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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Downing 19!

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post Jun 15 2011, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(MCQueen @ Jun 15 2011, 05:25 PM)
actually you know nothing about BootRoom and your own team.. all you get from wiki..  laugh.gif start from now on i called you MR GOOGLE!!
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I never said otherwise you dumb shit. Aside from books, where the hell do you think I read about all of this you moron? Can I call you "Ms. Dumbass who states the obvious" then.

Come back when you grow a pair of balls, if ever.

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QUOTE(chenwfng @ Jun 15 2011, 05:30 PM)
Bah... Duke, don't feed the troll. We're better than that, just ignore him.
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You're right. The more dumbasses there are around, the better it is for us. What's even dumber is I have actually stated that I do get information from the net. I like debates, I just wish the sissy would kick his intelligence dial up a few notches.


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QUOTE(MCQueen @ Jun 15 2011, 05:32 PM)
MR GOOGLE! ARE ...

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Yes I google A LOT as a matter of fact. So what's your point infant?

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QUOTE(MCQueen @ Jun 15 2011, 05:36 PM)
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Did your parents drop you on your head when you were a baby, like a year ago?


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QUOTE(redkord @ Jun 15 2011, 05:40 PM)
are liverpool still targetting bojan krkic?
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Look here for news.

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Football/...eague/Liverpool


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The RM58 and RM68 ones will be available for another couple of weeks I imagine. I reckon the only chance of getting the RM108 ones will be to go to Bkt. Jalil itself. I heard that even the RM388 ones are gone.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 16 2011, 03:44 PM)
Blue?

I taught Merseyside biggest rival is blue, using blue? seems may not a wise choice.
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Well in the beginning, we were actually one of the same. That is until John Houlding had a dispute with Everton's committee and formed Liverpool FC. We wore the blue & white kit until the early 1900's if memory serves me, before changing to our current red & white combination.
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post Jun 17 2011, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(-nana- @ Jun 16 2011, 05:09 PM)
was a good show, caught it quite sometime back. i think last year. the man who never took helm at england. btw guys, any meet up session with the team in around town ?
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When I last spoke to the organisers, they told me that meet & greet sessions were exclusive to partners. They didn't mention any public appearances. Liverpool have signed a deal with a telco and I imagine they will maximise their time spent here. I'm guessing they'll be tied up recording radio ads, or maybe even in photo/video shoots.
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I've not seen Henderson play but his report card indicates that he isn't about flair and skill, he's one of those Lucas type players who can add to the efficiency of a team. Let's not expect him to do 1000 step overs, score from 40 yards or be able to connect with 60 yard passes.
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QUOTE(gear51 @ Jun 21 2011, 01:53 PM)
LSCM recently quite popular, seems like nowadays people really can't stand their attitude anymore.

ex-lscm =D
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Is right hence the existence of splinter groups like Liverbirds Supporters Club, MyRAWK and the Malaysian branch of the SOS. Most were former LSCM members who have become disillusioned with the way the club is run.


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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 21 2011, 02:52 PM)
Can i ask why you quit?Dun worry i m not a lscm member and don't know anybod there.

If you are not comfortable sharing it here could you pm me, coz i was interested to join before this hmm.gif
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Liverpool-Su...125398687542276


You can read more about Malaysia's SOS group here http://www.facebook.com/sos.malaysia. Ask you can see from the poster, they are working closely together with the Southern Reds - Liverbird Football Club Malaysia

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 21 2011, 05:38 PM)
Ok thanks for sharing.I presumed that Duke was a staunch supporter of LSCM thats why i wasn't sure if u would be comfortable.Looks like almost everyone here is anti

lscm.
On the contrary, I'll never join them the way it's currently run as I don't believe they hold true to the values of LFC.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 22 2011, 04:09 PM)
So tell me,will u sell gerrard for a price?
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If it were based purely on sentiment, no. However making decisions based on sentiment alone isn't productive. If there were a huge offer, I'd say we need to take it seriously. The team has proven they can play without Gerrard. Now I know many started supporting Liverpool towards the late 90's/early 00's and to you, he must be Mr. Liverpool. However do note that before him, we felt the same way about players like Fowler, Rush and Dalglish. All good things come to an end. Were we not gutted when Fowler mk.1 was sold? My point is that at some point we have to move on. Do I want to push Gerrard out the door? Of course not. He's still one of the best midfielders around but given his age, we'd be foolish not to at least consider a sizable bid.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 22 2011, 05:40 PM)
If u ask me,i felt mr liverpool would have been michael owen.
Wow, he isn't even a local lad. We signed Owen from Chester and as much of an impact he's made during his time here, I never felt he was Liverpool through and through. I remember watching him skip past Roberto Ayala and one other defender before slotting the ball past Roa was it, during the World Cup in 98 and thinking, "this lad is special", but never once did I think he was on the same level as Gerrard, Fowler or Dalglish.

It's your opinion though and I accept it, though I disagree.

QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 22 2011, 05:40 PM)
But midfielders are not like that.Barnes left,who actually was a an adequate replacement?alonso masc left who exactly are their like to like replacement?


Like for like replacements are hard to find. It's what made/makes these players special. Until today, we've not found a replacement for Barnes. The best left winger since him has been in my opinion, Patrik Berger. However it can also be argued that we don't play a traditional 4-4-2 anymore and thus, it isn't imperative that we have a wide man.

You're comparing replacing strikers with midfielders but in the case of the former, you only need to replace 1 or two when there are 4-5 midfielders so of course it's harder to replace the latter. There were gaps in between strikers as well hence the signing of players like Karl Heinze Riedle, Milan Baros, Djibril Cisse, Dean Saunders, David Speedie, etc.

It was hard to imagine we'd replace the likes of Steve McMahon, Ronnie Whelan and Jan Molby and yet we did. Forget about the Souness era because he made some really bizarre signings starting with Paul Stewart. His tactics were poor and his man management was appalling. Even Ian Rush struggled to find the net when he was in charge so I'm not surprised we didn't have many quality midfielders during his time. During his time however, we say the emergence of Jamie Redknapp and Steve McManaman. When Roy Evans took over he brought in Paul Ince and Patrik Berger to further strengthen our midfield. Houllier then signed the likes of Didi Hamann and Gary McAllister before a young Steven Gerrard emerged. We all know what happened under Rafa and now under Dalglish. When Gerrard was out, Raul Meireles stepped up and was rewarded by recognition from the fans. I think our future looks bright with or without Gerrard.

QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 22 2011, 05:40 PM)
If we lose our best player then what statement does the club intend to send to the players out there.


This is assuming that we put him up for transfer which we clearly won't. However if we do receive a large offer, we could see players a couple of players in the mold of Modric, Fabregas or Sneijder signed which is a statement of intent. Having said all that, I'd like to see Stevie win his first Premiership medal with us but I won't just disregard a huge offer. Can't look at it from a fan's perspective anymore, not like in the past where Liverpool was a sacred club run by a family of fans. These days, we have to look at it from a financial aspect as well.

QUOTE(Rotuham @ Jun 22 2011, 05:40 PM)
Selling him will unsettle senior players like carra,reina,johnson and the loyal home fans will be furious.


Again, it depends on what we do with the money isn't it? If we reinvest it in 2-3 younger quality players, I don't think you'll see any mutiny amongst players. Like I said earlier, it isn't as though anyone wants him pushed out the club door.

Let's also not forget that fans are still a little sore over him for twice toying with a transfer to Chelsea. Remember the death threats? The burning of his jersey?

QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ Jun 22 2011, 07:51 PM)
+1

Carra is more steel-blooded than Stevie. Honestly he's a better leader than our current captain.
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QUOTE(demamkuning @ Jun 22 2011, 09:39 PM)
chelsea gonna sign mourinho 2.0

we won many trophies(except leagues) when mourinho was managing chelsea
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My friend and I had been speculating for awhile now. I mean it's not the first time Villas Boas has been linked with a move to England. He was one of our targets pre-Roy Hodgson. He has an amazing record with Porto. A 80% + win ratio! That's higher than any manager I can think of.


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QUOTE(account_manager @ Jun 23 2011, 11:30 AM)
19mil for Downing? better spend it on Mata..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...rpool-move.html

we should go for Hulk & Cavani..
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If Hulk goes anywhere now, it will be to Chelsea.

Thing is not about signing players purely on reputation but players who will fit into King Kenny's system. You mentioned Hulk and Cavani but why? Just because they had a good season? I haven't seen them play much so I can't comment. Dalglish had made good decisions when he was manager last and I trust his instincts. Downing may not be world class (though Mozzie may disagree), but he is adept to the Premiership and he is left footed. We don't have many of those around. With foreign players, it's always a gamble. Will they be able to adapt to the physical nature of the league? Will the get homesick? Will their families be able to settle in to life in England, especially Liverpool which is the Malaysian equivalent of say... Johor? Mascherano's wife anyone? Dalglish is making what I consider to be safe signings, mostly - players who he knows can or have already adapted.



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QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 03:16 PM)
Lots of discussion of Gerrard, but i think its just absurd to even think of selling him, he has been downright the best player at the club for the past 10 years, yes he has been injured but that doenst mean he's over the hill by any chance,

True also that it has been Stevie "ME" but who could blame him? he has been surrounded with mediocrity the length of time he has been here, each time and everytime when someone needs to step up who has that person been? Im think i would be right in saying that Steven Gerrard would not have been Steven "ME" if he was surrounded by quality players as he was progressing through the ranks. As much as people rate Carragher I think Gerrard is up there as well.

Point is to think of moving Gerrard on onto another club when he's given so much, its not even a thought, many of us question loyalty in players these days, and true enough Gerrard's head was turned to Chelsea some season's ago like many players but he stuck by the club nonetheless, who would have know where would we have been at that time if Gerrard decided to move? being ruthless is one thing being just plain daft is another. just saying
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Like some folk here, I've been privileged enough to have witnessed the start of Gerrard's career and hopefully it's end here at LFC. Don't take the discussion out of context here. No one is suggesting flogging him off. The question is what do we do if a large offer comes in? Do we issue a "hands-off" response or do we consider it? Do we think about the number of younger, quality players we can bring to the club? I want Gerrard to stay as much as the next guy but is anyone really indispensable these days? Your response is no doubt out of sentiment but in the modern football world, can we base decisions purely on sentiment? When the mancs sold out to the yanks, did we not say they were selling their souls? Well what are we doing now? Fact of the matter is that we've not made as much money as we could have because we wanted to 'protect' the club and keep it within the 'family' for as long as we could. My point is that for the long term interest of the club, we cannot make decisions based purely on sentiment when the club is now being run like a business. You reckon that John Henry will base his decisions purely on sentiment?

I'd love for Stevie to end his career here but to completely ignore offers is to me, being naive.

Before I go on, first let me reiterate that I love Stevie as much as the next guy but that doesn't mean he is untouchable. Him sulking because he was surrounded by "mediocrity" is not an excuse, not when you are club captain and represent what the club stands for. You'll Never Walk Alone? What does this mean in this context? It means to me that even if other players are not up to the task, it is your duty to inspire them and to raise their game, not turn around wishing you had better team mates. Yes, it's frustrating, heck I'd be frustrated but I'm not captain of Liverpool Football Club am I? A captain's job isn't just to bark instructions off the pitch, it's to keep the team together off it. Maybe my expectations are high but this is LFC we're talking about. He did not sign for Chelsea in the end but one cannot ignore that as much as his decision to stay was due to his love for LFC, the death threats to him and his family did contribute somewhat.

Having said all that, I still hold Stevie in high regard. I just don't think he's flawless.
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QUOTE(account_manager @ Jun 23 2011, 04:09 PM)
In my opinion, Hulk & Cavani can easily adapt to Kenny's pass and move system. Both can go deep to get the ball, both have pace (like Downing), even Hulk can play both wings and as striker, both are physically strong and decisive. Not just because they had a good season and help their respective club achieve Champions League football, won cup final, etc but i think they're fit on what our owner look for, young highly rated footballer ( i know both are not Brits tho ). homesick? i suppose not.. but maybe yes.. they know themselves.. with Suarez on our side, surely Cavani can adapt to Liverpool environment. Same goes to Hulk, with Lucas and Aurelio will make him feel at home. Mascherano is history. Well, Kenny surely know whats best for the team..

well, just my opinion..  cool2.gif
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Cool. I just haven't seen enough of them to know if they'll be a hit in the Premiership but you need to take risks sometimes. Thing about signing forwards now is that we already have Carrol and Suarez in our books. N'Gog may or may not leave but you get the feeling that a world class forward may not be content in a rotation. Not saying that either Hulk or Cavani are world class but I'm thinking whoever it is, expectations need to be managed. We don't need a bunch of primadonas demanding for first team football which is why I keep saying that a player's attitude is to be given as much consideration as his ability. Samuel Eto for example is world class but his attitude stinks.

In terms of environment I've always wondered how players from Spain settled. From a country boasting beautiful beaches filled with lovely women working on their tans, the warm sun and delightful cuisine to the gloomy overcast sky above Albert Dock. Big difference here in itself. Also let's not forget the high income tax in England either. If someone were to trade all that for Liverpool, they must really love Liverpool.
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Before I go one, can I urge everyone to stop being so sensitive? Did anyone see any "Gerrard out!" comments? We call them mancs over in the other thread sensitive when a less than popular suggestion is made, and then I see the same thing here. Once again, it makes a mockery of fans who claim that we are better and more knowledgeable. Having a different POV on the matter, doesn't make me or anyone with similar view points anti-Gerrard ffs. Having a different opinion doesn't make the said person any less passionate. Is anything I said not substantiated, or is it merely a different viewpoint?

QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
I dont think i was taking it out of context, maybe it sounded that way but it wasnt, ok for the sake of discussion, is there really going to be large offer coming in for Gerrard? 3-4 years ago yes no doubt there would have been but now? We who support the club know his true value of what he is and brings but what value does price wise will other club will see in him?


I'm no Nostradamus and I clearly did say IF a big offer came our way. We have owners like those over at City who don't care about ROI and are willing to throw huge wads of cash at you if they want something you have. Just a year ago, Real Madrid were rumoured to be preparing a $30 million pound bid for our captain so who knows? Precisely, no one which is why I said IF.

QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
I agree that we have youngsters and lots of players coming in now and the club stands in a better stead compared to previously but one should also shouldnt not forget what Gerrard has done before all this took place, yes im clouded by sentiments, sentiments for a player that has given his all for the club and thats what we need and look for in a player these days dont we? and FSG are just starting to build something special at the club, why risk the backlash of the fans by selling the club's best player when he could still on his day win a game? apart from club sentiments aside, logically speaking players these days look more towards playing with world class players compared to the badge. Suarez came because he wanted to play with Torres and Gerrard, Henderson because of Gerrard, apart from the club you'd have to admit that a player who plays at the club does also hold attraction. We Liverpool fans know how steep we are in tradition but does the players?


Logically, yes, Gerrard is a world class player but IF he were sold for a lot of money, do you reckon King Kenny will be replacing him with camel fodder?

I've lost count the amount of time I've stated that it isn't that I want Gerrard out of the club because I know what he means to the club. FFS, I've been watching him since his first game for us. It doesn't however mean that I cannot think about what life would be without him does it? You say that there will be a backlash from the fans, of course there will if the club forces him out the front door but what if a big offer comes in and he decides to leave? Will everyone then start calling him a traitor again? Suddenly he won't be Mr. Liverpool anymore? How did you feel when he wanted to leave for Chelsea?

QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
Im not contradicting but i agree no one is bigger than the club,  John Henry runs this club like a business wouldnt any question his financial acumen if he decides to sell of of the main attractions at the club, costing millions in sales of jersey's and potential pulling power for the players to come and play at the club?


Agree with the pull naturally but in terms of jersey sales, I reckon we could sign a player from China and make millions. Can't think of another reason the mancs signed Dong Fangzhuo. Also, who is to say that whoever is bought as a replacement (assuming it's just one and not two) players won't sell more? Torres sold more jerseys than Gerrard in the year he was signed.

QUOTE(triple02 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:10 PM)
As for being the club captain, I think you would agree Gerrard more than did his fair share of representing the club, yes he is not flawless and had his tiffs with the law, you mentioned his decision to stay with LFC the could be contributed from the death threats to his family well maybe there could have been other factors as well too right? I never had a chance to see Kenny Dalglish, Ian Rush during their hey days at the club, and Gerrard I consider is the closest thing to them since then. I'm just being appreciative of what he has brought to the club, thats all
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Yes I'm sure a big part of the reason he stayed is because he loves the club, I think I said that didn't I? I also said that the threats were part of the reason, not the whole reason.

Again, you make it seem as though I don't give a rats ass about Gerrard and I want him to leave. I assure you I know and I remember as clearly as anyone what he has given to us. You don't remember Rush but surely you were around when Fowler left? Did you feel just as strongly? I felt sad and yet I saw logic behind that decision. Forget the fact that he never got along with Thommo and almost took his head off in training, which is ultimately rumoured to have been what was the last straw? Fowler's form was going downhill and Houllier thought it was time to call it curtains on his Anfield career. Yes, another reason is that being a strict disciplinarian, Houllier didn't always appreciate Fowler's antics. Now based on sentiment alone, we would never have sold our "God".

QUOTE(weichieh007 @ Jun 23 2011, 05:25 PM)
It's sad to see more forumers seems to go along the less passionate/ supportive view on the Gerrard discussions. First there was bits of suggestion of stripping his captaincy, then there were pieces of acceptance in selling him to other clubs. Where's the passion mate?
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First of all, I'm passionate about the club. Yes, the club always comes first for me. Some time back, I was criticised for suggesting that it was time for Rafa to go but was I so wrong? It was nothing personal against Rafa, I clearly remember Istanbul but that didn't change the fact that he never got on with the owners and the players had stopped wanting to play for him, so what else could have been done? Because of sentiment, we force him to stay even though the situation was toxic? We pray for new owners (that we now have of course), and sell all the players who don't like Rafa, replacing them with new ones? A long shot at the time. The most logical thing to do was to bring in new management and I don't see anyone complaining now that King Kenny is back.

So now, if you think that my opinion on at least considering a large bid for Gerrard shows a lack of passion on my behalf, I urge you to rethink your accusation. I want what's best for the club. What's best for the players, the fans and the management comes second. Why? Of all these elements, the only constant is the club. The emergence of bandwagon jumpers have proven that even fans come and go these days.

Finally, I want to reiterate what I said in my opening paragraph. I DON"T WANT GERRARD TO LEAVE. I'm trying to take my rose tinted glasses off to at least consider if we could actually be better off if we sold him for large profit. Is that not what we do when we make decisions? Weigh the pros and cons?
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Understandably the signing if British players isn't greeted with as much enthusiasm as their European or South American counterparts but let us now forget that most of out best ever players are British.

When Gerard Houllier signed Gary McAllister, I myself wasn't exactly jumping out of my seat but what a shrewd decision it turned out to be. Could the signing of a much younger Scotsman this time round be as impactful? I see similarities in the two. Both are smart passes of the ball, neither has explosive pace and both are deadly with set pieces. Anyone remember Macca's 40 yard free kick past Paul Gerrard against Everton?

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QUOTE(mr_nobigdeal @ Jun 25 2011, 11:58 PM)
why we buy so many English player and CM? Henderson, Downing, Adam....? I thought we desperately need wingers.
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Have you read about the mooted 6+5 rule back in 2008?
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QUOTE(mr_nobigdeal @ Jun 26 2011, 11:19 AM)
agree but so far i didn't see Arsenal or Chelsea apply the rule with the ongoing transfer.

just that the way I see it, Liverpool is more obvious looking for English players.

hope that with this English signing, reina, lucas and suarez will stay with liverpool for a longer time.

looking forward also for juan mata to join us which is another spanish.

and meireles should stay put.
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Well that's their 'pasal' I suppose. Thing to note also is that Dalglish is British and hence will naturally be more familiar with British players. If you look at Man Utd's squad for example you'll note that Fergie values British born players as well.
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You want to profit off a fellow red by having him pay for your work trip?

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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Jun 27 2011, 09:36 PM)
I've been reading a lot of complaints from LFC fans all around the net lately regarding our choice of purchases, our over-valuation of them as well as the imminent sale of Fans Player of the Year Raul Mereiles. I think we should all accept the fact that we're not playing some football manager game. This is real money we're dealing with, real players that come and go. Every little thing you do affects the club (as so obviously portrayed by Roy Hodgson)

Assuming that everything I have read on the net is NOT a smokescreen (regarding the recent focus on Adam and Lennon) and is somewhat true to a certain degree, I would like to think that Kenny may be playing 4-5-1 with 3 holding midfielders and not the 4-4-2 everybody has been speculating about. This is probably how it looks like

----------------------------------------Pepe-------------------------------------

-Glenny/Flanagan----Carra/newCB----Dagger/Skrtel----Clichy/Robinson-

------Gerrard/Henderson---------Lucas/Matuidi------------Aquilani/Adam---

-Lennon/Kuyt---------------------------------------------------Suarez/Downing--

-------------------------------Carroll/Wickham---------------------------------------
now I know some of it sounds ridiculous say for example we paid 16m for Henderson and prolly the same amount for Downing there's no way on Earth they'll be rotated as frequently as I have portrayed. But sorry folks this is what I can envision at the moment.

Why are we paying over the odds for seemingly mediocre players who only plied their trade in the top flight for only a couple of years? 35m for Carroll and now 16m for Henderson. that's 51m, more than enough to buy somebody seemingly more exciting like Neymar from Santos. but let's not forget that we're not competing in Europe next season (and no, Europa League isn't going to help our reputation much) so who do the fans expect to come over to Merseyside? Juan Mata? whom just about every big club has their eyes on? Rumor has it that even Barcelona has him on their tabs. I say let's not get too enthusiastic boys...

Also, 1 thing I've noticed is that a lot of hopeful fans are still banging on about challenging for the Premier League trophy next season. I believe Kenny has already stated somewhere that the main aim is to achieve qualification for European football through league standings and anything more than that is a bonus. Yes it's good to be optimistic but what LFC needs the most now is for the fans to be REALISTIC. For too long LFC fans have been living in the past and still think with a couple of world-class signings we'll be owning everyone again. People who know King Kenny understands that the great man has a knack for buying mediocre players who DO THE JOB. Instead of focusing more on individual talent, I believe Kenny sees what we the fans don't which is how every single player can fit and complement each other perfectly when they play together week in week out. 16 big ones for Henderson might look like a lot to you right now but I'm very confident that few years down the road we will all appreciate what we have. The lad's only 21 this year!

I think paying a few more million for English players are fine because there is no denying that their English nationality does affect who we can register in the competitions we compete in. So what if you think some players are over-rated? If we don't go for Adam, Lennon, Henderson who can we go for? Foreign players always pose a risk that they might not fit in well with the rest of the squad especially when everybody eats different dishes and tells different jokes. And as somebody mentioned here, Liverpool in England would be the equivalent of Johor in Malaysia. Add the soggy dull weather to the list and you see that you must really love Liverpool to play for us.

Once again, I think the whole theme for this summer's transfer market is one word - future. What the players can do for LFC for the next 10 years is more important than what they can do for a couple of seasons. I'm feeling good now whatever Kenny does, because I know that Kenny really knows what he's doing. I trust his decisions.

Not to forget, why are we selling Mereiles you say? If I'm not mistaken I think Mereiles is on a contract of 40k/week currently and the previous management promised to improve his terms of contract should he perform well enough in his first season. Sure enough he did but he's already 28 this year with only a few years to play before his value greatly reduces. Since we're already undergoing a total reconstruction now why not perform it full-scale? Sell the aging senior foreign players and replace them with young promising English players. Most importantly, players that Kenny he himself chose.

Here's cheers to a future world cup winning England squad with Liverpool players left right top down in it!
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I drew the parallel comparison between Liverpool and Johor. Not exactly places I'd want to live in.

I mentioned before that the reason I don't get drawn into discussion involving transfer speculation is exactly because people talk about it as though they are playing Football Manager. I mean how much do we really know about the players we are linked with? It's easy to rate Liverpool players because we watch them play week in and week out but when it comes to someone like Neymar, our knowledge is very much limited to youtube videos. "Let's buy him, let's buy him". How much do you really know about him? I don't know much personally.

As for selling Mereiles, I'm against this one. Sure I trust King Kenny, but even when he was playing like crap under Hodgson who had no idea where to field him, Jonno and I already earmarked him as our best player. He had a good world cup. No surprise he was crowned player of the year by our fans. We all saw the talent, and by ALL I mean everyone but Hodgson who apparently thought his best position was anywhere but central midfield. He was especially brilliant in the absence of Gerrard and we're targeting to sell him for what? A profit of 2 million quid? I don't know about this one. I'd keep him. You mentioned earlier that Henderson is only 21 and it's arguable if he'll command a regular place ahead of Gerrard, Spearing or Lucas. We haven't signed Adams yet so let's base this discussion on what is and not what might be. The basis for the sale of Mereiles is what? That he may be deemed a surplus? Even if we sign Adams, I'd rate him as second only to Gerrard in terms of quality so I'm wondering why suggestions are that he'll struggle to get into the team.

On the issue of signing British or English based players, I say go with what you're familiar with. King Kenny's been working with young players a lot and he knows better than anyone else who has potential and who doesn't. Also with the thread of the impending 6+5 rule looking, it's probably best to brace ourselves.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Jun 28 2011, 05:42 PM
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Sad to hear about Sammy leaving albeit for the 2nd time. He is as genuine as they come. Red through and through. Just look at the way he reacts whenever we score a goal. Friends of mine actually met him in Singapore some years back when the Reds were on tour. They were at the bar of the hotel the team was staying in. Bumped into Sammy, Thommo and the rest of the back room staff. Sammy took pictures with them and had a couple of pints before retiring to bed. The next day after the game, my friends went back to the bar but was told by security it was a closed party for the playing and coaching staff. Sammy caught a glimpse of my friends and remembered them from the night before. He told them to join the team and introduced them to everyone. Class bloke! His actions epitomised what I love about LFC. That the fans come first. This is what differentiates us from everyone else. Is it any surprise that fans reciprocate by taking the effort to organise societies and clubs?

Anyway, I digress. I'll miss seeing Sammy on the sidelines but I can understand why he's left us. Steve Clarke has constantly been credited by King Kenny and his influence has grown, somewhat undermining the importance of Sammy. Although he didn't fare to well as manager of Bolton, I imagine he still has a desire to manage at the top level and I wish him all the best. Looking forward to an official statement from him. Could not have been an easy decision.

YNWA Sammy.


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