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TSblueworm
post Jun 12 2011, 08:23 PM, updated 15y ago

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Hi guys! Just wanna ask n share some experience on my vios 05.
Remember few month bck around March, after like normal day driving to office, after finnish work when i plan to go home, i was unable to start my car, i was shock, coz everythings seems ok, fuel still half tank, no warning light appears on my meter panel prev. So i call up my foreman, he cm n chk, he also hv no idea about it, so he just reset the ecu by unplug the batt connector for 5 mins, then everythings works fine bck, he got mention mayb my batt quite old dy need to be replaced, so on tat day itself i straight away go change it and i assume tat is the batt problem.
So here comes today after for 3-4 month, this problems occurs again, i was unable to start my car, i try did wat the prev foreman do and everythings works fine bck.
I really curious about tis matter, does anybody face tis kind of problem...?? Or do u guys hv any solution or ideas to share about it.....
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post Jun 12 2011, 09:35 PM

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Hello blueworm, I am assuming you are trying to start your car with gear mode = P (park). This is a very common problem for Toyota VIOS 05/06 model. This was what happened to me, I need to push the gearbox from the P position and makes sure it touches the top of the gear. You got what I mean? Just makes sure the gear is in P mode and push it abit up (12 o'clock). There is a connection between the gearbox and the immobilizer, when we try to start our car, sometimes we are not able to because of this problem.


Added on June 12, 2011, 9:37 pmHope this helps, please try it and inform us the outcome.

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post Jun 12 2011, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Jun 12 2011, 09:35 PM)
Hello blueworm, I am assuming you are trying to start your car with gear mode = P (park). This is a very common problem for Toyota VIOS 05/06 model. This was what happened to me, I need to push the gearbox from the P position and makes sure it touches the top of the gear. You got what I mean? Just makes sure the gear is in P mode and push it abit up (12 o'clock). There is a connection between the gearbox and the immobilizer, when we try to start our car, sometimes we are not able to because of this problem.


Added on June 12, 2011, 9:37 pmHope this helps, please try it and inform us the outcome.
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Yes, i always in P mode, but i nvr notice and knwon about tis method.
But hw come after i unplug the batt connecter(means reset ecu) then everythings works fine bck..??
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post Jun 12 2011, 09:50 PM

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There is a sensor that signals the ECU if the correct gear is in place. If car is not in P, it won't start. Probably the sensor is dirty or faulty.
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post Jun 12 2011, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(blueworm @ Jun 12 2011, 09:48 PM)
Yes, i always in P mode, but i nvr notice and knwon about tis method.
But hw come after i unplug the batt connecter(means reset ecu) then everythings works fine bck..??
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It's not recommended to reset your car settings by plugging out the battery connector. Highly not recommended! Try the way I told... and see if it works.

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post Jun 12 2011, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Jun 12 2011, 09:52 PM)
It's not recommended to reset your car settings by plugging out the battery connector. Highly not recommended! Try the way I told... and see if it works.

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Yes, i knw is not good to reset the ecu, but at tat moment, i just need try ways to start up my car, if not it gonna spend me $$ to call sum1 come. Tats y after today incident, i looking for ideas n solution for my cars by posting at forums. biggrin.gif
Anyway, i m glad to hear from ur experience, tis is the 2nd time i face the problem for many months bck, hopefully it won't happen again, if yes i'll try ur method..... icon_rolleyes.gif
Very thanks...... notworthy.gif

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post Jun 12 2011, 10:12 PM

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Why want to worry on ECU settings? As far as I know, newer Toyota ECU do have the abilities to learn.....
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post Jun 13 2011, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(kyheng @ Jun 12 2011, 10:12 PM)
Why want to worry on ECU settings? As far as I know, newer Toyota ECU do have the abilities to learn.....
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So wat u mean is safe to reset the ECU setting by unplug the batt connector...?? hmm.gif
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post Jun 13 2011, 09:48 AM

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No need, just unplug the fuse to the ECU are good enough.....
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post Jun 13 2011, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(kyheng @ Jun 13 2011, 09:48 AM)
No need, just unplug the fuse to the ECU are good enough.....
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Where is the fuse located...??
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post Jun 14 2011, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(kyheng @ Jun 13 2011, 09:48 AM)
No need, just unplug the fuse to the ECU are good enough.....
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Who said that If unplug the ECU fuse would 100% disconnect the power supply to ECU ?
Some Vehicle , Have a Few positive wire connect to ECU. and it does not ONLY go through ecu fuse.
and also , there's a Backup power supply connect to ECU to keep the settings / memory / error code in ECU
and also , this Power supply does not go through ECU fuse .
it goes through other fuse like MAIN Fuse etc.
So , in return , Disconnect ECU WOULD Not reset the ecu. ONLY Unplug ECU socket , or DISCONNECT battery would helps .

But , Be aware of immobiliser car. Battery disconnection would reset and change the immo code. and den u hav to go back toyota to Make new set immo + key. Price ? maybe 1k .

my suggestion : go to the workshop who hav MAchine to check ur engine code .
U hav engine code right now ?
if yes , can check it out easily
if no , the machine can Check "historical engine code "

i hav my own machine called : Launch X431. can check any codes u wanted .
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post Jun 14 2011, 09:30 PM

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Dun hv n not sure about engine code.....
So far i car hv unplug the batt connector twice(since the inccident occur), but alarm still working perfectly(thank god n touch wood), hopefully doesn't happen again.

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post Jun 15 2011, 12:26 AM

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is it a cobra alarm problem? is ur immo light blink when u trying to start?
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post Jun 15 2011, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(rambolee @ Jun 15 2011, 12:26 AM)
is it a cobra alarm problem? is ur immo light blink when u trying to start?
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No idea izzit the cobra alarm problem or not, but i hv disarm b4 start my car, no blinking on the red light.
1 of my acc fren told me, it might be the alarm problem also, since is electronic thing we also duno until when can it be last rite.
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post Jun 16 2011, 12:05 AM

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i am sorry , i dont mean Alarm
i mean Immobiliser , that kept inside ur key
urs vios is wad year ?
first batch vios dun hav
2nd latest batch MACAM got immo
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post Jun 16 2011, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(szeeonn @ Jun 16 2011, 12:05 AM)
i am sorry , i dont mean Alarm
i mean Immobiliser , that kept inside ur key
urs vios is wad year ?
first batch vios dun hav
2nd latest batch MACAM got immo
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Mine 2005 1st gen vios, got car key alarm+disarm pen(tis is for immo rite).....
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post Jun 17 2011, 11:53 PM

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the disarm pen is Belong to cobra company , does Not consider as immobiliser

anyway , check engine code
i beloeve some sensor running out

suspect Cam / Crank timing sensors
TSblueworm
post Jun 18 2011, 01:06 AM

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Hw to chk engine code....??
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post Jun 20 2011, 10:35 PM

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use a computer of coz
but since u r user , u wont udnerstand what i mean

send to those workshop that hav engine diagnostic

 

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