Nice.

Doubt most of them are fans. Mostly touts looking to make a quick buck.

The discussion arose because of how scouse fans perceive us OOTs. I can empathise with them because the more we open up, the more bandwagon jumpers we'll have on-board but it is a necessary evil. You know how some people buy jerseys for the sake of being associated with something that's popular? I've seen on several occasions, people walking about in shopping malls with their jersey of choice on when the're team is playing live. Err... shouldn't you be in front of a TV? I get it, some people have other priorities in life but you can't expect to garner the same amount of respect as someone who skipped a wedding to watch the game for example.

Now we all know that we often get accused of living in the past. I think our past is what motivates us. We were once a dominant force in England and in Europe and we still reminisce. They say that because of this, our fans expect us to be contending for the title each season. Now this is where I feel fans need to practice a little common sense. Each year the media builds up our chances. We're always in the news and rightly so. The papers will publish what the readers want to read and we do have a large fan base. It is really down to a lack of common sense that fans expect us to be at the summit each season, and not our colourful past. Let's take last season as an example. You got a pocket of fans predicting a top 3 finish, expecting a miracle from Roy Hodgson and you had more pragmatic fans that saw a team in transition, predicting a top 6 finish. Now both sets of fans were exposed to the same media hype.

It's like I said in my previous post. I don't think there is ever a wrong time to talk about the past simply because it pays tribute to everyone and everything that has contributed to making LFC what we are today. I dread the day when fans no longer know who Shankly is and what Hillsborough is all about.

granted but if you and i can be disappointed with the lackluster attitude towards the team by some of our brethren, what more them? Maybe it's wrong for them to generalise but like I said, I think they are becoming a little more accommodating to OOT, at least to those who know their stuff.

Well short of both sets of fans standing on opposite sides of the fence accusing the other of being an ass, I choose to take steps towards earning respect. Someone needs to make the first move and I feel that as 'foreigners' we should.

Bye bye Anfield

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liver...icle762170.html

A necessary evil.

Nice. I might be getting my hands on a pass for lunch with Thommo tomorrow. Fingers crossed.

Where you guys parking? Will said the boys are parking at Endah Parade. That's a looooong walk man.

On match day I reckon I'll either park at Endah Parade or take the LRT but most likely the former. I heard that during the Arsenal game, people were parking in the emergency lane of KESAS wei.

Are you positive? Friend told me 30 mins but maybe you guys are brisk walkers Ok lah, Endah Parade it is. You guys meeting there @ 4pm right? I'll be about 40 mins behind you. Save me a seat in the stadium if you guys go in first wei. I'll call when I arrive.

I actually have no idea. I'm guessing 45 mins to an hr tops.

Ok lah, give me a call when you guys leave Endah Parade as I'm expecting to reach there around that time.

The LRT will be packed as well I imagine. Best to buy your return ticket when you arrive so you don't have to queue for it after the match. I'll probably park in Endah Parade early in the afternoon and lepak before walking to the stadium like aiyish. Too bad there isn't a cinema there.

Just got back from the stadium. Ended up parking in Endah Parade and walking. Took me about 15 mins.

I've not seen the team in the flesh since Anfield in 2007 and it was great to see them live again. It was a privilege to see King Kenny in the flesh and an honour to hear him address us but unfortunately, the sound system was crap. I reckon there had to be between 15,000 - 20,000 fans but it's only the training session and it is a weekday. I reckon it will be packed to the brim come Saturday evening. Anyway, Thommo and Ian Ayre kicked things off by walking around the stadium. Now, Phil Thompson is an Anfield legend I absolutely love. I miss seeing him on the touchline throwing his arms up in the air each time we scored. He is a Red through and through.



LFC TV's Claire Rourke was covering the event and each time the camera panned in the direction of the fans, they would all hold their scarves over their heads.

I was great to see how the lads trained. It was funny to see Jay Spearing celebrate after scoring against Gulasci i think it was. He looked in the direction of the fans and held his arms up much to our delight. Amongst the players I saw were Gulasci, Hansen, Jones, Insua who looked well fit, Flanno, Carra, Soto, Agger, Wilson, Kelly who looked sharp, Johnson,Wisdom, Meireles, Aquaman, Spearing, Coady, Adams, Maxi, Kuyt who was a crowd favourite, Poulsen, Cole, Carrol and N'Gog. Hmm wonder if I left anyone out.

It wasn't all good though. A friend of mine attended the Arsenal game and told me that there was absolutely no singing, not a single song! I thought it would be different with us but I was disappointed. There was a wall of noise that greeted the team when they entered the stadium and cheers each time a player's name was announced but it went downhill from there. With the exception of the Mexican wave, the crowd was pretty quiet. Thommo was commentating and he kept asking us to make some noise and to sing some songs. This is why I keep asking people to learn one or two songs at least, or a couple of chants like the Dalglish one, Campione. etc. I felt a little embarrassed when only a handful started singing in pockets. There was no coordination and no one to get them going. Reckon it's because only so few knew the lyrics. Liverpool fans are known to be loud and I dare say that it was louder in Singapore where there was at least some singing. This was an in-your-face to those who booed when Phil Thompson acknowledged that Singaporean fans were in the crowd. There was also boos when the Indonesian Reds were announced. It left me disgusted. Despite the sore feelings between our countries, surely it was time for all Liverpool fans to unite and as hosts, for us to welcome them with open arms. Shame on those of you who booed a fellow Red.

Anyway I'm hoping for a better response from our fans this Saturday. There was one rendition of YNWA that I remember and even then it was just the chorus! Please make all Malaysian Reds proud and raise the decibel levels when you go this Saturday.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jul 14 2011, 10:12 PM

Yeah I felt a little embarrassed. Don't remember Singapore fans doing the same to Malaysians when the team visited just prior to Alonso leaving. Anyway I may be meeting up with a group of Singapore fans from the EOA (East of Anfield) club tomorrow in Changkat for drinks. Hope they don't feel too sore.

My suggestion is to gather as big a group as possible. The problem is that because we all arrived at different times, we weren't all able to sit together. If we have a large enough group of fans, we can at least start YNWA as the team enters the pitch on Sat. I'll be going early for lunch along with some posters here, MyRAWK dudes, possibly the EOA guys and hopefully the boys from JB. The larger the better of course.

Oh I remember who I missed out it my list earlier - Jonjo Shelvey.

With regards to the manc, all I can say is he asked for it. Sure he's got balls but if you can appreciate the rivalry, you'd have the good sense to respect the fact that you don't piss your rivals off when it is their event. Yes it is a Liverpool training session, not a random match. What do you think would happen if one of us wore our colours at Old Trafford?

Reports estimate about 38,000 fans.

Most of the lads I know are in the green gate including myself. Trying to gather a few groups together so that our singing and chanting will be louder and hopefully more will follow suite. If the group is too small, it's hard to hear. Planning to gather MyRAWK, EOA from Singapore, Liverbird Supporters Club from JB, and the Spirit of Shankly branch here. Coordinating is going to be a pain though. Best to go really early and queue while waiting for the gates to open so that everyone can sit together.

Aye but then again the rivalry between them mancs and us runs deep. Look at the amount of abuse we get on their thread even when we aren't playing them. To be honest, I agree with the statement that there is only really the big two, and not big four because in terms of achievements, there are really only two that stand out in England.

I said it was rude because in the end, all fans should be united under one banner, the clubs - YNWA. That being said, I don't condone crowd violence. However this incident happened about 100 feet from where I was and I couldn't get a clear view. What I was told by friends who were there however that prior to that he was walking around proudly showing his jersey off to everyone. This is provocation and it says something that he wasn't beaten up. He made his way to his seat with no problem which leads me to believe that he did just what I heard. Thus I urge those who weren't there not to jump to conclusions.

Having said all that, rivalries are just that. I've attended viewing parties involving Liverpool vs. Man Utd games and nothing usually happens despite all the booze. There is no violence without provocation. Having said that, yesterday's incident was hardly violent.

Easy to adopt a holier than thou attitude but I dare say the same would have happened if it were the mancs training and a Liverpool fan started flaunting his jersey off. Wouldn't it also be the same had an Indonesian fan walked around showing off this Indonesian team jersey during a Harimau Malaya event? Stop calling the kettle black everyone.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jul 15 2011, 10:57 AM

As expected. Like I said, fans should check themselves before accusing other fans of behaving in the very same manner they would.

Anyway, official report on yesterday's training session on our official site.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news...watch-lfc-train

Stuck in office for meetings sigh.

Anyway, coverage on RAWK
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=278308.0

On the contrary, it was a Liverpool training session. The Harimau Malaya one was earlier which I attended as well.

From the perspective of a Liverpool fan, I think that everyone in a red shirt deserves the same amount of respect especially when we were given the same when we visited their country. I know Singaporean Reds and they are good lads. It wasn't about Singaporean Reds vs. Thai Reds vs. Indonesian Reds vs. Malaysian Reds. It was about all Liverpool fans going to watch the team train, the same team we all support. We can't preach about solidarity and sing YNWA when we isolate sections of fans. In the context of Harimau Malaya, should it matter if you're a fan from Terengganu or Kelantan, or should you forget your rivalry for one day to unite under 1 banner?

In terms of the guy that got picked on, I did sympathise until I heard he was goading fans in the first place. Do the crime, do the time. It would be cowardly for a crowd to beat up a guy but like I said, there was no violence.

In terms of tomorrow's match, there is no ideal situation so I can't give you an answer. You get fans who boo Liverpool players as well e.g. Poulsen. One can only hope that in general, common sense prevails but you can't expect everyone to conform to your ideals.

Ignore that hypocrite. Firstly he's an idiot to associate what happened with the team's ability to win titles. Secondly, he failed to note that the same thing happened to a Liverpool fan the last time the mancs visited. Too bad social media wasn't as active then. Again, talking without facts. Makes one look like an ass. Thing is what did that kid expect by showing his kit off, goading fans in the process? A kiss on the cheek?

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Added on July 16, 2011, 9:20 amCorrect so one must ask, why that kid? How easy people jump to conclusions. Youtube videos paint such a one sided picture. People see what they want to see.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jul 16 2011, 09:20 AM

The Indian gentleman with glasses is one of the most passionate Liverpool supporters I've seen. He was at every viewing party I organised back in the day and that's when I first met him. If a bar served only Tiger and no Carlsberg, he'd walk out! He's usually seen with a Liverpool bandana on his head, face paint and screaming his lungs out. Top fan that one.

I'm meeting them in Endah Parade @ 1pm. Most of us will be in the Green Zone 108.

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Added on July 16, 2011, 10:57 amNational keeper Syed Adney was born in Liverpool. Wonder if he'll get a chance to play today.

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Added on July 16, 2011, 10:59 amLYN's and MyRAWK's JonC writes for the Malay Mail online.

http://issuu.com/pekwan/docs/15_july_2011?...howFlipBtn=true

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jul 16 2011, 10:59 AM

Leaving for Endah Parade now. See you boys later.