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 v7.0 The OFFICIAL 3G/5G Honda City 2011 thread, Theres more to the city than meets the i

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shunryu
post Jun 30 2011, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(kons @ Jun 30 2011, 01:37 PM)
I don't know what is the industry rate, I went to the shop nearest to my house, they charged me rm 70 to fix it back.
Bengkok in the inside after run into really deep pothole.
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lol if u fix at random tyre shop outside they just hit with a hammer...
do u think that will solve the bend and be properly in shape? hmm i wonder... unsure.gif
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post Jul 2 2011, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Tr1Angel @ Jul 2 2011, 01:49 PM)
Hello peeps  smile.gif . I'm currently driving NHC 09 , just done 30,000 km service 1 month ago. Few days ago, I had this problem , the gear ratio seems like got some problem and not so smooth gear change. When the first gear 1st gear turn to the 2nd gear it got slightly jerky as usual , but from 2nd gear to 4th gear after gear changing , the RPM previously is at 1.9k but nw it will drop till 1.5k (didnt release the accelerate pedal) which cause the power loss , I have to accelerate more in order to change to next gear at 2.1-2.2k , any 1 experience this before? Any 1 can enlighten me bout this? Thank you.
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This is not a problem bro, it's actually based on how u step the accelerator pedal...

usually from 1st gear it requires more pedal force to get it into 2nd gear smoothly without lag, don't be afraid to step the pedal like there's a mouse behind it.. Most ppl would feather the pedal and accelerate slowly the gear will engaged into 2nd gear much earlier in lower rpm causing the car to lug and hence power loss (imagine u shift into a higher gear early at low rpm on a manual transmission.. engine would take more stress, which is the same effect)

From 3rd gear onwards the gear ratio are much higher (taller gear) thus the rpm would drop further hence the power loss would be greater felt...

This is based on my personal experience, I believe u'd need time to get used to the car behavior
So go ahead, step that pedal more! (it's better to build up to cruising speed e.g 80km/h through faster acceleration than to lug the gears slowly to crusing speed which would use up more fuel)
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post Jul 2 2011, 04:16 PM

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I suggest u have it checkup the next time u go service ur car

Also:
Request for ATF transmission fluid change
Gearbox need maintainence as much as the engine as well cause they are equally important

Otherwise, the simplest way to reset the ecu would be to unplug the battery for about 3 minutes then replug again

This post has been edited by shunryu: Jul 2 2011, 04:21 PM
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post Jul 5 2011, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(Tr1Angel @ Jul 5 2011, 03:13 PM)
Hey , they reset the ECU and remove some gear oil out, right now my car felt lighter and more eager to push when changing gear, so I guess its is fix ..but weird le actually they cant diagnose out any faulty on my car , and they insist that my gearbox is in a very good condition.. blush.gif
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your gearbox oil is dirty that's all
remember to always schedule your car for service
gearbox is just as important as your engine
so an early change of transmission fluid wouldn't hurt much
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post Jul 12 2011, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(DJSoo @ Jul 12 2011, 12:08 PM)
I just change my city tyre to CONTIPREMIUMCONTACT 2 .. No longer bumpy and working quiet and nice ..  thumbup.gif
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that is the OEM tyres for new batch NHC... dry grip still okay but not so good in the wet wink.gif
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post Jul 12 2011, 03:20 PM

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Definitely not a quiet tyre...

But due to bad grip offered by the Goodyears and as far as cost is concerned, Honda chosen ContinentalPremiumContact 2 as stock OEM tyres..

I'm still waiting for them to wear off, these tyres sure can last long but grip / noise really not up to the standard sad.gif

Anybody have changed their tyres and use 195/50/R16? (not going to change the E spec rim because it is Enkei afterall) Please suggest some tyre choices for this size icon_question.gif
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post Jul 13 2011, 03:49 PM

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It's always better to warm up the car for every morning / cold start for about 5 minutes no matter what car you drive.. If you love the car / want the car to last long
Honda is more sensitive towards this warm up procedure, which is why the new City has a blue temperature icon to signify the engine is cold and requires warm up before the go
Other model like Civic and Accord has the complete temperature gauge but it is still more advisible to wait for the gauge to rise to optimum temperature level before taking off the car
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post Jul 16 2011, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(kons @ Jul 16 2011, 10:14 AM)
yesterday just rev til 5.9k while overtaking on a upwards slope.
Still quite a distance from the redline.

Anyone rev until redline here before?
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use S mode can reach 7k rpm
but dont do it too often 6.5k enough hehehe tongue.gif
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post Jul 16 2011, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_gsc @ Jul 16 2011, 12:09 PM)
For our city, 7K is pushing the limits. 6.5K for shift is enough. You go to 7k and you miss shift, you engine will jerk in S mode, hurts the engine.
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I find it quite easy to rev to 7k though, and of course i do it only when launching off the green light / overtaking brows.gif
Oh and by the way, the transmission is programmed to avoid accidental mis-shift
So if you happen to press "downshift" at high rpm it wouldn't let you
No harm done, rest assured icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 18 2011, 08:40 AM

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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Jul 16 2011, 03:02 PM)
think it will automatically goes back to 1 when u comes to a dead stop rite?
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That is another nice feature such that when you come to a traffic stop you won't have to downshift yourself to gear 1
but it is still possible to downshift and engage 'engine breaking' to further help braking the car into a complete stop.

QUOTE(kons @ Jul 16 2011, 09:46 PM)
Hmm. Is there such protection?
I tried to shift to 1st gear when I'm still running at around 30km/h to 40km/h, it still downshift successfully.
The car just jerk to almost a halt and the car behind almost knocked into my car because there is no brake light.
But I'm tried upshift to 4th gear when I'm running at 40km/h, it will not allow though.


Yes, haven't you read your manual?
it CAN be downshift as long as the engine rpm doesn't reach the redline, so in your case you downshifted around 30km/h to 40km/h which should be around 6k+ rpm in 1st gear which is still in safe zone.. But, if you downshift and the ecu realised that particular downshift will touch the redline, it wouldn't let you smile.gif

The jerk you experienced is called 'engine braking', which refers to the braking effect caused by throttle position-induced vacuum in petrol engines. While some of the braking force is due to friction in the drive train, this is negligible compared to the effect from vacuum. When the throttle is lifted/closed, the air flow to the intake manifold is greatly restricted. The work the engine has to do against this partial-vacuum is what provides the braking effect.

Engine braking passively reduces wear on brakes and helps a driver maintain control of the vehicle. Active use of engine braking (shifting into a lower gear) is advantageous when it is necessary to control speed while driving down very steep and long slopes. It should be applied before regular disk or drum brakes have been used, leaving the brakes available to make emergency stops. The desired speed is maintained by using engine braking to counteract the gravitational acceleration. It also helps the vehicle to slow down faster when used along with brakes.
For more information, head to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_braking icon_idea.gif

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post Jul 18 2011, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(kons @ Jul 18 2011, 12:58 PM)
i am just asking about if there is a protection for mis-shift, i did not ask about why it jerks.

more soundproofing for my nhc!
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That was to make clear so everybody could understand.

Firstly, please refer to your Honda Manual on page 205 and 207.
I help extract one important point for you :

While driving in S mode,
"You cannot downshift with the paddle shifter before the engine speed reaches the UPPER limit of the LOWER gear. If you try to do this, the gear position indicator will flash the number of the lower gear several times, then the indicator will display the higher gear number." (This is to protect the engine from over-revving and thus eliminates the risk of mis-shift)

It's clear that this feature itself serve as a protection purpose, which means you can NEVER mis-shift in a NHC.

"Also, you cannot upshift with the paddle shifter before the engine speed reaches the LOWER limit of the HIGHER gear." (This is for those who don't know why they couldn't upshift to higher gear at low rpm/speed)


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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Jul 18 2011, 12:15 PM)
thumbup.gif does engine braking causes you to have higher fc?
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Engine braking is a generally accepted practice and can help save wear on friction brakes. It's even used in some motor sports to reduce the risk of the friction brakes overheating. Additionally, most modern engines don't use any fuel while engine braking which helps reduce fuel consumption. nod.gif

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post Jul 19 2011, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_gsc @ Jul 17 2011, 11:01 AM)
RM318 @ Welldone Audio Sg Besi.

DIY the Cold air intake pipe. Since I removed the original cold air intake panel on the hood.
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Nice mod u've got there
Bro calvin, could you take a picture of your cold air duct setup?
Where is the duct opening located at? hmm.gif
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post Jul 20 2011, 08:50 AM

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Speedoru
I think stick with 3M tape would be the most sensible solution because you could take it out / install other design of spoilers when you see fit smile.gif
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post Jul 20 2011, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Jul 20 2011, 12:27 PM)
no need to read all just go through the manual and select things that is important to know. Skip basic things that you already know. I did flip through the manual once. Sometimes there are things there you might not know existed. It's good to go through manuals whenever you buy something new.
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The manual is there for a reason
and it helps you to further know your vehicle from top to bottom and inside-out nod.gif
for a very interesting fact, i found out that our NHC car width is actually 1715mm compared to india /philipines model which is 1695mm..
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post Jul 20 2011, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(LittleBear @ Jul 20 2011, 02:04 PM)
How come? We have wider NHC chassis?
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That's right
Malaysian spec NHC is only slightly wider (20mm) and ride height lower compared to other countries
No particular reason but it's a good news nonetheless smile.gif

I've sat in Ford Fiesta with 1722mm width before, although it's nowhere as spacious as the NHC's 1715mm
The only thing i could think of, is due to the differences in interior compartment design hmm.gif

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post Jul 21 2011, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(Speedoru @ Jul 20 2011, 08:45 PM)
Yea, 3M tape definitely the solution for the time being but it's floated.
Afraid that it might fall off someday, somewhere.
Falling off is one thing but if flew off in Highways will caused serious accident.
It seems that i'm unable to make it stick properly. I've tried to re-sticking(take out n applied new tapes) a few times but after sometime it floats again n gaps can be see here and there. Especially, the "H" Logo portion where it's hardly touching to the boot surface.
That's why i wanna know is there any alternative securing method beside drilling xtra holes and DS Tape or my sticking method is wrong.

Is anybody facing this problem?
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Have you tried using the 3M tape along with thinner?
Apply some thinner so it further help the adhesive of the tape to come in contact with the boot..
There is a reason why it must be 3M tape due to the fact that it has strong adhesive
I once had to use knife to ply open just because i stick wrongly shakehead.gif
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post Jul 21 2011, 09:08 AM

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Use a bit don't use too much
And it's covered by the spoiler smile.gif
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post Jul 23 2011, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(earl-ku @ Jul 23 2011, 02:51 AM)
err power to weight ratio?

i was doing 120-140 on fed hw trying to play cat and mouse with this kelisa and he happily swerve and zoom past and just went off like that ...
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Correct. Weight is the biggest factor in car performance.
Which is also the reason why most racing car have most of its weight shaved off.
But we're talking about stock cars here..

For those who wondering why Myvi could have better pickup/acceleration and could be faster than us was due to :
1) Manual transmission - a manual myvi has lower transmission loss and have more of its engine power transfer to the wheels
2) Weight - weight of a manual myvi is only 950KG, our NHC 1160KG (That's whole 210KG difference! shakehead.gif )

Both of this is limitation to our NHC, give NHC a manual transmission and 100KG off it would be a MUCH MORE fun car to drive... Although NHC has power, but the weight is restricting it from performing.
However, if the Myvi is auto, we can rape it anytime brows.gif

Nevertheless, why do we care if Kelisa / Myvi passes us? whistling.gif
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post Jul 23 2011, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(richardt3o @ Jul 23 2011, 10:42 AM)
You have a point there, shunryu. I'm just curious because I thought we always rape manual/auto myvi when it comes to near top speed run. Which 160kph IMO is already near the limit for a 1.3cc car. Well, we can conclude 2 things.

1. Modded Myvi
2. Manual Myvi

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Manual Myvi could do more than 160kmh because of the shorter gear ratio in the manual trans & having 5 gears
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One day I was driving my top speed down the highway
Then i start to chase this Vios J with 17" wheels which i highly suspect was manual
Why?
The fella car was loaded with people yet he could do 180kmh easily
I was alone, and paddle shifting all the way only managed to keep up
He pulled me about 2 car lengths apart blink.gif

How I wish there's manual trans for NHC here sad.gif
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post Jul 23 2011, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(richardt3o @ Jul 23 2011, 12:27 PM)
One of my buddy dyno his car. And there was a 20% transmission loss different.  mad.gif  mad.gif
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Yeah... It's sad case
I wonder if importing manual gearbox for NHC from thailand is possible?

If not, I can only think of improving handling now..
adjustable coilovers, Ultra Racing bars, light weight rims and wider+stickier tyres laugh.gif

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