So when will the party start?
Hacker group to attack Malaysia Govt website, Operation Malaysia News
Hacker group to attack Malaysia Govt website, Operation Malaysia News
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Jun 14 2011, 11:15 AM
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So when will the party start?
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Jun 14 2011, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(sadako-chan @ Jun 14 2011, 12:15 PM) So if you have one single pirate item in your possession, that is the license to pirate everything else? Nice logic, no wonder thieves will be thieves. IMHO, don't bother arguing with pirates. As the saying goes "Nak seribu daya, tak nak seribu dalih", Hunger for iPhone 4, no prob. Excuses for pirating, 300 page is nowhere near enough to list out why merompak is OK.I used to live on pirated software because I was a student then, software was around RM-250-300ish (this was the early 90s), and I don't earn money. Now, with OSS and alternatives, why still bother? Ubuntu is one of the more epic examples out there. Should really thanked the ad-based software development model for making available cheap to free alternatives. And since I earn my own money I also bought 3-4 copies of original windows. The downside? I drive an almost 20 year old car it's cheaper. 40,000K cheaper than a new camry/accord in fact. And that's the money that I save to buy my flatscreen, my software and my music. As for music, ever since I can buy original itunes track at USD0.99.. why the heck not? it's not like the old days where the only option is CD/LP/LD/DVD which were dictated by our govt taxation rate. I don't listen to the entire album anyway, so the single song purchase option was what I was waiting for. As for piracy of movies/TV series, I find it a bit of a non-issue, as most homes now have astro, and most of the shows being downloaded are going to be shown on astro anyway, since astro is so slow when it comes to airing current episodes. Such as House MD, CSI etc. etc. And the bulk of it are college students, who have Astro at home, but not at their dorms/college apartments. I just love those reasons btw, if a robber robs a home, he should rob EVERY home there is. |
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Jun 14 2011, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(sadako-chan @ Jun 14 2011, 12:43 PM) Correctomundo, but then again, original software was expensive back in the day. Anyone still remembers the retail price for a MS Dos 5.0/6.22 retail pack? Or does anyone remember how much they paid for NCSA Mosaic/Netscape back then? Actually, you can't show off original license. However, I also realise that most Malaysians rather pay 500K+ for house and 160K for car than buy everything original software, since showing off the original software licence agreement is NOT AS COOL as showing off a pair Bvlgari pants / a 200K renovation / 160+K car / cool gadgets. (even if the said gadget is jailbroken and full of pirated apps.. hey, in some circles, it's a badge of l337ness) - Note: go lepak at mamak kopitiam/warungs, there's sure to be a young teen group toting latest gadgets and showing off to their friends. No one wants to bring those boxes just to show off. So uncool |
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Jun 14 2011, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jun 14 2011, 12:53 PM) AF = shit show. There is something missing; MONEY. For the equivalent amount of product used, there's an equivalent amount of money for the owner. But, (example) there's 100 people using although only 50 items worth of money in their account. Another thing is, when you purchased something, you buy a license for usage. If you're using an item without the permission/license, what does that make you? Awesome?Gerak khas = vomit show. if no good content, we go pirate them back and bring to malaysia! wan eat my poo poo? If a robber robs your home, your stuff will be MISSING When a pirate "robs" your content, your stuff will still BE THERE. so whats missing? How can it be robbing if nothing has been missing? Anyway the term is not important. I used 'rompak' just because the Malay translated of piracy is 'Cetak Rompak'. What is important is it is illegal. What's the point of arguing if it is already stated by law as illegal? |
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Jun 14 2011, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Jun 14 2011, 01:13 PM) kerana nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga those file hosters are also used by people who wants to have an online storage, similar to icloud etc to store their documents, files etc that's why some people protests cause their important files are being blocked by the government because of piracy, cause that's the government reasoning behind all this fiasco so at the end of the day, this is not mainly about piracy, although i do agree most of the contents are illegal-it's about internet censorship, which has been said is violating human rights you cannot control the internet, and the things people upload to the net everyday, it's their right as a user of internet but if one user was found to be sharing illegal file, he or she must be reported, provided that there's a solid proof he or she downloaded or uploaded the said illegal file, that's the only sensible thing to do, without hurting the masses QUOTE(happy4ever @ Jun 14 2011, 01:13 PM) False logic Since you are insisting on comparing with physical product with digital ones, let me give an example of a car. You buy a car, go ahead. Do what you want. Buy an Inspira change it to Lancer. You own it so yes, you can do anything to it. But is it really ANYTHING? Let say I like the MIVEC engine. So can I use the design on my car without paying Mitsu the license/royalty? Can they sue you? Yes they can, because while you own the physical stuff, they still do own the design patents. Same as buying software.When i purchase a chair. I own it. I can do whatevr i want with it. I can share it with whomever I want with it. And if the chair breaks and hurt me, i can sue for damages. Now apply that for software/digital content. Cant apply, does it? Law is man made. paid for by big software houses and producers. So cetak, jangan tak cetak. However, as I said before, it doesn't matter what the argument is, is it legal or illegal? Answer that question. |
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Jun 14 2011, 01:28 PM
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Jun 14 2011, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Jun 14 2011, 01:36 PM) so why not track those that abuse the websites then? Good question. Why haven't they? Now before I begin saying anything, I wish not to repeat a history of argument I made a few days back where one is barking and another is meowing. All my earlier post are largely on illegal act of piracy itself, NOT the act of SKMM to ban those websites.so you punish the file hosters because "most" of their contents are illegal, great I have made another post in another thread on why they resort to such methods (since that is your argument). My answer is simple, lazy arses. They're taking the easy way out assuming after complaints by TM since their customers are hogging bandwidth for illegal usage. So with the mask of act against piracy, they're blocking such websites with very little intention to actually combat piracy. I for one am more happy if they go and sue each pirates. IIRC there was a case of someone being sued for USD$2000 for every single mp3 he download. Boy now that is awesome. QUOTE(maxpudding @ Jun 14 2011, 01:36 PM) oh boi you don't read that much, do you? Some have made complaints to MCMC due to their interrupted works done due to the blockage, in the early hours of the block, a few legal users complaint they can't send their notes to other researchers overseas due to that...so they made a complaint, albeit their numbers are few, their complaint still valid, no? I do and my sympathies to these people. Although you don't seem to read either. They are valid, sure. But my point is padan muka towards the pirates. Not towards the one with legal usage. Although one funny things is, whenever this kind of argument pops up, they will ALWAYS use these poor people for their own greedy self. I'm not talking about you per se, but there are a few people quoting these people just to worm off that they want a way out so they can continue pirating. Sad really using other people misfortune for their own advantage. Kinda like torrent and linux distro. I mean, how many people even torrent linux distro? And yet it never fails to be mentioned. I myself get it from direct download as quite a few distro provides direct downloads. file hosters = legal abusing file hosters by uploading copyrighted materials = illegal QUOTE(maxpudding @ Jun 14 2011, 01:36 PM) ROFL speaking like a true deviant Do you need to be a saint to say to another human being to not conduct such illegal activity?like i said before, I do not condone piracy am I talking to morons here? nak discuss pun susah sebab banyak betul clairvoyant kat dalam forum ni can detect who's a saint and who's not |
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Jun 14 2011, 07:56 PM
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Jun 14 2011, 09:22 PM
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Jun 14 2011, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE(herrkolisch @ Jun 14 2011, 11:01 PM) what i don't understand is how many of you who are happy that the government will have another good excuse to spend our money. think bijan and gang will care? they're probably LOL-ing wondering what to spend the profits on. hack websites that are useful to malaysians has no point. better hack their propaganda sites, campaign sites, not those that will burden other people. This. I've been saying this a few times. If they bring down Malaysian governments website, it will the govt all the more reason to spend MORE money uselessly. 'Yo my kroni, here RM100mil for Anonymous counter-measure'. All thanks to the supporters here.QUOTE(my_username @ Jun 14 2011, 11:05 PM) anonymous will not HACK Aren't they already (farking idiot that is by what I see most /k/ portray them)? They'll spend on money on every chance they get, so why should you give them more reason to do so?its only ddos if government want to justify spending millions to stop ddos, it will make them look like farking idiots ... ( they already making a mockery of our country anyway ) |
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Jun 15 2011, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(FinalDK @ Jun 15 2011, 11:54 AM) If you let government do what they like, what's the point of getting fast access internet speed when there's no freedom of using it?? If you want to ban piracy, the world should do it, not the government. To stop is a different story, one's self must have the intention of stopping. There's hardly any original software around to get anyway. Yeah, maybe Windows CD, a few antivirus, but how about other softwares?? Maybe there is but I don't see them out in the market honestly be told. And the only reason we turn to piracy is cause the original software is too expensive. If a original DVD were to cost like RM10-RM20 (movies), surely a lot will go for it. To countries like USA having around that price, they got the choice to buy them. I'm not talking about currency exchange. Their hotdog is USD2 and ours is RM2, different lifestyle they are having. Their consoles are USD 100, ours is RM300. Now that's a difference. This is the most screwed up excuse ever. What software do you actually use on a daily that is not sold on store shelves? Most software is not sold in store shelves anyway. Its all digital purchase/downloads. And don't tell me you do not have the means to buy online as these days there quite a few banks offering debit cards, all you need is a saving account or maybe none for some cards. If security is your concern, make a new card with only the necessary amount for purchase. If you think its a hassle, its just an excuse.Now, price difference. As we all know our car are heavily taxed, paying 300% for each car. But do you see anyone backing up from it? Some does and buy Proton but does everyone? No and they're not exactly rich either, just enough to pay the loans. They still buy at those exorbitant prices. But when games or software we are paying at the actual price, for some reason currency exchange plays a role. Not to mention only a few hundred difference compared to the few tens of thousands of a car. And what about those iphones, ipads, etc2? It costs us RM1500-RM2500 for an iPhone, and yet a lot of people still uses it despite the Americans are paying USD$649 (at maximum retail price). See the hypocrisy here? |
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Jun 15 2011, 09:42 PM
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Non-govt also being attacked?
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