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cherroy
post Jan 27 2012, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jan 27 2012, 02:50 AM)
Hmm, ok. smile.gif

Mind to elaborate more? (The part of where "I buy and sell you get profit" income)
P/S : I'm not looking a leeway to run from tax. Trying to learn this.
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Buy and sell goods, like hardware or whatever, is considered a trading, and income/profit made is a taxable income.

But if buy and sell a house/investment, and make profit from it, is considered as capital gain, and capital gain is not a taxable income. But rental made through the house is a taxable income.
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post Jan 27 2012, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 27 2012, 01:18 AM)
Wrong advice.  smile.gif

Those Garage sales income is also a taxable income.
Those income without EPF contribution also a taxable income, for eg. commission based deal etc.

There is no such thing of income without EPF deduction is not auditable, it can be traced if they really want to.
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if just receive a comm like rm3k for a yr must also declare? how will they know/check?
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post Jan 27 2012, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Jan 25 2012, 11:20 AM)
How much is your monthly pay per month? if it exceed RM2,600 per month, this year onwards your pay will be deducted PCB

since u start work on August, and your total income from August to December does not exceed RM32,000, u did not need pay PCB. Don't worry about the tax file, your HR will do the job
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Thank you sir for the clarification.

Aug to December >RM32000, that means i will need to pay PCB for that period right.

And just saw on my Jan payslip, there is a deduction for tax, so i think HR got it covered. But still i'll need to pay upcoming April if i understand everything right.


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post Jan 28 2012, 01:30 AM

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QUOTE(samquah @ Jan 27 2012, 04:20 PM)
if just receive a comm like rm3k for a yr  must also declare? how will they know/check?
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Yes.

How they know or check?
The company pay you the commission have many trace of it, either from bank account transfer, cash payment voucher, accounting paper work, or even by testimonial, or just phone to the company, did your company pay xyz 3k commission at 20xx year? and many more.
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post Jan 28 2012, 04:48 AM

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Ok, does that means verbally, or rather as long as they have statement of someone you deal with, are accepted as proof in audit?

Like this example

"I withdraw money from my bank, buy a speaker @ RM10 from XYZ shop(issue receipt). Then I sell it to consumer @ RM15 with cash term, yielding RM5 profit(no receipt given). RM15 was deposited back into the bank"

So a verbal/written testimonial from the consumer were able to track the profit?
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post Jan 28 2012, 09:06 AM

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To declare tax or not for u "grey income", u have to determine the numbers (value) of the properties u may purchase in future and plan in advance.

Some income may be untraceable by IRB. If u don't declare that income, IRB may not know that u have that income. Thus, they will not suspect your income at the moment.

However, if u use this income to buy properties, then they may suspect your income. This let to tax audit.

If u want to be good citizen, then no one can stop u to declare all sorts of income including "grey income". U have to pay more tax and "contribute" to the country.

The problem arises in the inefficiency of the IRB.
It is proven that many people in this country are evading tax.
If u are legal SALARY earners, then u are listed at the bottom of the "tax hierachy(TM)", u can't evade any tax, u have to pay all the salary tax.

On the other hand, they are those businessmen/people in our country are evading tax.
Why?
It is due to the bad management of the IRB.
We have good tax laws but the enforcement is very bad.
If u want to do business in our country, then here is a right place u have chosen.
Many rich businessmen had been migrated to oversea, but their biz still in Malaysia.
U can see many folks drive their fancy car on the road and live in big bungalows.
Are u jealous?

U want to declare or not for all sorts of income including u "grey income" is really your choice!
Of course u have to take the risk for not declaring it!
No risk no money!

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QUOTE(Nepo @ Jan 28 2012, 09:06 AM)
To declare tax or not for u "grey income", u have to determine the numbers (value) of the properties u may purchase in future and plan in advance.

Some income may be untraceable by IRB. If u don't declare that income, IRB may not know that u have that income. Thus, they will not suspect your income at the moment.

However, if u use this income to buy properties, then they may suspect your income. This let to tax audit.

If u want to be good citizen, then no one can stop u to declare all sorts of income including "grey income". U have to pay more tax and "contribute" to the country.

The problem arises in the inefficiency of the IRB.
It is proven that many people in this country are evading tax.
If u are legal SALARY earners, then u are listed at the bottom of the "tax hierachy(TM)", u can't evade any tax, u have to pay all the salary tax.

On the other hand, they are those businessmen/people in our country are evading tax.
Why?
It is due to the bad management of the IRB.
We have good tax laws but the enforcement is very bad.
If u want to do business in our country, then here is a right place u have chosen.
Many rich businessmen had been migrated to oversea, but their biz still in Malaysia.
U can see many folks drive their fancy car on the road and live in big bungalows.
Are u jealous?

U want to declare or not for all sorts of  income including u "grey income" is really your choice!
Of course u have to take the risk for not declaring it!
No risk no money!
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^Ok, nice info! thumbup.gif
Now I start to understand why my father did asked me to file my tax asap I started work so that I can buy house easier.
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post Jan 29 2012, 05:35 PM

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in my payslip theres an amount written as MEAL ALLOWANCE, it is not taxable right?
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post Jan 29 2012, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(db07mufan @ Jan 29 2012, 05:35 PM)
in my payslip theres an amount written as MEAL ALLOWANCE, it is not taxable right?
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Allowances, incentive, or whatever are counted into your gross income, unless there is income tax ruling stated otherwise that stated it is tax exempted,
if not any form of income you get, even non-cash like car given by company for you to drive/travel are considered as Benefit in kind (BIK), which also contributed into your gross taxable income.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 29 2012, 05:42 PM)
Allowances, incentive, or whatever are counted into your gross income, unless there is income tax ruling stated otherwise that stated it is tax exempted,
if not any form of income you get, even non-cash like car given by company for you to drive/travel are considered as Benefit in kind (BIK), which also contributed into your gross taxable income.
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(vi) Meal allowance received on a  regular basis, for example on a
daily or monthly basis, given at the same rate to all employees. 
Meal allowance provided to an employee for purposes such as
overtime or outstation / overseas trips and other similar purposes
in exercising his employment is chargeable to tax.


Thanks for the reply cherroy, just curious cos i saw this statement .
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when can i start to fill the e-filling?
I just got my EA form today. This gonna be my first time to fill it. I know I will need to pay it laugh.gif
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QUOTE(xixo_12 @ Feb 1 2012, 11:07 AM)
when can i start to fill the e-filling?
I just got my EA form today. This gonna be my first time to fill it. I know I will need to pay it laugh.gif
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1st March 2012 I think.

Ends by 30 April 2012.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 1 2012, 01:27 PM)
1st March 2012 I think.

Ends by 30 April 2012.
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Alright!
Tq bro
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e-filling will be easier to fill than manual.

Btw, thanks for all the info up there. So the bottomline is :

Any kind of cash, or non-cash you get are taxable income, unless there's tax ruling stating TAX-EXEMPTED.

*I remember reading somewhere people won cash prize, and there's a clause (tax-exempted).
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 27 2012, 03:37 PM)
Buy and sell goods, like hardware or whatever, is considered a trading, and income/profit made is a taxable income.

But if buy and sell a house/investment, and make profit from it, is considered as capital gain, and capital gain is not a taxable income. But rental made through the house is a taxable income.
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Isn't the profit from the sale of property subjected to RPGT? hmm.gif
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post Feb 1 2012, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Feb 1 2012, 02:45 PM)
Isn't the profit from the sale of property subjected to RPGT? hmm.gif
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Yes, if not more than 5 years, at current RPGT rules.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 1 2012, 02:47 PM)
Yes, if not more than 5 years, at current RPGT rules.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 29 2012, 05:42 PM)
Allowances, incentive, or whatever are counted into your gross income, unless there is income tax ruling stated otherwise that stated it is tax exempted,
if not any form of income you get, even non-cash like car given by company for you to drive/travel are considered as Benefit in kind (BIK), which also contributed into your gross taxable income.
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QUOTE(db07mufan @ Jan 29 2012, 05:58 PM)
Thanks for the reply cherroy, just curious cos i saw this statement .
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in my company EA form, there isn't allowance stated in the form, only basic gross salary + bonus. So do I need to declare the allowance by myself as well? sweat.gif


QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 1 2012, 02:47 PM)
Yes, if not more than 5 years, at current RPGT rules.
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Can I assume RPGT rules apply on residence properties??? and sometimes I could find there are ppl who could buy and sell the house property within short frame like 1 or 2 months without paying for RPGT...how they do that? doh.gif
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QUOTE(eric84cool @ Feb 1 2012, 02:57 PM)
in my company EA form, there isn't allowance stated in the form, only basic gross salary + bonus. So do I need to declare the allowance by myself as well? sweat.gif

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Company EA should include all.
This is company mistake already and company can be fined if LHDN found out wrongly submitted the PCB and EA.
PCB is counted towards gross salary including allowances, so if the EA doesn't include the allowance, it cannot match with PCB deduction amount.

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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 1 2012, 01:27 PM)
1st March 2012 I think.

Ends by 30 April 2012.
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Faster Submit it and get my extra PCB back thumbup.gif

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