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post May 30 2011, 12:32 PM

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beteer drink 7-up, coz barbican taste just like that and overpriced too.
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post May 30 2011, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(rockstar_ @ May 30 2011, 12:34 PM)
Since in malaysia, most of muslims are shafie.. according to mazhab shafie, if anything that can cause 'syak wasangka', we must avoid it.. there is no calculative method to measure haram or halal..
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So cannot convert out of shafie?
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post May 30 2011, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(rockstar_ @ May 30 2011, 01:59 PM)
i also still not finish 'mengaji'.. as far as i know we muslim cannot simply jump from one imam to another..

i remembered when i was little, i accidently touch empty beer can during school gotong royong.. its nothing really, but my teacher forced me to 'samak' my hands, even it is not necessary.. 'intoxicating beverages' is a taboo in muslim world bcoz its one of 70 'big sin'.. thats y in mazhab shafie, we always 'play safe' with this kind of thing.. just say bye bye bye to barbican..
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but samak only for removing najis.

alcohol is not najis, it kills germs. used in eletronics cleaner, listerine, and medical cleansing tools, which in turn used on humans. How la need to samak

But why need to go under imam?

why not just under Allah or Muhammad? rclxub.gif

this is like once a catholic, cannot go into protestant or other denomination.
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post May 30 2011, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(rockstar_ @ May 30 2011, 03:45 PM)
hahah.. i'm no expert in agama things.. afaik, my mazhab is shafie.. and he told me to do it that way.. no big different between four mazhabs, they all told us to pray, puasa, zakat and haji.. different between those four is just in small2 matters only.. we all believe in Allah and Muhammad, we practicing what our Prophet told us.. all mazhabs say 'arak' is haram.. 'solat', puasa, haji is a must.. no need pening2la..  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif

my opinion also that alcohol itself is not najis.. the one that muslim consider as najis is 'arak', same like drugs, its can become harmful.. for muslim, 'arak' is considered as father of all sins.
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actually, if small small thing, then no need la so many mazhab. these can lead to disunity. lolz.

anyway, arak itself also cannot be najis. It itself has higher alcohol content, it kills germs. How can it simply be labeled as najis? Its not the father of all sins. The father of all sins are men's own ill intent. Arak is a tool. u can use it to clean, or to kill. If people use guns and sword to kill, causes death, then would guns and swords be najis?

the one that uses the arak determines its use for good or for evil.

yes?
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post May 30 2011, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(bugijun @ May 30 2011, 04:08 PM)
arak is considered father to all sin coz when u mabuk u cannot think and will prone to do more sins like zina/rape/murder/etc, sins that u will usually don't do when u are sober
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when u mabuk, u cant even get a proper erection.

you mean that all arak has some charm in it that plants sex and murder into all humans? why dont women rape men when they drink arak? doh.gif

QUOTE(Faidzal @ May 30 2011, 04:11 PM)
fixed.
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Arak = concentrated DISTILLED ethanol.

If beer is not najis coz, then why is arak, which is DISTILLED beer, najis?

the process of distillation kills all germs.

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post May 30 2011, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 30 2011, 05:01 PM)
Alcohol UNCLEAN??

wut kok toking? Ive seen bumper stickers saying 'WE ARE KALIFAH ALLAH' at the same time spewing APPARENTLY POISONOUS CARBON MONOXIDE to the air with their cars...

I mean ...talking about Schizoprenics!!!! HAHAHAHAHA
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not forgetting the torture of livestock animals before slaughtering them just for their stomach.
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post May 31 2011, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ May 31 2011, 09:43 AM)
but you cant confirm that it is 100% evaporated right???
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Yes it can

alcohol evaporates very quickly when expose to air. More so when you cook it

what is remained would be the residue of the wine, which is from grape extract and flavour.

learn science, not religion. helps save your life too, someday
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post May 31 2011, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ May 31 2011, 12:32 PM)
how can u surely know that the chef does not make the food half cook?

which basically not all the alcohol are evaporated...

and if possible give the chemical equation that prove that alcohol in marinated food are 100% evaporated...
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when the alcohol is already evaporated, how can you have any traces of alcohol left behind? and if so, how can there be any chemical equation left? laugh.gif doh.gif

confirm you are a mangkuk

you're thinking that ethanol would combine with the beef to become beefanol izzit?


AHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

study science la, mangkuk. religion will kill you you one day
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post May 31 2011, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ May 31 2011, 01:26 PM)
its not the beef im saying... it the spices... or u guys are marinating beef in 100% alcohol???? hmm.gif
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100% alcohol is unsafe for consumption, mangkuk. that sort of alcohol is only for industrial use.
Wine is somewhere around 10% to 20%. Most use for taste. Once cook it evaporates. And you can NEVER get intoxicated from it.

QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ May 31 2011, 02:30 PM)
no... anything that will cause intoxicated in large amount, are not allowed...
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Same with ciggaretes, cough mixture, soy sauce. In large amount, anythign can be toxic. laugh.gif

Even water! over drinking will kill you. so yea, H2O is haram now.
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post May 31 2011, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(tidus18 @ May 31 2011, 02:43 PM)
You have a point - cigarettes, cough mixture, soy sauce. In large amount, anything can be intoxicating. How do you classify these items?

H2O is i bit over la....right happy4ever?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication or overhydration

anything in large amount will kill. smile.gif

QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ May 31 2011, 02:47 PM)
like i say before... if u does not have proper documentation, then it will cause DOUBT, anything that is doubtful, better avoid it...

Its all in chemistry books, mangkuk.

Like i say before, go study science, not your religion. You're getting stupider by your replies here. Basic alcohol reaction to heat = taktau. Wanna act smart?
Somemore ask for documentation? hahahaha

If you can consume LARGE amount if food cooked in wine, then go ahead. Till then, there have yet to be anyone getting intoxicated with food marinated/cooked in alcohol.
Unless of course, you pour the whole bottle in rolleyes.gif But thats not food anymore

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ciggaretes is haram la...

You sure? Why no Syariah enforcement?

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cough mixture is use to cure cough, so its halal... y u x baca post b4??? unless it is puposely use to get high...

Wine too is to prevent cancer. Red wine is rich in antioxidants. So you're saying it one drinks wine not to get high, then its ok?

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intoxication that we are talking here is about getting high... not about killng yourself  doh.gif
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So its OK to kill yourself but not ok to get high?

Thats a champion. laugh.gif
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post May 31 2011, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ May 31 2011, 03:18 PM)
even i use normal language u still not understand ke???

It is DOUBT... so people still dont know WHETHER its HARAM or NOT... so better avoid it...

Doubt leads to IGNORANCE.

Thats why simple science you also wont know. coz its the easiest way out for you, to simply IGNORE because you're in doubt.

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proves that cigarettes is haram
http://www.e-fatwa.gov.my/fatwa-kebangsaan...pandangan-islam

no syariah enforcement because of POLITICS

Then how come syariah enforcements on maksiat and pubs?

So now which rules Syariah. Allah rules, or politics rules.

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if you drink wine JUST FOR MEDICINE PURPOSE ONLY , then allowed... but did you go buy wine just because to prevent cancer while there is other cheaper and better medicine that can cure cancer also?

Wine is cheap la mangkuk.
For RM30 to Rm50 you can get good red wine with rich antioxidants. Expensive ones are those for taste and duration of fermenting only. If its for health/medicinal purpose, dont need so expensive. In fact Yomeshu and DOM is well worth its money.

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kill your self is also haram... but have u ever see people try killing themself using H20?
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Sure.

Drowning while swimming also can get killed by H2O.
over consumption too.
But since u didnt see anyone killing themselves using H2O, i suppose youalso havent seen anyone intoxicating themselves with wine-marinated-beef ya laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kisya @ May 31 2011, 03:39 PM)
If u dun mind, may i ask your religion and do u drinks?
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religion of sex and I drink semen from boys.

QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ May 31 2011, 03:40 PM)
yes I admit I IGNORE it because theres a lot of other food that are not in DOUBT, unless im a scientist, why should i have been bothered to prove this halal?

Dont you think you will gain more in knowledge if you decide not to blindly ignore things?

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as for maksiat and pub, POLITICS

of course Allah rules... but with corrupted leaders... faham2 sendiri sudah...

Undi untuk ubahhhh!

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coffee is much more cheaper then wine right? anti-oxidant oso....

Coffee is unhealthy la. Caffine. help you get more cancer, diabetes too.

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INTENTION is actually important

if u use H2O to drown yourself = haram
if u use H2O to drink because of thirst = halal
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same with wine and beer.

Drink coz its just a beverage (ie coke) and to get some alcohol to boost blood circulation and helps in health.
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post May 31 2011, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ May 31 2011, 03:41 PM)
alcohol = chemical / kimia

arak = any drink that will cause intoxication or high / apa2 minuman yg boleh memabukkan atau menghayalkan...
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See, told you go study science, and not to give this crap

alcohol = ethanol, methanol, etc.

arak = distilled alcohol. or liquor. Higher concentration of alcohol compared to beer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arak_%28drink%29 - nah...muslims also drink Arak. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(typicalsite @ May 31 2011, 03:47 PM)
aih u guys, never argue with H4E la...

u sure butthurt in the end
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i wan drink u kao kao. come sayang.
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post May 31 2011, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ May 31 2011, 03:50 PM)
yes I know... but I think it is better for me to focus more on my major... just FYI, if as this question to muslim scientist, it will become haram for them to ignore it...

aiya, why depend on others? sendiri also must cari ilmu.

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both pembangkang stupidity is too obvious... thats why i don support any party...

Thats why BN keep winning majority. If support pembangkang even stupid also, BN would have to double up their effort and do more good deeds. Thats the point icon_rolleyes.gif
Otherwise BN will think they are doing good job. lagi teruk

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but there is other anti-oxidant that is halal right...  and other food that will boost blood circulation... so why bother drink beer and wine why there is other halal alternative?
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Got so many la.

But thats not the point. Point is, beer/wine is just like H2O, knife, gun etc. Its in your hands. Jsut because you can abuse it dont make it haram/non-halal. Is your otak and hati not halal only. Not the product/tool. Humans like to blame everything but themselves.

Sendiri tersepak kerusi, marah je kerusi seolah olah ia boleh bergerak dan tendang kaki kita.
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QUOTE(hoimangkuk @ May 31 2011, 03:54 PM)
ethanol, methanol = chemical right???

distilled alcohol. or liquor = will cause intoxication right?

dude, not all arab is muslim la... there is also christian and pagan...
i want to have fun oso...  biggrin.gif
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everything is chemical la. basic building block is carbon.

everything also can cause intoxication la. Even oxygen also if one breathes in too much (especially pure O2)

Arab majority muslim la. church also very hard to setup without kena kacau la. how ppl dare minum Arak. scary la.
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post May 31 2011, 04:42 PM

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no more flame war?

boring. kthxbye

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