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TSchesterksy
post May 31 2011, 11:30 AM, updated 15y ago

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I have been diagnosed with slipped/herniated disc due to poor form of deadlifting and I will be laying off from bodybuilding for approximately 9 to 12 months. sad.gif
Is there a way to maintain muscle mass during the injury period?

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post May 31 2011, 11:36 AM

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dude ... regardless of what u better get a proper rest and dont strain ur back bone much.

Chances for ur cartilage to dry up is high when the injury is not healed properly . And u will end up having pain in ur back the rest of ur life.


For ur upper part body, swimming could help a lot. ( if u could swim )
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post May 31 2011, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(akidos @ May 31 2011, 11:36 AM)
dude ... regardless of what u better get a proper rest and dont strain ur back bone much.

Chances for ur cartilage to dry up is high when the injury is not healed properly . And u will end up having pain in ur back the rest of ur life.
For ur upper part body, swimming could help a lot. ( if u could swim  )
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thanks bro, going for surgery to fix my disc soon
I think d only thing i can do for d next few months is swimming and stationery bike
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post May 31 2011, 11:46 AM

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Best tip I can give you is forget about muscle mass for now,concentrate on making your back better and strengthening your back muscles.Muscle can be packed on later on as you have muscle memory on your side.

I went through compressed disks before so I know how that feels.
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I hate these threads. They make me scared to deadlift/squat/lift -_____-

OP, i agree with pedro. Recover first. You'll gain the mass back through muscle memory.
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post May 31 2011, 04:32 PM

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Concentrate on recovering first. I speak from personal experience when I say trying to train through a back injury is just not a good idea. I ended up making my pain worse. So for now, take the time off to get fully recovered, and once you get the green light, start again slowly and gradually.

Swimming is good, especially with disc injuries.
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post May 31 2011, 05:49 PM

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thanks everyone for the advices. I heard that high amount of protein and glutamine daily could reduce possible of muscle mass loss. However, researches showed that glutamine may not help preserve muscle mass tho hmm.gif


Added on May 31, 2011, 5:50 pm
QUOTE(Kaffatsum @ May 31 2011, 12:46 PM)
I hate these threads. They make me scared to deadlift/squat/lift -_____-

OP, i agree with pedro. Recover first. You'll gain the mass back through muscle memory.
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Just look at your form whenever you do deadlift or squat, i was careless and ended up with the present condition sad.gif

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post May 31 2011, 06:00 PM

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me too i wanted to ask this kind of question.. but mine is just 1 month rest.. saw on some forums, that you need to cut your carb but not too much of your protein.. anybody with long-term injury experience?

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post May 31 2011, 08:01 PM

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how did you injury yourself specifically? really sorry to hear about it btw, that sucks
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post Jun 1 2011, 09:47 AM

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Dude... thats some injury you have there. I had an my ACL redone a couple of years back leaving the muscle in my thigh area completely dead. My thighs looked like jello when I got out of the hospital. But you knoe what bro, it all came back after awhile. Saying that, you need to put your focus on getting your back fixed and on your scheduled physio.

Once that is over and done with and your back is feeling much better, you can resume your training with caution. Take care bro, here's hoping ur surgery goes well.
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QUOTE(mikehuan @ May 31 2011, 08:01 PM)
how did you injury yourself specifically? really sorry to hear about it btw, that sucks
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Ya bro, can share with us how u got urself injured, hope it can help us here to prevent it happen.
Bro, get well soon n come back stronger. cheers.
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9-12 months layoff. Ouch.

I had a slight shoulder strain and had to stop doing anything for 2 weeks. I was pissed off, I can only imagine your frustration.

Get well soon, bro.
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post Jun 2 2011, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(AW55699 @ Jun 1 2011, 10:25 AM)
Ya bro, can share with us how u got urself injured, hope it can help us here to prevent it happen.
Bro, get well soon n come back stronger. cheers.
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I was rushing actually and I was deadlifting about 50kg, I wasnt concentrating on the form and it happens sad.gif
Next time if you're going to gym, make sure u have lotsa spare time
and look at ur form especially to keep ur back straight and always bend ur legs when deadlifting.

Lift safe everyone


Added on June 2, 2011, 8:25 pm
QUOTE(Dharmain @ Jun 1 2011, 09:47 AM)
Dude... thats some injury you have there. I had an my ACL redone a couple of years back leaving the muscle in my thigh area completely dead. My thighs looked like jello when I got out of the hospital. But you knoe what bro, it all came back after awhile. Saying that, you need to put your focus on getting your back fixed and on your scheduled physio.

Once that is over and done with and your back is feeling much better, you can resume your training with caution. Take care bro, here's hoping ur surgery goes well.
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Thanks bro. Although d doc said i will b fully healed approx 3 months, I think I will keep myself from lifting for 9-12 months
Swimming would be d only thing that keep me fit for the next few months sad.gif


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9-12 months layoff. Ouch.

I had a slight shoulder strain and had to stop doing anything for 2 weeks. I was pissed off, I can only imagine your frustration.

Get well soon, bro.
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Thanks bro, u get well soon too smile.gif


Added on June 2, 2011, 8:47 pmI hope to share this out for anyone who in the future might hurt their back in lifting, running and whatever activities that are rigorous enough to strain your back.
It happened to me I hurt my back while deadlifting late February. The first thing I did was apply some traditional ointment. The next day I realise I was not comfortable with my back and I visited a chiropractor. I took an X-Ray and the chiropractor realized that my back was not serious. I was a little 'relieved' but the thing that niggling me was my hamstring as it was kinda tight. The chiropractor taught me a few techniques that can loosen my tight hamstring and it works. My hamstring felt better and my back was fine as well.
However, in late April, once in a while I realized that there was numbness on my left leg and sometimes there was a sudden sharp pain on my left calf. I thought it was cramp at first and it really didn't bother me at first. In mid May, the numbness and sudden pain was getting worse and unbearable. I decided to visit the chiropractor, he suspected that I have slipped disc aka herniated disc. He recommended me to do an MRI. I did one and the doctor at the hospital diagnosed me with slipped disc. I believe this is one of the worst injury that can happen to someone who loves lifting.
Nonetheless, I am positive that I will be able to lift again. Just have to avoid potential risky exercise like deadlifting and squats in the future. Rest would be the most important thing for me to do. I guess after many years of lifting, the next few months would be my 'vacation'. tongue.gif
I am going for the surgery soon and I hope every bros out there lift safely and if you happen to hurt your back, visit ur nearest hospital and do an MRI. X-Ray cant detect slipped disc.
Lift safe bros smile.gif

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QUOTE(chesterksy @ Jun 2 2011, 08:22 PM)
I was rushing actually and I was deadlifting about 50kg, I wasnt concentrating on the form and it happens sad.gif
Next time if you're going to gym, make sure u have lotsa spare time
and look at ur form especially to keep ur back straight and always bend ur legs when deadlifting.

Lift safe everyone


Added on June 2, 2011, 8:25 pm

Thanks bro. Although d doc said i will b fully healed approx 3 months, I think I will keep myself from lifting for 9-12 months
Swimming would be d only thing that keep me fit for the next few months  sad.gif


Added on June 2, 2011, 8:26 pm

Thanks bro, u get well soon too  smile.gif


Added on June 2, 2011, 8:47 pmI hope to share this out for anyone who in the future might hurt their back in lifting, running and whatever activities that are rigorous enough to strain your back.
It happened to me I hurt my back while deadlifting late February. The first thing I did was apply some traditional ointment. The next day I realise I was not comfortable with my back and I visited a chiropractor. I took an X-Ray and the chiropractor realized that my back was not serious. I was a little 'relieved' but the thing that niggling me was my hamstring as it was kinda tight. The chiropractor taught me a few techniques that can loosen my tight hamstring and it works. My hamstring felt better and my back was fine as well.
However, in late April, once in a while I realized that there was numbness on my left leg and sometimes there was a sudden sharp pain on my left calf. I thought it was cramp at first and it really didn't bother me at first. In mid May, the numbness and sudden pain was getting worse and unbearable. I decided to visit the chiropractor, he suspected that I have slipped disc aka herniated disc. He recommended me to do an MRI. I did one and the doctor at the hospital diagnosed me with slipped disc. I believe this is one of the worst injury that can happen to someone who loves lifting.
Nonetheless, I am positive that I will be able to lift again. Just have to avoid potential risky exercise like deadlifting and squats in the future. Rest would be the most important thing for me to do. I guess after many years of lifting, the next few months would be my 'vacation'.  tongue.gif
I am going for the surgery soon and I hope every bros out there lift safely and if you happen to hurt your back, visit ur nearest hospital and do an MRI. X-Ray cant detect slipped disc.
Lift safe bros smile.gif
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More or less the exact same thing I went through. Had an x-ray done initially and was told there was nothing wrong with me. Only a few months later did it finally get too painful to bear, did I get a second opinion and did a MRI. Swimming will be good, so long as it's something easy on the back like freestyle. And, you don't need to completely neglect squats and deadlifts, rather, make sure your form is perfect when doing them. I started squatting again this year, the first time after 6 months of being away from training. So, yeah, it's a good idea to give your body all the time it needs to recover before getting back at it.
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Mri is when they insert some sort of liquid to ur nerves/veins and do a scan to check for problems? If that is so,how much for a scan?

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QUOTE(ExCrIpT @ Jun 2 2011, 11:13 PM)
Mri is when they insert some sort of liquid to ur nerves/veins and do a scan to check for problems? If that is so,how much for a scan?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_imaging
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Shit bro , now I'm going to take extra cautious when I deadlift ..

Take care bro ..
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post Jun 6 2011, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Jun 2 2011, 10:29 PM)
More or less the exact same thing I went through. Had an x-ray done initially and was told there was nothing wrong with me. Only a few months later did it finally get too painful to bear, did I get a second opinion and did a MRI. Swimming will be good, so long as it's something easy on the back like freestyle. And, you don't need to completely neglect squats and deadlifts, rather, make sure your form is perfect when doing them. I started squatting again this year, the first time after 6 months of being away from training. So, yeah, it's a good idea to give your body all the time it needs to recover before getting back at it.
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I'll consider whether to deadlift or not, doc say my disc wont get back to its pre-injury condition anymore, so lift at my own risk sad.gif
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post Jun 6 2011, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(hoxy @ Jun 6 2011, 06:48 PM)
http://www.vitalics.com/articler/mode3/414/

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I've begun to try to end my day (or right after deadlift):

1) Backbend: Try to search in youtube keyword "back bend", "drop back", "chakrasana yoga" "ashtanga drop back", "wrestler bridge"
2) Spine decompression hang
3) I also like to do weighted pull/chin up on my last workout. Think of someone grabbing me down from the bar. Sort of decompress but still staying tight whole body... not sure whether working or not. But I do it anyway.
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Read the article and im surprised this person didnt op for the surgery. I guess its a risky thing to do but like d doc said, my nerves condition is deteriorating/dying due to the disc pressing on my nerves, operation may help imho.

The bending exercises seem very convincing especially for the spine decompression hang. I will try those exercises once I can start to lift again. smile.gif Very good post, thanks hoxy smile.gif

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Safety First
1. Deadlift / squat plz wear a weightlifting belt for support. Never go without one.
2. Focus on form, form and form. Weight is secondary.

As to prevent muscle wastage, take glutamine on a daily basis. But do check with doctor on this first.


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Always make sure that you eat a balanced meal diet. Don't forget rich protein food like fish and tempes
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post Jul 11 2011, 09:56 PM

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Hello Friend,


Muscles repair and growth only take place when the body is resting. No supplements or trick can substitute rest in the process of mass and muscle increase. Injuries of any kind will constrain some bodily movement, especially during bodybuilding workouts. This all depends on exactly where is the injury? For instance, if the injury is located in the upper part of your body, then workout your lower part, and vice versa. During such injuries, it is important to eat enough food to maintain the nutrients that you need for the healing process.



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i have a question here. i also have some backbone and lower back injury now. stopped bb abt 5 months. but i din really visit a doctor.

the pain isn't constant pain, it comes when im in a certain position. once awhile i will have small little uneasy pain in my lowest backbone bone. after few mins its gone.

the thing im curious is, u guys who had a herniated disc suffer constant and very long pain? because i hope im not one of the person that have a herniated disc.

pls advise.
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QUOTE(sosostupid @ Jul 11 2011, 10:52 PM)
i have a question here. i also have some backbone and lower back injury now. stopped bb abt 5 months. but i din really visit a doctor.

the pain isn't constant pain, it comes when im in a certain position. once awhile i will have small little uneasy pain in my lowest backbone bone. after few mins its gone.

the thing im curious is, u guys who had a herniated disc suffer constant and very long pain? because i hope im not one of the person that have a herniated disc.

pls advise.
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Nope mine wasn't constant,it would hit suddenly and I would lose my breath and had to sit down immediately.

Felt like someone stabbed me in the back each time.
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just to add when you don;t train, your muscle will start to deteriorate away. Glutamine helps to slow down the muscle breakdown. However for injury healing thats another different story.

For joints health, typically go for chondrotine and glucosamine supplements.
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QUOTE(pedro @ Jul 12 2011, 06:23 AM)
Nope mine wasn't constant,it would hit suddenly and I would lose my breath and had to sit down immediately.

Felt like someone stabbed me in the back each time.
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Mine is like stabbed by a needle to the place around but only one spot at a time. Am I in a chance to have a herniated disc. Dam sked
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Jul 12 2011, 04:16 PM)
1. Mckenzie backbend
2. Bridge
3. Spine decompression hang
4. Inversion table

Workout incorporated (possibly good for spine also, hoxy theory)
5. Weighted pull/chin up?
6. Handstand (wall assisted or non assisted) push up
7. Start to develop real strong abs/midsection and max internal pressure at midsection. Non strong abs/midsection = back take the load and the job of stabilizing midsection instead of the midsection taking up the task = screwed back. Strong abs = max internal pressure of midsection = stable healthy back.
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With a back injury, handstand push ups put quite a bit of pressure on the spine, so I don't think they're the best thing to do. At least until a solid foundation has been secured first, IMO. The rest are pretty okay because they either strengthen the spine in a neutral position, or promote decompression. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Actually my best recovery tool was the swiss ball!

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QUOTE(hoxy @ Jul 12 2011, 04:16 PM)
1. Mckenzie backbend
2. Bridge
3. Spine decompression hang
4. Inversion table

Workout incorporated (possibly good for spine also, hoxy theory)
5. Weighted pull/chin up?
6. Handstand (wall assisted or non assisted) push up
7. Start to develop real strong abs/midsection and max internal pressure at midsection. Non strong abs/midsection = back take the load and the job of stabilizing midsection instead of the midsection taking up the task = screwed back. Strong abs = max internal pressure of midsection = stable healthy back.
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Using this post to reply. I had a bad herniated disc that the doctor ask me to go for an operation but I didn't want to. Found a fitness trainer who is specializes in back injury. That was in 2009 including being obese. 2 years later, gotten stronger, pain is gone and slowly lifting weights but not heavy weights. My ultimate goal is to start lifting properly because I never thought I'd be able to get this far.

I'll use the above post to share what I did.

1. Mckenzie backbend : I do a McKenzie pushup on the floor, especially when pain comes. Optional is to do it while standing.

2. Bridge : I use to do this with legs on swissball. Now doing this http://youtu.be/h3fYRha9evo with modification --> I move with my feet 3 steps towards each side like a crab. My current least fav workout.

3. Spine decompression hang : Always had to remember to hang relax and not tighten shoulder muscles because this is to stretch, not strengthen. The moment I try to pull up using hangs, I can no longer stretch. I usually stack two reebok step platforms just to reach it. Feels like hanging like a monkey. smile.gif I do this if no one is free to hang me on an inversion table.

4. Inversion table : I do this everyday at gym before I start any cardio and strength. I try to end with this after the workout. One of the gym instructors would help. Usually I do 5min coz he is scared to hang me for longer periods. If it's my trainer, she hangs me for 15-30 min. I can't pull out the feet grip handles so the instructure helps me with this.

Workout incorporated
5. Weighted pull/chin up? : I do weighted pull-up but need good form. I have shoulder aches if I hunch so I always ended up being mindful to stick chest out and hold abs in. One of the few machines I'm allowed on.

6. Handstand (wall assisted or non assisted) push up : I don't have the green light from my trainer to do this until I'm much much stronger and have lost more weight.

7. Start to develop real strong abs/midsection and max internal pressure at midsection. Non strong abs/midsection = back take the load and the job of stabilizing midsection instead of the midsection taking up the task = screwed back. Strong abs = max internal pressure of midsection = stable healthy back.

This is my basic core exercise I do in the morning when I wake up and before workouts. http://www.coachr.org/innerunit.htm . Builds up my core really well and still protecting my back. It activates my core muscles for the whole day so that I remember to hold in my abs when I move around, especially when sitting down or up. The interesting bit is that Paul Chek advocates that if one can strengthen the body's natural weight belt, you may not need a weighted belt.

Squats : I do this but with very light weights. Also do it with arms cross while holding the bar to protect the back. And to make sure I did it properly, I used to squat with the ball on my back like in pedro's post http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/girard8.htm --> isolation wall squat. I don't use the ball anymore but am always told to hold belly button in and stick butt out.

There are 2 books that I know my trainer uses but I've not bought them yet. She hhd others but these are only 2 I saw.

Low Back Disorders : http://www.amazon.com/Back-Disorders-Secon...d=3G2UJ4B53R08E

Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance : http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Back-Fitnes...d=3G2UJ4B53R08E

Stuart McGill is one of those gurus for back recovery. He works with normal people as well as elite athletes. He's also a bodybuilder himself.

One thing my trainer also mentioned : drink water. Spine gets dehydrated easily and it's tough to rehydrate it. That's why the inversion table is good. Another thing was to drink daily minimum of half my bodyweight. e.g. 100 pounds weight = 50 oz of water.

Have fun guys and hope you guys can heal your backs. smile.gif


Added on July 14, 2011, 7:05 amAn addon about McKenzie exercise from what my trainer mentioned : This move apparently helps to "push back" the herniation back into the spine. Herniation is the weakening of the spinal wall and this lump is coming out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBOp-ugJbTQ...715C18202F9E395

For my right herniation, I also turn right into a C-shaped position with hands and legs. Then I push up like that first and then go into the horizontal position for normal McKenzie pushups.

I also avoided all flexion(? well, no forward bending movement)-type of exercises because the disc may tear again.

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QUOTE(Kaffatsum @ May 31 2011, 12:46 PM)
I hate these threads. They make me scared to deadlift/squat/lift -_____-

OP, i agree with pedro. Recover first. You'll gain the mass back through muscle memory.
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"muscle memory", meaning it is easier to regain ?
i am facing this problem too

maintaining push up- should be fine for back bone rite:?
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QUOTE(hoxy @ Jul 14 2011, 09:27 AM)

~myremi, congrats on your ever improving condition. Good to know that you are one of the example of person not opting for surgery and go for practices as we discuss above (while in obese state too). Great determination! I cant imagine how much effort you put on. Your knowledge on taking care of back increase after injury right?  Wish you know all this before you have back injury right? Anyway, good luck on your recovery. Lift safe!

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The thing about the BMI is that it's such a funny indicator. I have a BMI of 32 and yet wearing size M clothing. Ah well.

Effort? It was a day at a time and a change at a time.

As for backcare, to be honest, I don't think I would have learnt about backcare until I met my trainer. Now, if I have a muscle sprain, I speak to her and she'll have some fancy move to stretch the muscle. I've never met anyone like her or seen another trainer / chiropracter / physiotherapist like her.
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What about maintaining muscle during leg injuries? Yesterday i was hit by car and fell down.. My toe nail pluck off.. Now i am having hard time to walk.. Not to mention go to the gym for 2 weeks.. So i think should be home gym this time... Is it safe to drink protein during this time? I am worried if i drink, my skin will look bad and swollen.. If i dont drink,my muscle will drop...
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QUOTE(The_Rock @ Jul 15 2011, 06:10 PM)
What about maintaining muscle during leg injuries? Yesterday i was hit by car and fell down.. My toe nail pluck off.. Now i am having hard time to walk.. Not to mention go to the gym for 2 weeks.. So i think should be home gym this time... Is it safe to drink protein during this time? I am worried if i drink, my skin will look bad and swollen.. If i dont drink,my muscle will drop...
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Where did you hear this nonsense?
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How much protein do you need during recovery from injury? 1.5g per lbs of bodyweight or lesser (eat like normal person) since you are not bodybuilding during that time?
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Jul 15 2011, 07:23 PM)
Where did you hear this nonsense?
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Protein comes with egg right? Egg can make our leg skin injuries get worse... Mention by government hospital doctor..
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post Nov 3 2016, 12:24 PM

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This is exactly what happened with me except I didn't need surgery. TS any update on recovery?
Wolger
post Nov 3 2016, 04:56 PM

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Wow old thread resurrected. And is this really proves bad form in deadlifting can lead to slipped disc?

How is TS faring now?
crazyvan
post Dec 12 2016, 12:41 PM

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This site can help.
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/how-to-maintain-muscle/

 

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