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post Jun 11 2011, 03:02 PM

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I think with us signing Jones who was not originally planned may have something to do with us accepting Sunderland's offer for O'Shea. We might need to balance our finances a bit for us to pursue a midfielder maybe. But it's up to O'Shea to decide whether he wants to move or not. Could do like Solskjaer did in 98 and becoming our hero forever after that.

I think looking at Brown's age and how many games he got last season, SAF is thinking more for Brown's sake rather than us. We have enough bodies in the middle and at RB. SAF won't stand in the way of players if they want more regular games.
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post Jun 11 2011, 03:21 PM

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I think if Scholes stayed on for another year, SAF won't make moves to sign someone to play in the middle and wait for Ando to grow into that role, and give Gibson chances to impress. Scholes can't and won't be played in all games so that will give chances, limited as it may be to Gibson and the others. But seeing that Scholes is gone, and Ando still not quite there, we'll buy a safe option to plug the gap. I don't see us splashing the cash for the likes of Modric, Sneijder though. If they cost around 20m, maybe.
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Jun 11 2011, 03:04 PM)
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Yes, definitely for Brown's sake. At least, that's what I think. For Oshea, I believe he still can offer us something, fullbacks mostly. We got a young defenders lineup, so he could offer us the experience.
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I'd keep O'Shea just for that reason. He can still have a part to play even if he's behind the others in the pecking order. If Brown & O'Shea goes, we're left with Rio, Vida and Evra as the seniors. Jones 19, Smalling 22, Evans 23, Twins 21 and if we end up signing De Gea(21), that's a very young set of defenders and GK. As good as they are, it's still too early to put our trust in them to play together regularly(Rio's injury concerns, and god help us if Vida and Evra are out for a couple of months together at the same time).

De Gea 20m, Young 16m, Jones 16m(not suppose to come this window).. and we still haven't brought in anyone for our most pressing need. Just like what happened in 98 after we spent so much on Stam, Yorke and Blomqvist, the club may want to recoup some money back.


Added on June 11, 2011, 3:41 pm
QUOTE(SGSuser @ Jun 11 2011, 03:27 PM)
and the wage structure too is a problem...i dont think a player like Sneijder would settle for anythg less than a hundred thousand per week..if these 3, De Gea PJ and Young do come, then imo another signing is unlikely...Varane's link has also gone cold now...maybe, just maybe we can finally see some reserves break into the first team  rclxm9.gif


Added on June 11, 2011, 3:28 pm
i think theirs is 16mil + add ons become 20mil...but Henderson's age is 20 and PJ is 19, so he is not in the "teen" category anymore  laugh.gif
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With us getting Jones, I'd be very surprised if we follow up on our interest in Varane.

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Added on June 11, 2011, 3:43 pmGiggs, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson

Reserve: James, Norwood
Academy: Pogba, Morrison, Tuncliffe..

Hoho, no better timing for those young CMs to break through.

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post Jun 11 2011, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Jun 11 2011, 03:59 PM)
Where's Cleverly? All of the youngster, I would like to see him play the most!
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He'll be wing/AM.
Those guys will play in the middle(2 CMs partnership).
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post Jun 11 2011, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jun 11 2011, 06:05 PM)
why some ppl say its consider splashing the cash or overpriced if we sign modric or sneijder but its okay for 20million young? lol. both modric and sneijder is worth the extra 5-10million if 20million for young is considered 'okay'.

priority is in the middle of the park, we have enough wingers even if we dont sign Young. Alot of players are fast, but not all have the football brain and energy to play in the middle of the park IMHO.
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It doesn't matter what we normal fans think about how much players would cost because our club don't do signings above 30m. Fahct. We might in the future for that one special player, but the signs are is that we are very careful with how much we can spend on players. While SAF is given a free reign on whoever he wants to sign, there's a limit to how much he can spend on a particular player. Go above 30m and we usually steer clear.
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QUOTE(mhyug @ Jun 11 2011, 06:15 PM)
and all this were assuming from the gaffers word were "interested".weve had players turning us down on the 11th in the past so this isnt confirmed either.besides i think if this one doesnt work, the gaffer must have back up plans, fail to plan is planning to fail.

fingers crossed he is deflecting just to get some peace for the u21 tourney.

as for our reserve lads, pogba, morrison and many all have talent but they are not ready yet.cleverly, wellbeck, kiko and diouf are the ones we'ill see more and more next season imo with spaces opening tho none of the slots in defence kohkoh biggrin.gif bebe obertan needs time away from the club, its a right of passage these days for youths.if they are not with a senior team, we can train them more then 2 hrs, another befit of getting a loan.

as for pogba, morrison and the others next season will be their "intro" season starting with the league cup.they may look ready now, but the playing field isnt the same at the moment tho they are knocking all the right doors.
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Nobody else is coming in for him. Those two big ones in Spain already have their good GKs. So there's no worry someone might potong q to get him. He's changing agent(to Mendes, Ronaldo's agent) at the end of this month. That's why he's not talking much about it in public. Again I feel he's already made up his mind and we already know about it. We've approached him a while back, so it's not like he doesn't have time to make up his mind. A couple of weeks is plenty enough.

Giggs, Fletcher, Carrick, Ando and some-new-cm will be first choice. So those guys can make the bench sometimes and play in the cup games now and then. That's what I meant by giving chances to them. Around 5-10 games will be plenty enough in their first season with the first team. Welbeck got 13 appearances when he was 19. And next season they'll both be 19. It's about time they're gonna get a taste in the first team. Morrison is gonna rock our world. Trust me on that one.

QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jun 11 2011, 06:21 PM)
yea, i think thats why he's worth 20million. but if young at 20million already considered 'terrific signing' (quoting someone), i see modric or sneijder at 25million to be super-worth-the-money signing  rclxms.gif

oh, also, maybe SAF will wait for the U21 games to end, then see whether got other gems to sign  brows.gif
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25m? Their clubs won't even answer us if we made a starting bid that much. Offer them 30m and they will start to nego the price. Around 35m is what we're looking at for them. Tottenham is gonna bleed us dry again, especially now they're in a stronger position and want to get back into CL.
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QUOTE(pyroboy1911 @ Jun 11 2011, 10:27 PM)
Alexis Sanchez - personal call
Young - deals agreed
Nasri - interested in joining us
Modric - this one still unsure
De Gea - just a matter of time
Phil Jones.  - done medical

whoa lots of new faces next season! at least 5.
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I'll be happy with just those 3. While we need a CM, I feel we're not gonna get a star there even though we need one right now with Scholes retired. Get another CM at Carrick/A.Valencia level and I'll be happy with that. Good players at their respective teams, but hardly everyone dreams about signing. It's finally Ando's time to shine regularly if he steer clear of injuries.

We didn't get a star back then when Beckham, Keano, Ruud, C.Ronaldo left. We replaced Beckham with Ole and signing C.R.(although we failed to get Ronaldinho). We tried to get Senna but changed our mind to get Hargreaves to replace Keane, along with Carrick. We didn't replaced Ruud. We got A.Valencia to replace C.Ronaldo even though we got 80m from Real. With Scholes? Time will tell. Do remember we already have Ando who SAF thought back then would take over from Scholes in due time.

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QUOTE(mhyug @ Jun 11 2011, 11:00 PM)
its not org ptg que that im referring man.besides it wont need a top club for him, he is already a spaniard that says volume about moving to english.plus agent these days is no bearing.they may well be the source of unwanted stuffs.

well we see la what happends.im highly sceptical bcoz he is spaniard thats all.if he were other nationality aku pun rasa konpiden sket.
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True about that. That Jesus Navas of Sevilla even had to bring his mum so that he could go to the WC with Spain from what I read. laugh.gif But I'm confident enough about this one. We've not even announce anything yet for A.Young and P.Jones even though they've passed the medical and and what not.

QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 11 2011, 11:02 PM)
very very excited by the prospect of nasri joining us.
young , good looking ,creative and can score beautiful goals too

if things goes smoothly and if indeed could be finalise , hope he'll get the no7 jersey
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Doubt it. We don't usually change the squad # unless the # is free. M.Owen is gonna stay for another season at least. That #7 might go to Morrison if he's special enough. hohoho, I'm gonna be a muppet for him. nod.gif

As for us signing Nasri, I doubt it's gonna happen. Remember what we did when Heinze wanted to move to Liverpool and how hard it was for the A.Cole/Gallas swap to happen finally? If he's a lesser player then maybe they would do deal like us selling them Silvestre. Stranger things have happened I guess but I still can't see it happening. Would be a good signing for us though. Already knows the league, in his last year of contract so won't be 'that' expensive(still gonna cost 20m+), can comfortably play in CM, very good player. That Morrison kid of ours is gonna be in the same mould. Good at dribbling so can be effective out wide, but also got a football brain and not selfish to play in the middle. Morrison is gonna be a star. whistling.gif


Added on June 11, 2011, 11:30 pm
QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 11 2011, 11:02 PM)
beaten and made to look like skoolkids by barca ,especially in midfields the past two ucl final has taken a heavy toll on me

neville and scholes have know when to stop playing. when will giggs and even carrick follow suit

SAF can be too sentimental at times
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Carrick is only 29(30 next month).
And Giggs got like 12 assists and 4 goals last season. Tell us a better winger that has end product like that, regularly.

Only an idiot thinks that just because a player is 30+, that means they should retire immediately.

Gary retired because his body can no longer cope. He was struggling with injuries after injuries and it was obvious his performance level dropped badly. As for Scholes he retiredbecause he doesn't enjoy it as much anymore especially lately where he was no longer a regular. As for Giggsy, it was clear as night and day that his physical level and performance is still at a very good level. Glad he stayed on because we have needed him. And with Scholes gone, we need him even more until Ando find his feet. As long as his performance is good, who cares how old he is.

As for us being schooled by Barca, it's no shame. They are one of the greatest club side ever. We've come 2nd to them, and it's no shame at all. We are better than the rest aside from them.

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QUOTE(choy89 @ Jun 11 2011, 11:37 PM)
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what about Khairul Fahmi?
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Tom Cleverley wants to save Manchester United cash put aside for replacing Paul Scholes.
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Reds boss Sir Alex Ferguson is planning major surgery on his midfield following the retirement of Scholes and Owen Hargreaves' release. Aston Villa's £15m England winger-cum-forward Ashley Young is set to be imported as part of the strategy and United fans are hoping that the stellar signing of Inter Milan's Wesley Sneijder comes off.

But 21-year-old Cleverley is aiming to build a case for his name to be in the frame. The midfielder begins England Under 21s European Championship bid in Denmark against Spain and, after a successful season on loan at Wigan, hopes to remind Fergie that he can cut it in the competitive jungle of the Reds engine room next season.

“Paul Scholes' boots are very big ones to fill,” Tom told M.E.N Sport. “He's been a winner and a great player. Any team is going to miss a player of that ability. But as always somebody has to step up. You hope that given the chance you can, along with everyone else, give something so he is not missed as much. “I hope I can put my case forward and save the club some money. Wigan have helped me and I feel I am ready to tackle the job at United.

“I have spoken to the manager. We have had two or three discussions. They were good chats and he will be speaking to me again after the European Championships. “I know United will be buying players this summer. The reality is that United are the biggest club in the world so they are going to be interested in the best. “They will be linked with players and they will buy top players. You grow up at the club knowing that will be the case. That is part of the challenge. “But we all know the manager promotes young home grown players so you have to show you are good enough. After the experiences at Wigan I know what it takes now at Premier League level. I want to be part of the manager's plans.”

In a bid to improve his Old Trafford portfolio Cleverley was a keen student at Wembley when United were taken apart by Barcelona in the Champions League final.

“As a United player and fan it wasn't a great experience at Wembley but as part of my education it was a massive lesson for me,” added Tom. “From my point of view to study at close quarters Messi, Xavi and Iniesta was invaluable. Messi is wonderful but I think I can model my game on Xavi and Iniesta and also Pedro. “The movement from those guys is incredible. They are not massive physically but they stay on the ball. They shield it so well. They used their body brilliantly. “I need to get that into my game. My upper body strength has to be better but it is not all about working out in the gym it is also about how you use your body. “They also out think opponents and that is something else I need to learn from them. “Hopefully picking up those bits and bobs plus all the experience I will get at the European Championships will mean I will be a better player and ready for the challenge at United.”

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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Jun 12 2011, 01:15 AM)
i think they in doubt how man utd so "lucky" to noe the exact amount of release clause
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QUOTE(tzxsean @ Jun 12 2011, 01:45 AM)
the terms of contract should be confidential ..right? unsure.gif
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There were 5 clubs according to Harry Redknapp who went for him. They all likely bid for around the same amount. We might just got lucky you know? How the hell are they gonna prove we know about the clause? They put a camera on David Gill's forehead and inserted a microphone inside his ass?

Their stupid owners is just butthurt they are losing him for just that amount. Considering they sacked Allardyce and said they wanted to turn Blackburn Rovers into a team that regularly plays in the CL, they went on to appoint a coach with no managerial experience and only gave him 5m for transfers. Either they are real idiots or think people are stupid enough to be fooled by them.
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I can't believe that we go behind their back before we got their blessings. Our club won't make that kind of mistake, not when the whole world is waiting for us to make mistakes so they can burn us to the ground.
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Jones will be finally ours. Those ITKs on twitter saying it's done and that Liverpool tried with a higher bid to get him but Jones already agreed a fee with us.

Just have to wait and see whether it's true this time or not.
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Nope. The decision lies with the player. And the player obviously rejected the others and agreed to join us. He has a release clause, and it has been met by us. Nothing Blackburn can do now but watch.


Added on June 12, 2011, 9:49 amhohoho.


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Added on June 12, 2011, 9:51 amI heard you guys were also interested in Young.

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His current club don't have a say in it unless stated otherwise in the contract saying if another club offered more from team a, team a have to match that bid to get the player. Usually from what I know, once the clause is met, it doesn't matter if team b,c,d etc offered more because all the bids will be accepted as long as it reached the minimum requirement(more than 16m in this case) and then it's up to the player to decide which team he wants to go to.
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QUOTE(imran424 @ Jun 13 2011, 01:27 PM)
Jones plays what position last night. from soccernet it looks like a 5-3-2?
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CB alongside Smalling. It was 442, Welbeck upfront, Cleverley RW.
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QUOTE(dundermifflin @ Jun 13 2011, 11:51 AM)
im quiet baffling if United continue bidding 20-24 mil GBP for Jones, after SAF talked much about value last few seasons. but SAF know the best. maybe Jones are promising /young enough to be mould as DM /destroyer.

as far as i know, Jones is very smart defender like Ferdinand, great positional sense, smart tackler, but not really a ball player.. also not a hard tackler like Vidic. his size is average compare to others English CB.

a CB not an urgent reinforcement we need. Ferdinand might be crock, but Smalling and Evans are good enough to deputies Vidic /Ferdinand.

but maybe SAF have massive transfer kitty we dont know about (or it might coming from potential new owner /investor)
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Seeing from reports that he hoofed the ball quite a bit in that game compared to Smalling who always pass it to feet, I guess he's more comfortable playing as a defender.

As for the value bit, even if we bought him for more than 20m, it will be good value considering he's 19 years old and will be pretty much almost guaranteed to stay with us the majority of his career as long as we're amongst the top dog in the league. 10-15 years with us.. When SAF talk about value, it means those crazy 25-50m+ for practically anyone who's good out there. But it seems that he has a release clause of just 16.5m or so, so it's a fair price for a talented English kid who every of the top English teams were after.

It's not an urgent reinforcement, but SAF have never shy away from a talented player especially if he's British/Irish even if we have a couple of players already in the position he plays in is. It was the same with Rooney when we already had Ruud, Saha, Forlan(left that same season), Smith at the club that time with us playing the majority of time with only one striker up front. We were happy to let him stay at Everton for another year at least, but Newcastle made a bid and forced our hands. Funnily enough that time we also needed a midfielder to take over from Keane. Will the same happen this time round?

We lost quite a bit of our English contingent this summer, so that's why we're after him and Young even though we already have plenty of options in their positions. Plus it looks like Brown and O'Shea is gonna be off as well. SAF won't stay that long with us looking at his signings. He's preparing to leave to the new guy a good talented young team.

SAF have been saving for this time I guess. We've not really spent a lot these past few years plus we still got a lot of that Ronaldo money left. That's where the money is coming from. We're not done yet, but expect some sales as well(Gibson, Brown and O'Shea plus maybe a couple more).
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Jun 12 2011, 10:48 PM)
If we sign Young, I think it's fine if we do not sign Modric or Sneijder. Giggs can move to centre while Nani and Young can fight for left side position. Cleverly can be used ala Anderson last season. Anderson needs to step up and become a prominent figure for our centre midfield next season. Carrick still can play.

So, we got Carrick, Giggs, Anderson, and Cleverly there. Rooney can drop deep as well. Not as good as what we all have been wishing for, but good enough for me.
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Only problem is that Cleverley is not a CM. AM he's fine, but he's no natural CM, not yet anyways. Hardly plays there. Mostly used wide left. If we use 3 CMs, he'll okay. I think we'll sign a CM with us losing 3 guys playing there. But won't be surprised if SAF don't and put his trust in the likes of Morrison, Tuncliffe and Pogba to provide cover if he feels one of them is special enough. But it might be too soon for that.

QUOTE(mhyug @ Jun 12 2011, 11:08 PM)
fuhh closing the deal with £20m not sure what to say but were either that desperate, or weve couldnt care less or last but not least all is just press writing what they dont know.

the plot is yet to be fully exposed we will see what happens, and i doubt were paying the £20m..some how it doesnt feel like fergie.
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Agree, I doubt we're paying 20m if the clause is 16m. SAF can be stubborn at times and once he wants a player, he will try at all cost as long as it doesn't reach the limit set by the club.

QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jun 13 2011, 12:31 AM)
before Glazer take over : 9.6M per season spending
after Glazer take over : 2.4M per season

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That is net spend or just buying figure?

It shows they've been shrewd in transfers considering the amount of success since then. biggrin.gif
1m VDS, 5m Evra, 7m Vidic, 7m Chicharito, 10m Smalling(expensive at the time, but his performance have been very good so far), the twins 2-3m..

QUOTE(roti-terbakar @ Jun 13 2011, 08:03 AM)
Easy, we're actually paying the extra 4 mil for vaselines, to keep other teams from butthurted. but i think they're butthurted already. hmm. rolleyes.gif
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One red team already butthurt to the max. Hehehe.


QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jun 13 2011, 04:24 PM)
How come no more news on charlie adams? Everyone give up dy? biggrin.gif
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Liverpool got him in the bag already. SAF kesian we already hijack Young and Jones from them, so give chance lah.

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As for P.Jones transfer.. last I heard was that Blackburn was trying hard to include Diouf into the deal as well but obviously SAF wanted to keep him so that Sheep will continue to help us jinx our opponents for the foreseeable future. Won't be surprised if he got the #9 jersey once we swap Berbatov for Modric!.


Added on June 13, 2011, 4:42 pmWe should break the bank for Wilshere. If that fails, get Ramsey. Throw Brown and O'Shea to Arsenal to plug their leaky defence. Tell them we would gladly take Almunia as well from them for free. I'm sure they can't wait to see the back of him. We could do with an experience backup to De Gea and would help De Gea settles into the club. Win win.

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Jun 13 2011, 05:02 PM)
Maybe, but game nowadays if you can play AM, you probably can play CM as well although you will need to adjust a little bit. But you are right that he needs more time. I hope he can play once a while next season and impress us. If you look at his goals for Wigan/reserve/Watford, they all came from middle of the penalty box. Plus his physical and body language looks like younger Scholes! thumbup.gif


Added on June 13, 2011, 5:07 pmI seriously hope that Cleverly, Welback, Macheda can make the grades alongside the twins and Smalling next 2 seasons. If this happen, we might see another Fergie Fledgling v2. biggrin.gif
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In a 3 CM setup, probably, but in a 2 CM setup it will take more than just time. He's not your classic winger who hug the line, or run at the fullbacks with the ball.. but he's more like Park roam all over the place. His movement is very good, and his touch and passing is pretty good as well. He's not flashy, but he's gonna be really effective for whoever he plays. Always make something happens in the final third. In time he'll probably be converted there in CM, but in the meantime he'll be used more in an attacking position be it wing or in front of the CMs.

I have my doubts about Macheda, but Cleverley and Welbeck have a chance. Morrison and Pogba hopefully will play some part in the cup games. Morrison could go all the way.

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