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hoimangkuk
post May 30 2011, 01:04 PM

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ayam jeles with this tered coz ayam the TS of previous tered... and it got nuke... sad.gif
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post May 30 2011, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 30 2011, 03:07 PM)
but samak only for removing najis.

alcohol is not najis, it kills germs. used in eletronics cleaner, listerine, and medical cleansing tools, which in turn used on humans. How la need to samak

But why need to go under imam?

why not just under Allah or Muhammad?  rclxub.gif

this is like once a catholic, cannot go into protestant or other denomination.
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only in malaysia said that anything alcohol = haram...

actually if u guys go researching, it is said that only alcohol that being use as food or drinks is haram...

if use for vaccine then it is halal because the main purpose are not for intoxicating...

then we actually will change imam if that imam teaching is the local practice...

for example, malaysian muslim is syafie... then we go to mekah, there practicing imam hambali's teaching... so we will use the imam hambali teaching....
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post May 30 2011, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(gemo @ May 30 2011, 07:02 PM)
JAKIM = HARAM !!! true story dude !!!
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JAKIM is a fail group ... I never admit that they is our representative for malaysian islamic... sad.gif
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post May 30 2011, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(zack85 @ May 30 2011, 07:07 PM)
JAKIM pun nowadays being politicized....
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yes... everything that is under government is being policitcied... thats why i hate politics... hehe
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post May 31 2011, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(iPod30gb @ May 31 2011, 12:50 AM)
ytday i went club. y i see somany muslim arH?
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this phrases can be compared with the phrases "y i see so many malaysians kenot sing negaraku ar?"
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post May 31 2011, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(vivakarna @ May 31 2011, 07:52 AM)
if we consume food which is marinated with wine, is it haram? Because as far as i know the alcohol contain vaporized when u cook d food and by the time u eat it, it's not intoxicated at all..
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but you cant confirm that it is 100% evaporated right???
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post May 31 2011, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 31 2011, 11:53 AM)
Yes it can

alcohol evaporates very quickly when expose to air. More so when you cook it

what is remained would be the residue of the wine, which is from grape extract and flavour.

learn science, not religion. helps save your life too, someday
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how can u surely know that the chef does not make the food half cook?

which basically not all the alcohol are evaporated...

and if possible give the chemical equation that prove that alcohol in marinated food are 100% evaporated...
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post May 31 2011, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 31 2011, 12:51 PM)
when the alcohol is already evaporated, how can you have any traces of alcohol left behind? and if so, how can there be any chemical equation left?  laugh.gif  doh.gif

confirm you are a mangkuk

you're thinking that ethanol would combine with the beef to become beefanol izzit?
AHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

study science la, mangkuk. religion will kill you you one day
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its not the beef im saying... it the spices... or u guys are marinating beef in 100% alcohol???? hmm.gif
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post May 31 2011, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(sickx @ May 31 2011, 01:33 PM)
duh.if there is a reaction between the spices and alcohol,the end result will no longer considered as alcohol anymore. doh.gif
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yes... but the new chemical is derived from alcohol... oh yes, unless it is chemically proven 100% that the new substances will not cause intoxication, then it will create doubt...

when there is a doubt, it is better to avoid it...


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post May 31 2011, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(tidus18 @ May 31 2011, 01:43 PM)
Guys, can any muslim pls explain in simple words. Im not islam, and i dont claim to know everything. So, my questions are:

1. Coming in contact with alcohol itself is haram? Or it becomes haram is you use it to intoxicate yourself?
I was under the impression its only haram if it intoxicates a muslim.

2. Perfume containing alcohol is Haram? If so, muslims cannot use them & they have to cleam themself 7 times. Right?

3. Why tapai is not haram? Drinking tapai water is also not haram. I have seen ppl eat tapai and having their face all flushed (muka jadi merah....) and claim feely dizzy. (But I would guess the content is definitely more than 0.01% as the alcohol taste is there. I have tasted both Malt drink which is declared more than 0.05% and tapai). From a layman's view like me who knows very little about Islamic rules, i would say tapai is definitely haram. Please explain.

4. Most medicine (cough mixtures etc) contains certain amount of alcohol. If coming in contact itself is not acceptable, this one also cannot accept right?

Guys, please don ask impossible situation questions like "You are in a desert with festering wound - which one will use to clean your wound - unclean water or alcohol). These questions dont help us to understand anything.
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1. Coming in contact with alcohol is not haram... it only become haram when use it for intoxication...

2. I dont know why in Malaysia its fall under haram... based on my readings and asking question with muslim scholar, they said if using alcohol other than intoxication, it is allowed...

3. Actually tapai has been discussed many times... some say haram, some say not... but IMO better muslim avoid it because it may change to have intoxication substances...

4. If using alcohol other than intoxication, for example medicine, it is allowed...
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post May 31 2011, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(tidus18 @ May 31 2011, 02:17 PM)
Thanks! So, i guess earlier posts are kinda true - JAKIM and Islam religion are being politicized.

Barbican or other malt drinks dont cause people to be intoxicated. Hence the current advice on avoidance on these drinks are unfounded right?
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if not sure, then better avoid it...

but if you are 100% sure that it not cause intoxicated even in large amount, then just do it biggrin.gif

because Islam is easy... politics make it hard... laugh.gif
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post May 31 2011, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(tidus18 @ May 31 2011, 02:26 PM)
If thats the case, drinking a glass of beer or less is ok? Provided it does not make you drunk?
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no... anything that will cause intoxicated in large amount, are not allowed...
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post May 31 2011, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 31 2011, 02:40 PM)
100% alcohol is unsafe for consumption, mangkuk. that sort of alcohol is only for industrial use.
Wine is somewhere around 10% to 20%. Most use for taste. Once cook it evaporates. And you can NEVER get intoxicated from it.
Same with ciggaretes, cough mixture, soy sauce. In large amount, anythign can be toxic.  laugh.gif 

Even water! over drinking will kill you. so yea, H2O is haram now.
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like i say before... if u does not have proper documentation, then it will cause DOUBT, anything that is doubtful, better avoid it...

ciggaretes is haram la...

cough mixture is use to cure cough, so its halal... y u x baca post b4??? unless it is puposely use to get high...

intoxication that we are talking here is about getting high... not about killng yourself doh.gif
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post May 31 2011, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 31 2011, 03:02 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication or overhydration

anything in large amount will kill.  smile.gif
Its all in chemistry books, mangkuk.

Like i say before, go study science, not your religion. You're getting stupider by your replies here. Basic alcohol reaction to heat = taktau. Wanna act smart?
Somemore ask for documentation? hahahaha

If you can consume LARGE amount if food cooked in wine, then go ahead. Till then, there have yet to be anyone getting intoxicated with food marinated/cooked in alcohol.
Unless of course, you pour the whole bottle in  rolleyes.gif  But thats not food anymore
You sure? Why no Syariah enforcement?
Wine too is to prevent cancer. Red wine is rich in antioxidants. So you're saying it one drinks wine not to get high, then its ok?
So its OK to kill yourself but not ok to get high?

Thats a champion.  laugh.gif
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even i use normal language u still not understand ke???

It is DOUBT... so people still dont know WHETHER its HARAM or NOT... so better avoid it...


proves that cigarettes is haram
http://www.e-fatwa.gov.my/fatwa-kebangsaan...pandangan-islam

no syariah enforcement because of POLITICS

if you drink wine JUST FOR MEDICINE PURPOSE ONLY , then allowed... but did you go buy wine just because to prevent cancer while there is other cheaper and better medicine that can cure cancer also?

kill your self is also haram... but have u ever see people try killing themself using H20?
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post May 31 2011, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 31 2011, 03:28 PM)
Doubt leads to IGNORANCE.

Thats why simple science you also wont know. coz its the easiest way out for you, to simply IGNORE because you're in doubt.
Then how come syariah enforcements on maksiat and pubs?

So now which rules Syariah. Allah rules, or politics rules.
Wine is cheap la mangkuk.
For RM30 to Rm50 you can get good red wine with rich antioxidants. Expensive ones are those for taste and duration of fermenting only. If its for health/medicinal purpose, dont need so expensive. In fact Yomeshu and DOM is well worth its money.
Sure.

Drowning while swimming also can get killed by H2O.
over consumption too.
But since u didnt see anyone killing themselves using H2O, i suppose youalso havent seen anyone intoxicating themselves with wine-marinated-beef ya  laugh.gif
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yes I admit I IGNORE it because theres a lot of other food that are not in DOUBT, unless im a scientist, why should i have been bothered to prove this halal?

as for maksiat and pub, POLITICS

of course Allah rules... but with corrupted leaders... faham2 sendiri sudah...

coffee is much more cheaper then wine right? anti-oxidant oso....

INTENTION is actually important

if u use H2O to drown yourself = haram
if u use H2O to drink because of thirst = halal
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post May 31 2011, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(ReAcTiVo @ May 31 2011, 03:33 PM)
then apa beza alcohol dan arak?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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alcohol = chemical / kimia

arak = any drink that will cause intoxication or high / apa2 minuman yg boleh memabukkan atau menghayalkan...
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post May 31 2011, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 31 2011, 03:44 PM)

Dont you think you will gain more in knowledge if you decide not to blindly ignore things?
yes I know... but I think it is better for me to focus more on my major... just FYI, if as this question to muslim scientist, it will become haram for them to ignore it...

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Undi untuk ubahhhh!
both pembangkang stupidity is too obvious... thats why i don support any party...

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Coffee is unhealthy la. Caffine. help you get more cancer, diabetes too.
same with wine and beer.

Drink coz its just a beverage (ie coke) and to get some alcohol to boost blood circulation and helps in health.
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but there is other anti-oxidant that is halal right... and other food that will boost blood circulation... so why bother drink beer and wine why there is other halal alternative?
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post May 31 2011, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 31 2011, 03:46 PM)
See, told you go study science, and not to give this crap

alcohol = ethanol, methanol, etc.

arak = distilled alcohol. or liquor. Higher concentration of alcohol compared to beer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arak_%28drink%29 - nah...muslims also drink Arak.  rclxms.gif
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ethanol, methanol = chemical right???

distilled alcohol. or liquor = will cause intoxication right?

dude, not all arab is muslim la... there is also christian and pagan...

QUOTE(typicalsite @ May 31 2011, 03:47 PM)
aih u guys, never argue with H4E la...

u sure butthurt in the end
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i want to have fun oso... biggrin.gif
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post May 31 2011, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 31 2011, 03:54 PM)
aiya, why depend on others? sendiri also must cari ilmu.
because i have other type of knowledge i want to focus more...

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Thats why BN keep winning majority. If support pembangkang even stupid also, BN would have to double up their effort and do more good deeds. Thats the point  icon_rolleyes.gif
Otherwise BN will think they are doing good job. lagi teruk
hahaha.. true true... but im afraid that if go support pembangkang then they win, malaysia will go much deeper sh*t... hehe laugh.gif

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Got so many la.

But thats not the point. Point is, beer/wine is just like H2O, knife, gun etc. Its in your hands. Jsut because you can abuse it dont make it haram/non-halal. Is your otak and hati not halal only. Not the product/tool. Humans like to blame everything but themselves.

Sendiri tersepak kerusi, marah je kerusi seolah olah ia boleh bergerak dan tendang kaki kita.
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guys like u and me ofcourse can handle... but because there are many people cant handle it, that why it much more easier to haram it...

because if u want to make it halal for people that can handle it, the guideline will be very vague...
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post May 31 2011, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ May 31 2011, 03:57 PM)
everything is chemical la. basic building block is carbon.

everything also can cause intoxication la. Even oxygen also if one breathes in too much (especially pure O2)

Arab majority muslim la. church also very hard to setup without kena kacau la. how ppl dare minum Arak. scary la.
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yes... but it will be just easier to say "another type of chemical"

yes, everything can cause intoxication... that why INTENTION is important...

yes, arab majority is muslim... but like in malaysia, people will back their religion just to have fun...


P/S: will reply late after this because got other things to do..

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