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Pedang @ Sundang as a Malay weapon




In Malaysian the Pedang @ Sundang is the only two-edged sword of any importance, The straight one-edged sword with blade or even width is called the Malay peninsular Chenangkas and in Jawa Lamang. A heavier, two handed sword is called Berandal in Borneo where it is most usually found. The Chinese and Japanese two handed sword is know as Pedang Jenawi.

Some chenangkas have a metal cross piece at right angles to the axis of the hilt, perhaps to prevent the hand sliding up the hilt when the weapon is wielded by wrist pressure. Some are undoubtedly of recent manufacture and may be fakes.

Of the greater interest, and usually of finer workmanship too, is the curved sword known to the Malay as Shamsir. This term is strictly applicable to only to the curved saber or scimitar of Persian origin. The Indian shamsir or tulwar is a cross-hilted sword. The hilt is usually of brass, sometimes of iron or silver, with pommel at the end to prevent the hand slipping when drawing cut is made. The pommel is large and hollow for lightness’ sake so that the balance of the sword is not upset.



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inb4 katana origin from here @hackline

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so what's the conspiracy this time? jkjk.

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look's like Toledo sword.
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QUOTE(Fadly @ Jun 6 2011, 01:12 PM)
look's like Toledo sword.
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that sword looks so much like samurai sword, even the way they hold it..

chinese jian is one-handed weapon, but the japs made it curve a bit and used it with 2-hand.

btw hishamuddin has a new option besides keris now.....

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Jun 6 2011, 06:39 PM)
that sword looks so much like samurai sword, even the way they hold it..

chinese jian is one-handed weapon, but the japs made it curve a bit and used it with 2-hand.

btw hishamuddin has a new option besides keris now.....
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Katanas have a straight version as well, which is way cheaper to make, used especially by monks, disguised as a wooden staff. Curved katana is expensive. Korean sword, known as "cloud sword", is almost the same as katana as well. Origin is really unknown.
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rupanya macam yang aku nampak dalam mimpi aku je,
tapi pedang tu aku rasa dalam mimpi aku amatlah berat dan amat panjang serta besinya berwarna kekuning-kuningan..
bukan warna putih, semuanya pun nampak macam warna kekuning-kuningan..
masa aku pegang pedang tu seluruh tubuh badan aku sudah habis berlumuran darah..
sekeliling aku habis semuanya sudah hancur semuanya.. macam tak ada suatu apa pun yang tinggal,
dan aku bawa pedang tu menuju ke sebuah bukit yang amat tinggi dan menjerit sekuat hati di atas bukit tu.
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Jun 6 2011, 07:41 PM)
rupanya macam yang aku nampak dalam mimpi aku je,
tapi pedang tu aku rasa dalam mimpi aku amatlah berat dan amat panjang serta besinya berwarna kekuning-kuningan..
bukan warna putih, semuanya pun nampak macam warna kekuning-kuningan..
masa aku pegang pedang tu seluruh tubuh badan aku sudah habis berlumuran darah..
sekeliling aku habis semuanya sudah hancur semuanya.. macam tak ada suatu apa pun yang tinggal,
dan aku bawa pedang tu menuju ke sebuah bukit yang amat tinggi dan menjerit sekuat hati di atas bukit tu.
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QUOTE(StationMonkey @ May 7 2011, 02:59 PM)
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Dikarang oleh Dato' Onn Jaafar pada tahun 1946.

KAMI, umat Melayu beragama Islam pada hari ini berjanji tidak akan berhasad dengki, khianat dan iri hati, bertelagah dan berbalah sama sendiri. KAMI berjanji akan bersatu padu dan patuh menegakkan agama Islam. KAMI juga berjanji akan bekerja kuat untuk menyara diri dan keluarga kami.
KAMI sedia bersaing sesama umat Melayu dan kaum-kaum lain dengan jujur dan terhormat.
KAMI umat Melayu bersumpah setia untuk:
Mempertahankan kepentingan dan hak Melayu;
Mempertahankan kedaulatan Raja-Raja Melayu;
Memperjuangkan ikhtisad dan pelajaran bangsa Melayu; dan
Mempertahankan maruah Negara supaya aman sejahtera.


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This was made by Dato' Onn Jaafar in 1946 when he became the president of UMNO.
In 1946, UMNO's main agenda is to oppose Malayan Union, but originally not seeking political power.
It was made to preserve Malays customs and rights against the Malayan Union held by the British.

In 1949, after the Malayan Union had been replaced by the semi-autonomous Federation of Malaya, UMNO shifted its focus to politics and governance.
UMNO managed to claim Malaya's independence for all Malayan, not just for the Malays.
The Malay people thus search for their birth-rights since the government of Malaya did not proclaim it openly, resulting in a confusing situation. This was probably because of the previously stated Sumpah Melayu.

In 1951, Onn Jaafar left UMNO after failing to open its membership to non-Malay Malayans to form the Independence of Malaya Party (IMP).
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This is the basis for some hardcore PERKASA members to fight for their rights, the Sumpah Melayu.

But is it still relevant to our current situation?
Did Onn Jaafar realized he made a mistake by making that Sumpah Melayu, and left UMNO because of it?
Why some Malays are still holding on tight to this pledge despite the fact that the CREATOR of the pledge itself, Onn Jaafar, was fighting for democracy between the Malayans? And the pledge was made against Malayan Union, and not supposed to be used against other democratic parties like what is happening in Malaysia today?
Did the hardcore PERKASA members misunderstood the real purpose of this pledge?
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abang hack, i need more info on this one. can you cover the liputan penuh for me? wub.gif
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some ppl r like dat, they invite contractor in to do work, after work done dunnwana pay. n making helluva fuss here n there. as though w/o d contractor, things can be done or they r as comfy as now
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QUOTE(StationMonkey @ Jun 6 2011, 07:59 PM)
abang hack, i need more info on this one. can you cover the liputan penuh for me?  wub.gif
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Jun 6 2011, 07:41 PM)
rupanya macam yang aku nampak dalam mimpi aku je,
tapi pedang tu aku rasa dalam mimpi aku amatlah berat dan amat panjang serta besinya berwarna kekuning-kuningan..
bukan warna putih, semuanya pun nampak macam warna kekuning-kuningan..
masa aku pegang pedang tu seluruh tubuh badan aku sudah habis berlumuran darah..
sekeliling aku habis semuanya sudah hancur semuanya.. macam tak ada suatu apa pun yang tinggal,
dan aku bawa pedang tu menuju ke sebuah bukit yang amat tinggi dan menjerit sekuat hati di atas bukit tu.
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Jun 6 2011, 07:41 PM)
rupanya macam yang aku nampak dalam mimpi aku je,
tapi pedang tu aku rasa dalam mimpi aku amatlah berat dan amat panjang serta besinya berwarna kekuning-kuningan..
bukan warna putih, semuanya pun nampak macam warna kekuning-kuningan..
masa aku pegang pedang tu seluruh tubuh badan aku sudah habis berlumuran darah..
sekeliling aku habis semuanya sudah hancur semuanya.. macam tak ada suatu apa pun yang tinggal,
dan aku bawa pedang tu menuju ke sebuah bukit yang amat tinggi dan menjerit sekuat hati di atas bukit tu.
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i support this tered...............

malay sword......... keris..... its our identity as malaysians... so be proud...

samurai katana boleh takkan sendiri punya tak boleh.....come on dude
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Jun 6 2011, 07:41 PM)
rupanya macam yang aku nampak dalam mimpi aku je,
tapi pedang tu aku rasa dalam mimpi aku amatlah berat dan amat panjang serta besinya berwarna kekuning-kuningan..
bukan warna putih, semuanya pun nampak macam warna kekuning-kuningan..
masa aku pegang pedang tu seluruh tubuh badan aku sudah habis berlumuran darah..
sekeliling aku habis semuanya sudah hancur semuanya.. macam tak ada suatu apa pun yang tinggal,
dan aku bawa pedang tu menuju ke sebuah bukit yang amat tinggi dan menjerit sekuat hati di atas bukit tu.
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Tu bukan mimpi lah, tu acid trip akibat LSD.
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choose your weapon

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Katana Blade & Thai Daab Hilt


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QUOTE(titanz @ Feb 4 2012, 06:30 PM)
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Pedang Jenawi Patani



Origin : Pattani (Sultanate Patani / Ayutthaya Period)




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all weapons tend to look the same because the singularity point depnds on the local conditions, armour and whether you ride horses etc.

if your opponent wears thick armour, you have bigger (european style) swords. if the weather is hot, the ground muddy, or the other fella's using guns, you dont develop heavy armour.

swords are liek everywhere because people like to slash rather than stab. it's just that if youre on a ship, in the city or in the jungle, you kinda dont have much space to swing a long sword.
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why they need such a huge blade to potong banana tree and pokok padi? hmm.gif
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why they need such a huge blade to potong banana tree and pokok padi? hmm.gif
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Pedang Jenawi Singapura



Origin : Singapore

Date : 1940s (World War 2)


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chinese movie also got, royal sword. they call it godslayer, can only use to slay a noob kings/sohai kings.
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how the bankai versyun will look like?
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QUOTE(Balaclava @ Mar 2 2013, 07:02 PM)
chinese movie also got, royal sword. they call it godslayer, can only use to slay a noob kings/sohai kings.
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Swordfighting Stances From The 1588 Edition Of Chinese General Qi Jiguang Books

Ji Xiao Xin Shu Chinese Originally Consisted Of 18 chapters. However a revised 14 chapter version actually more popular in China than the 18 chapter version for the past few centuries. In fact, it is known to exist in 6 different editions, more numerous than the original. The first 14 chapter edition was published in 1584. The remaining editions were published in 1592, 1604, 1644; there are also other Ming-era handwritten copies.



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However, they come from another country's long swordmaking tradition which includes double-edged blades and single-edged blades. This particular design sees to have been strongly influenced by Japanese swords, though it could have also been influenced by Chinese swords. Japanese swords did however reach this area. I've seen one sword that dates from the Sultanate Patani that has a Japanese blade and a proper habaki.

Probably Edo, with not much sori. Rather rusted now, and engraved with local designs, with a tsuka made of the local wood and bound with thread, but still a functional sword. Presumably the blade got there via trade.

Having done some digging yes, there were direct and indirect trading links between Japan and the Sultanate Patani. Chinese merchants started trading there in the early 15th century and played a major role in its rise as a regional trade centre. The Chinese were soon joined by the Portuguese (who traded with Japan) in 1516, the Japanese in 1592, the Dutch (who traded with Japan) in 1602, the English in 1612, and many Malay and Siamese merchants. After 1620 the Dutch and English both closed their warehouses, but a prosperous trade was continued by the Chinese, Japanese, and Portuguese for most of that century. Most foreign merchants abandoned trading with Patani after the 1688 invasion by Ayudhya which resulted in fifty years of political disorder and widespread lawlessness.

Which means that the influence of Japanese sword design on Malayan swords has a longer history than supposed. Of course, the influence of various forms of the Chinese dao are equally possible. The zhanmadao, mentioned in an 11th century military text, was similar in appearance to a katana. However, you’re now into the rather complex subject of Chinese influences on Japanese sword design, and the wider subject of the influence of Chinese technology and culture on Asia as a whole.

sometimes the Japanese influenced the Chinese. In the 16th century a Chinese general obtained a Japanese military manual featuring o-dachi and their use as an anti-cavalry weapon. This was of interest to him, since he was engaged in warfare with the Mongols. The general promptly replaced the zhanmadao, which had been used for this purpose, with the Japanese design. Ideas of who influenced what in the wider Asian context therefore get exceedingly complex if the katana and its variations were originally derivatives of the zhanmadao and the zhanmadao was subsequently replaced with Japanese-derived blades. There are therefore multiple possible influences on the development of the Malayan pedang jenawi and similar swords in the region. That some of these are *not* Japanese can be shown by the use of a permanently fixed hilt and a soldered guard. It is therefore overly simplistic to say that these are just faux Japanese swords. There are Japanese influences, sure – however Japan has been influenced by China, and China had a direct influence on places like Vietnam, Malaya, Thailand etc. The Japanese also influenced these area, either by direct or indirect trade, and smiths indigenous to these area interpreted these influences in their own way.
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No swords can beat japanese katana, man crafted ones, my grandparents have one, given by the japanese goverment when malaysia is under japan for selling and healing their squats (if not die), that katana is 60 years old and still can cut through 5 5L bottles with water like slicing butter, that is slash on a human, the human will cut in half, no swords can win japanese blue steel 7 layer katana


the design not like this but the length and curve is almost the same, dun have the pic, Blade length 102cm, holding area length 25cm whole katana 127cm w/o sheath
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