (work only when you are within the proximity). Everything will goes into full shut down mode when the car is armed. And only the remote will send signal to the receiver, not the otherwise. (Since it's not two way?)

You can have your immobilizer / remote / keypad duplicate provided if you have them with you.
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Setting own pass-code seems to be in trend for most alarm system nowadays, whether it's keyless or the conventional remote alarm. And I feel that it's a good way to secure your car with the pass-code as even if the remote is duplicated, the thief still needs the pass-code to start the car.

The old alarm system works in a rather simpler way;

1. Press the unlock button.
2. Get in the car & start the car with the key.

In this case, the problem that thieves would be having is to start the car as the immobiliser is the one that disables the car. And I know there are thieves who actually have transmitter to transmit frequencies to unlock the car alarm. (I'm not sure how much that device costs, must be a lot. You can go to a locksmith and they usually have it.)

But this keyless system;

1. Be near your car while having the remote with you.
2. Press the button on the digital entry pad on your windscreen.
3. Start the car and drive off.

In this situation, the thief, if they can imitate the frequency that's used by your keypad, they can bypass your immobiliser as well as the way the system works is as long as the frequency/keypad is nearby, the immobiliser is disabled. So it's easier for the thief to start your car, right?


Added on June 27, 2011, 1:46 pm
QUOTE(victor87 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:30 PM)
Ok, let me explain further.
Engine start with the remote / touchscreen we called it remote start.

If you used the remote start (be it remote / touchscreen), and the door will lock themselves before starting the engine. After the engine has completely started, it will sound a unique melody to indicate a "successful" starts. All the doors will remaining lock, until the owner get close to the vehicle.

If someone intrude your car by breaking the windows or doors after the remote start function, the engine will shut down itself and the siren will sound. You will need the remote with you to start the engine.

If like that, everyone can just break your window and push the button and chao... If no remote is in range, when one push on the button, it will gives 3 loud warning sound. 5 unauthorized access and it will goes completely cut off.
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That's the concern that Cavino brought up. So let's say you're standing near your car, maybe pumping petrol or talking to your friends and some snatch thief come up, open your door and steal your stuff. Snatch thieves, the things that they're after are usually handbags and notebooks, not the car itself. If you're pumping petrol, your engine would be off (Because the law says so and this is what you're supposed to do, not leave your ignition on when you're pumping petrol.).

If you're near the car with the remote, the doors still don't miraculously unlock itself unless you unlock it from the windscreen, am I rite? If not, it would be dangerous, especially for women drivers at parking lots as a thief/rapist may just jump behind the woman & conveniently drag her into the car without the need of unlocking the doors at all. Also, snatch thieves may just open the door & steal the handbag when she's pumping petrol/etc.

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post Jun 27 2011, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Jun 27 2011, 01:47 PM)
is it? where is the member "hide" now? somewhere here?
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Not sure le..ph34r.gif
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post Jun 27 2011, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Jun 27 2011, 01:53 PM)
Mb he was doing Yoga.. The Kamasutra way...  tongue.gif
No worries about speeding.. The moment i got my car i went for top speed testing and break in sessions (like the new style breaking in way) and went for dyno also.. All before 600km.. Then u change ur oil earlier a bit. Like say 850km..
Now this make sense to me to spend 2k on the product.. U could have listed this down earlier.. tongue.gif.
Btw whats cranking timer?

As for keyless go and u are worried of ur car signal being copied etc etc.. Just get a brake lock lah.. Even the fella can start ur car also doesnt means he can drive ur car.. And fyi eventhough this system will be able to bypass the ignition kill feature in the brake lock, it wont be much difference cos the brake lock ignition kill can already be disabled by just unplugging the y-socket and plugging the original socket back..

The most important thing when u want to prevent a car theft is to see the theft happening from the thief's point of view.. It doesnt matter how much of safety and precaution u take, how many steering wheel lock, brake lock, immobiliser, viper system etc etc.. If the thief says its jackable within 5mins, it can be done..

As for the fella copying ur remote unlocking signal, its widely available anywhere.. There are 2 ways to prevent ur car remote from working. One is using a frequency jammer, another is a frequency duplicator..

A jammer works like an EMP.. It blast out signals it detects, confusing the alarm, so caused ur car not able to lock due to confusing signals. u will then think ur alarm is spoilt or remote battery weak, and u proceed to manual lock ur car.. Bingo.. Just break glass discreetly and slowly hotwire ur car..

A frequency duplicator is what u see at those locksmiths.. they detect frequencies and store it.. Then when u are away from ur car, they just need to blast the frequencies out and the car will unlock by itself. Fyi high end cars come with descrambler codes to prevent the same frequency from being reused.. But i bet those in out car ones are using a predetermined scrambler code.. So all the thief need is another few persona keys, and they can owrk out the code for every cars and what kind of encryption its using. Still rmb the small metal dog tag thingy that came with ur car keys? it has an alphabet and numbers on it? thats ur code.. I get ur code and u are gg.com.my.
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Aiyah ultimate security for your car lah..

Keyless alarm system + brake lock + steering lock + wheel lock (motorbike/bicycle style) + gear lever lock + chain your car to a pillar using high tensile chains.. Habis cerita doh.gif
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post Jun 27 2011, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(K.Lee @ Jun 27 2011, 02:05 PM)
i forgot to fully wind up my driver's side window last night, today my car still there... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Ok guys, not to be demotivating here, but we're talking about ways to secure a plus minus RM 50k car. True, Proton cars are high on the thieves' list as one of the most sought after cars for their parts, but I still don't see why should we be more worried for our cars. Yes, some people may think that prevention is better than cure, but I think personal safety is way more important here. Especially for lady drivers, they did all they can to prevent their car & valuables from being stolen but risk themselves getting raped or even murdered.

My advice is, no matter what alarm system u're using, keep it short, simple & doesn't trouble you when emergency comes. Even expensive cars are still using the same alarm system as ours, (passcode keyless entry for Mercedes S-class, but thats about it. Inside, it's conventional immobiliser and autolock.). My 2 cents.


Added on June 27, 2011, 2:15 pm
QUOTE(MovingMachine @ Jun 27 2011, 02:14 PM)
Just now I wanted to make spare key without the black cover. I just want the normal flat key to put in my wallet for emergency but the locksmith said that my car won't be able to start without the original key. Is it true?
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There is an immobiliser in the black cover. That's why you can't start the car.

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post Jun 27 2011, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Jun 27 2011, 02:19 PM)
yeah thats the info we need......the purpose you share here is to get others opinion wright ? since you are not officially selling it yet and you are still in R&D, every member here give you opinion are very helpfulll for you in your desingnig product, i belive if you can solve the most quiries from member here your product will be successful on the market.

It is cool and creative to use touch pad as the pass code enter method i personally like the touch pad design that will give you a light on respond when you prees it. ....at the video i was quaries why the touch pad locate at the front passanger windscreen now i know it was for others ppl use except the key holder. But it also kinda wierd if driver need to operate the touch pad when inside the car or you have another touch pad in side the car.
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That's what I was wondering too. But I think if u're the keyholder, u'll be starting ur car using the car key instead of the windscreen touchpad. But IF u're the keyholder, and the remote needs to be near the car in order for the windscreen touchpad to work, then there's no reason for your passenger to use it right? Unless it's for cool factor la. U're already near the car why don't u just be a gentleman & unlock the car for that chick rather than asking her to go press press on the windscreen? doh.gif My 2 cents. No offence whatsoever, as I find that most of the things I said here easily offends other people. I don't know whether it's them being sensitive or me being arrogant, like what cho_petpet said the other day. Maybe the latter.

QUOTE(K.Lee @ Jun 27 2011, 02:19 PM)
yeah... one of the reason some security system had failed, for example the finger print one... do you want your thumb to be chopped off and being runaway with your car?
and you know thieves nowadays are nuts, they don't get what they want, they gonna give you even worst stuff..
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Exactly. Nothing is more important than personal safety & life.

Btw sam, finally came back to Malaysia d? How's ur sexcapade? brows.gif & where's my harmee goreng?? vmad.gif
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post Jun 27 2011, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(victor87 @ Jun 27 2011, 02:24 PM)
The digital entry pad is not optional to use by the owner, since we can have it control with our remote easily. The keypad is mainly built for your wife/gf/friend/mom/family convenient.

The keypad on the windscreen is wired connected, so no way it will transmit frequency.

Well then the thief have to imitate two frequency. The remote send only signals, while the main unit inside the vehicle only receive signals. If no one press the remote, no one can dupe the signal i guess?

Hacking RFID is very high tech thingy, especially hacking low frequency, and it takes time to generate the right frequency. Most alarm have delay if u press continuously, that is why the time gap slow down the theft. If u want to hack, i think u have to get very close to the car and holding up a duplicator with a cup of coffee.

Some high end model of Viper alarm comes with rolling code, but only the code will change itself when the owner press on the remote. What if the theft duplicate the code when you park your car in a shopping mall?? 30 minutes is good enough to dupe the code, since your code will only change when u press on the remote. Right?  icon_rolleyes.gif

Most of the high end alarm system comes with an rolling code, which means it will change the frequency in circulation for XXX times.

The system can accept up to three remote at once, to register them you need to setup in the digital keypad.
Nono.. You don't operate them with the digital keypad, it's not something the driver will oftenly used. It's built for your passenger convenient, you can cancel it by programming it too.

Once you have enter your car, start your engine and put the handbrake / foot on the brake the door will lock itself. If the door lock itself when the driver closed the door, what about the passenger? That time u will need to unlock the door again.. When you're pumping your petrol, most probably someone will stay near the door and some stay near the petrol filler.

This is how keyless works, it has advantage and disadvantage, for some car, when you locked the door, the fuel filler cap will lock itself too, then how to cope with this?  doh.gif

Nothing is perfect. That's the keyless advantage and disadvantage.
Hahaha.. i said the thing has not been finalize yet maa... where can show?  tongue.gif

Cranking timer : some car / old car / diesel car / cars in cold weather need longer cranking time to start their engine. Some car have powerful starter and crank up the car easily, like my DMAX 1/2 crank already can get the cold engine started. Persona need 1 second to crank their cold state engine, warmed engine takes 0.4sec (i dunno why, maybe starter not powerful enough to crank up a cold engine.) Cranking timer is 0.3, 0.4, 0.6 and 1sec. I used 1 sec for my timer since sometime in cold weather really hard to start and CamPro has cut off feature. If in case your engine really hard to start / battery weak, you can press on the button for more than 4 second, that it will force start until the engine successfully cranked up.

Our CamPro comes with starter cut off when the engine has started, so don't worry your car will over crank.

What lock / alarm also useless lah if someone really want to steal your car. They would have bring a tow truck and tow your car away. What can you do? With chain locked to the wheel? They bring a chain cutter and will cut your chain in no time.  tongue.gif

Should have gotten a mechanical shift lock, making them unable to shift out from P.
Brake lock? Drive slowly and make full use of handbrake lorrr  tongue.gif
Jammer will absorb all the nearby frequency, making them unable to communicate.
Small metal tag? That one nothing to do with the code leh... All i need is place your key on a receiver for 3 sec and i will get your transponder code, that time baru gg.com.my
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So if, and if the thief knows how to operate the windscreen pad while you're in the car also you gg.com.my. Imagine in a traffic jam suddenly a bike come next to you, Tap Tap Revenge on your windscreen, open your door & hijack your car. Scary wei shocking.gif

That's why I said, if someone really wants to steal your car, there's nothing that can be done to prevent it. Just see how easily DBKL can tow your car away & you'll understand. They only have to tow your car somewhere else to carry out the unlocking job.

Chainsaw? High tensile chains lah. Need some time to cut brows.gif But upon seeing your car kena chain down like that with all the crazy locks in your car, you think they'll still be motivated to steal it ah? laugh.gif Unless it's a Bugatti Veyron lah laugh.gif Can add 4 clamps, each clamp on each tyre of your car too if you want.. Then double pad lock it with Solex.. laugh.gif
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post Jun 27 2011, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(victor87 @ Jun 27 2011, 02:41 PM)
The entry pad wont work with engine started.  tongue.gif
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Hmm.. Then when u're in the car with ur engine off leh? Say u just walk out of a shopping mall, into ur car.. Then u lock the doors cos talking on the phone..


Added on June 27, 2011, 2:48 pm
QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Jun 27 2011, 02:46 PM)
That's where your Maggi siggy came from...lol....... laugh.gif
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What to do. Some people too sensitive ma, as if I'm talking bout his kids or what.


Added on June 27, 2011, 2:50 pm
QUOTE(victor87 @ Jun 27 2011, 02:39 PM)
When you're already near the car, the door itself has already unlock. So no need to ask your chick to press press on the windscreen. Only when they want to operate the boot when you're already sitting in the car and they want to operate through the digital pad.

Try imagine if you're carrying a whole load of shopping bags for your chick, while your chick hand is empty (being a gentleman ma). So you want to ask your chick to open the trunk for you since your hand is full of their stuff, you can ask the chick to press on B Enter, there goes your boot unlocked. And sometimes chick hates hot weather, at the same time she can start the car first while waiting for you to load your stuff.

And yup, i gotta agree it's a cool factor also lah.
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Eh that means it's something that shouldn't be installed in a lady's car lah..

But I dun understand.. U said that once the engine is started the doors will lock itself.. Means ur chick can lock you out of your car also lah.. laugh.gif And if u're already in the car, pulling the trunk release lever is definitely more convenient than asking them to come press press on the screen right? rclxub.gif

My iswara still the best. No thief will ever think of stealing that piece of junk sweat.gif I got dog bites on my car fender as thief deterrent brows.gif

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post Jun 27 2011, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ Jun 27 2011, 02:51 PM)
ya,finally bec to msia ady brows.gif the harmee goreng at my house lo..but i'm only free on next sat lo sweat.gif
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Zzz... I hungry liao leh.. Harmee boss rich already duwan do business liao ka? rclxub.gif
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post Jun 27 2011, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ Jun 27 2011, 02:54 PM)
i wan do business lo..but tis week i need go bec johor and onli free on next sat..is it ok??
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U mean this coming Sat u goin back johor? Next saturday ka.. Hmm.. Can gua..
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post Jun 27 2011, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(victor87 @ Jun 27 2011, 02:57 PM)
That's one of the flaw too. hailat.com.my

Then you will have to cancel the function with the existent of remote controller, but then it will kill the "convenient" for the passenger and the keypad will act as a programmer only lor..
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Ya lo ya lo.. doh.gif

QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Jun 27 2011, 02:57 PM)
i rater ask my chick to put her hand in to my pocket to grap the car key .... drool.gif ...that will more cool and shock wright.... laugh.gif
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SO TRUE!! brows.gif I did that the other day with that chick.. XD Ambik kesempatan cos I'm carrying her shopping bags.. Mwahahahahah... XD

Then imagine this..
Grab grab then tergrab one long cylinder thing brows.gif Then chick ask, eh what's that?

"Oh no lah, that's my IMMOBILISER ma..." laugh.gif

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post Jun 27 2011, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Jun 27 2011, 03:02 PM)
eh dont' say like that my courleague Nissan 120Y got steel at LRT station.
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HAHAHAHAH... That's because that nissan probably had no security system whatsoever ma.. Mine still got alarm.. But then ah, I tell u.. If u've seen my car IRL I think u'd rather steal that 120Y than my iswara if they're both parked side by side doh.gif
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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jun 27 2011, 03:04 PM)
Sure or not? More like your STARTER.  laugh.gif
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laugh.gif Like toyota cars mah.. Got 1 long cylinder thing to deactivate alarm wan.. brows.gif

QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Jun 27 2011, 03:04 PM)
halo... dun hiding... faster come out...  notworthy.gif
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ph34r.gif Not me ah.. Maybe arfaie?
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post Jun 27 2011, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Jun 27 2011, 03:06 PM)
Geoduck immobiliser  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(jackyap84 @ Jun 27 2011, 03:06 PM)
haha... for the person we r refer to... dun hiding...  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Jun 27 2011, 03:10 PM)
not me either, i wrap the steel aircond pipe only  tongue.gif not the power steering pipe.
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ph34r.gif Can try wrap ur p/s pipe also.. See if it works..
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post Jun 27 2011, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(victor87 @ Jun 27 2011, 03:52 PM)
Hey, you guys was talking about the power steering knocking issue??

Where did you guys file a claim? File a claim in CoSE, but they are acting stupid.
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Be firm & really mad with them, then they'll take u seriously. ph34r.gif
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post Jun 27 2011, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(ngeo88 @ Jun 27 2011, 05:59 PM)
are you sure it was the sound from the hose assembly ? because it was already change to rubber nomether how hard it shake it will not generate the sound, or the first time they change are not complete set. I remember i saw some member here their srevice report item change are lesser item. Or the hose assembly bracket not tighten enough.
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Yea it's the hose. I drove my PE back to CoSE that time they just 'tighten' that thing, the noise still there.

QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Jun 27 2011, 06:06 PM)
No need so mafan lah.. lock this lock that.. I straight take out the starter motor from the car.. kautim loh.. How they jumpstart, hot wire blah blah blah also cant start.. The starter motor very small one only mah..
The thief also wondering mb there is a catch y u left ur windows down.. haha..
Jual besi buruk mah.. haha..
although its a 50k car, thats the best i can afford for now.. If dont have ferrari doesnt means u dont need to take care mah.. Without this 50k car i wont even be able to have a job.. But when i have a 2mil car definitely i have another spare car to go around if the ferrari diec0ck mah.. The inconvenience caused by the loss of the car, getting insurance to pay etc etc is horrible.
Oic.. actually for campro engines.. It take quite some time to crank.. But after my friend changed to a new bigger battery the car seems very much easier to start.. the ori battery is DIN45R.. the new one is DIN55R.. Higher amperes one..
actually its a good idea to hae both keypads and remote.. If ur mother in law or mom or some other guys were to Bfollow ur car, u can ask them to use the keypad, u get to brag about ur cool alarm system too!! But if its ur gf, u tell her to rummage through ur pockets lah. XD
Me skudai..
No leh.. If u go full throttle against a Myvi for 0-100 u will lose.. I also very light foot all the time.. I change gear around 2.5k-2.8k everytime..
But ur PE aircon coldness > than ur parents car also right?
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I'm sure when ur life is lost u cannot afford another one smile.gif Be careful lah nowadays.. What kind of shit also can happen wan..

QUOTE(phat_mcjack @ Jun 27 2011, 06:32 PM)
i just langgar a kancil cry.gif
from fender to passenger side door  abit masuk inside already cry.gif
wat 2 do? cry.gif
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Wah i saw the video. Quite teruk leh. Need to repaint.
RM450 quite ok lah if the repainting includes the bumper as well and the knocking.

QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Jun 27 2011, 07:39 PM)
Fark.. My centre aircon vent housing damaged terribly.. cry.gif
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what happened?
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Jun 27 2011, 08:14 PM)
DIY fail loh.. I trying to put back the aircon vent.. Die die also dont want to go in.. I unleashed my RAGE power up.. tumbuk both vents in.. Now the side got big gash ady.. Nvm lah.. Cover with carbon fibre ady kautim.  biggrin.gif
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Which side? centre air cond vent?
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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Jun 27 2011, 08:17 PM)
Yeap.
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What u tryin to do la macha... rclxub.gif So how's ur HU now? Removing HU no nid to remove air cond vent wan leh.. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(vccy @ Jun 27 2011, 08:25 PM)
Maybe he is putting a bigger HU?  brows.gif
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Bigger HU until need to take out aircond? shocking.gif

QUOTE(phat_mcjack @ Jun 27 2011, 08:52 PM)
mmm...where 2 find 1 r?
cheap isit?i ask normal ship oni....not sure d workmanship yet...
scare ltr they do $hit job ask dat much money...
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Ok lah.. RM 450.. Not so bad.

QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Jun 27 2011, 08:57 PM)
see ur video, better dont DIY, u dont have skill, just let 10year's old experience people do their job. RM450 consider ok lar,
Mine last time also like this, bang by car all the way, 2 panel door kemik downside. Ketuk+repaint RM340 including send me to home after i send my car  laugh.gif
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LOL.. Dont sound so bad la.. Say he no skill then ask a 10 Year old to do the job.. XD
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QUOTE(jasonloh7906 @ Jun 27 2011, 09:20 PM)
really will lose myvi oh?? maybe i dont really drag...hahahaha~~nvm lor~~100-180 i can chase back gua??
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Can.. Of course can.. brows.gif

QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ Jun 27 2011, 09:20 PM)
Thats the spirit!!  biggrin.gif  Rmb to give muka kesian face.. Sure can work.. haha..
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Added on June 27, 2011, 9:22 pm
According to my butt dyno the new Myvi i dont think we will lose lah.. Just neck to neck.. If our PE light mod a bit sure can tapau new myvi..
But the old one pickup very fast.. We would lose from 0-100.. Until reach 120kmh like that only we can overtake the myvi from the back..
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Also through corners.. Don't forget that.. icon_idea.gif

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