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post May 26 2011, 11:21 PM

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Now I almost can compare which one is poor lens bokeh and expensive lens bokeh... this is no good to me sad.gif

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ May 26 2011, 10:59 PM)
aiya just follow instruction from them can edi if they wan you take out something.
nice mid valley  brows.gif
manual PP bokeh canot ar?  hmm.gif  rolleyes.gif
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post May 27 2011, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(vearn27 @ May 26 2011, 10:33 PM)
And I bring my replies here as well:
Well, it could be done by editing them to add Active D-Lighting, but that's lot of hassle to do it that way. When shooting raw, features such as Active D-Lighting and Noise Reduction will not be applied on the image? I'm not so sure about this but many said these are useless because they shoot RAW. Or by mean they can adjust everything after shooting via editing? Isn't JPEG can also be edited? I'm clueless about this.

I think I gotta practise more on this flash dispersing to see the effect myself, but I'm yet to fire my flash for the first time due to my workload this week. Arghhh!!! The day to shoot is just around the corner and I have done nothing yet.

Andy214, how you usually use your flashgun? Without diffuser? With bounce card most of the time and flashing side wall?
Thanks aldo smile.gif
Thanks for the information seng87, this is very useful else I might get panicked knowing what happening. Gotta flip through the manual before this weekend.
How about Harmolattice 2500mAh by Sanyo also using Eneelop engineering? Would that be recommended too?
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Thanks for bringing, I thought wanna copy then saw you bring here already.

Yes, shooting RAW means unedited, RAW; The picture control, noise reduction all is not applied. JPEG is the edited copy based on what settings you set; When PP, RAW gives you more flexibility/possibilities; You can try shoot RAW+JPEG. Then load both picture in editing software like Lightroom and see the difference as you adjust. With RAW, it's better especially adjusting white balance.
For starting, you can try shooting RAW+JPEG, then you can try to PP your RAW file to match the JPEG output or make it better. The JPEG output can be used as reference, and actually can be useful for immediate use.

If there's wall/ceiling, I prefer flashing off the wall, but if I move around, I will be busy twisting the flash head because the effect it will effect the image when bouncing from different side; Try and play around with it and notice the difference; But when capturing moments, you might not have the time to keep adjusting because you need to be fast; The most basic is bounce off ceiling and don't really need adjustment. Even bouncing off the ceiling, you can still create some better effects by bouncing it slightly to the sides actually... but overall it will affect the overall light.

I seldom shoot outdoor at night or without ceiling, so not so big issue; but previously I use bigger bounce card to soften the flash. As for diffuser, personally I don't like the output result, but lit up more area and is more powerful. It's best you try it yourself and choose what's best you want to use.
For your wedding, there will be ceiling and walls around mostly; For the restaurant, unless it's a big hall which the ceiling is very high up, you should still be able to bounce the light; If not you can try experiment with the flash/bounce card or diffuser and choose which you prefer, or try the "Demb Diffuser Pro".

Just my cheap 2 shutter clicks. Anybody care to share or add on or correct anything I said wrongly, please do share.

EDITED:
Here's a sample bouncing off the ceiling, but slightly to the other sides; It gives a different effect, but also affected the overall lightings available. If bouncing straight up or slightly front, the effect is again different and there will also be more light. It all comes down to your preference and how you want the picture to turn out.
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post May 27 2011, 12:34 AM

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Sup Nikon fan boyssss =)

Hey, I just tested my friend's newly bought D5100. I really love the vari-angle monitor but it's kinda fragile to me. It feels like it will break off anytime.

Other than this, I can feel the body is really compact and light even with a recording ability comparing to D3100. The bad thing, I don't like the shutter sound =(

That's all.
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QUOTE(Beanie2304 @ May 27 2011, 12:34 AM)
Sup Nikon fan boyssss =)

Hey, I just tested my friend's newly bought D5100. I really love the vari-angle monitor but it's kinda fragile to me. It feels like it will break off anytime.

Other than this, I can feel the body is really compact and light even with a recording ability comparing to D3100. The bad thing, I don't like the shutter sound =(

That's all.
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Does it worth for money? I'm planning to get D5100 next month. Budget only 3k. Any recommendation other than this camera?
Also, the shutter sound is caused by the lense or the camera itself? Newbie here
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QUOTE(linuss @ May 27 2011, 12:38 AM)
Does it worth for money? I'm planning to get D5100 next month. Budget only 3k. Any recommendation other than this camera?
Also, the shutter sound is caused by the lense or the camera itself? Newbie here
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Most of the new camera they have a more quieter and "compressed" shutter sound. But it won't affect your photo shoot.

In my opinion, if you are getting your first DSLR, you can try the D5100 or D3100. I believe the price of D3100 will be lower than D5100. =)

Worth for money, kinda. Light weight, vari-angle monitor and decent sensor. But I wouldn't say it's the best for Entry-level camera
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QUOTE(Beanie2304 @ May 27 2011, 12:54 AM)
Most of the new camera they have a more quieter and "compressed" shutter sound. But it won't affect your photo shoot.

In my opinion, if you are getting your first DSLR, you can try the D5100 or D3100. I believe the price of D3100 will be lower than D5100. =)

Worth for money, kinda. Light weight, vari-angle monitor and decent sensor. But I wouldn't say it's the best for Entry-level camera
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If I'm not wrong, D7000 is the best entry level camera from Nikon right?
so you mean the shutter sound actually comes from the body itself, not the lense?
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Never having this problem before, they never ask me to take off my laptop from my bag. I always take my laptop overseas when I come back to my country


Ahh, meaning should i just leave my lappie in the bag and let it scan thru unless they personally ask me to take it out ? I mean since it'll have to scan no matter what anyway... smile.gif
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QUOTE(linuss @ May 27 2011, 12:57 AM)
If I'm not wrong, D7000 is the best entry level camera from Nikon right?
so you mean the shutter sound actually comes from the body itself, not the lense?
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D7000 should be mid range for me...because got TOP LCD?
if you got budget then go for D7000, because after you learn that you will find the button on the body in D7000 is VERY USEFUL for fast setting for shutter speed, iso, apeture , white balance, metering etc... icon_idea.gif


Added on May 27, 2011, 1:05 am
QUOTE(C_Sagi @ May 27 2011, 01:03 AM)
Ahh, meaning should i just leave my lappie in the bag and let it scan thru unless they personally ask me to take it out ? I mean since it'll have to scan no matter what anyway... smile.gif
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if they call you strip your bag then you strip for them la, if they dun then just pretend dunno whistling.gif

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post May 27 2011, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(elainor @ May 26 2011, 10:31 PM)
i got mine for rm450 last time...
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When and where was it you got the BG? I checked with Yannick and he's offering me at RM450 too. Pro Images from Malacca offering RM420 but kinda impossible for me to go there biggrin.gif

Any other place got lower offering and I can check with? smile.gif

QUOTE(Andy214 @ May 27 2011, 12:17 AM)
Thanks for bringing, I thought wanna copy then saw you bring here already.

Yes, shooting RAW means unedited, RAW; The picture control, noise reduction all is not applied. JPEG is the edited copy based on what settings you set; When PP, RAW gives you more flexibility/possibilities; You can try shoot RAW+JPEG. Then load both picture in editing software like Lightroom and see the difference as you adjust. With RAW, it's better especially adjusting white balance.
For starting, you can try shooting RAW+JPEG, then you can try to PP your RAW file to match the JPEG output or make it better. The JPEG output can be used as reference, and actually can be useful for immediate use.

If there's wall/ceiling, I prefer flashing off the wall, but if I move around, I will be busy twisting the flash head because the effect it will effect the image when bouncing from different side; Try and play around with it and notice the difference; But when capturing moments, you might not have the time to keep adjusting because you need to be fast; The most basic is bounce off ceiling and don't really need adjustment. Even bouncing off the ceiling, you can still create some better effects by bouncing it slightly to the sides actually... but overall it will affect the overall light.

I seldom shoot outdoor at night or without ceiling, so not so big issue; but previously I use bigger bounce card to soften the flash. As for diffuser, personally I don't like the output result, but lit up more area and is more powerful. It's best you try it yourself and choose what's best you want to use.
For your wedding, there will be ceiling and walls around mostly; For the restaurant, unless it's a big hall which the ceiling is very high up, you should still be able to bounce the light; If not you can try experiment with the flash/bounce card or diffuser and choose which you prefer, or try the "Demb Diffuser Pro".

Just my cheap 2 shutter clicks. Anybody care to share or add on or correct anything I said wrongly, please do share.

EDITED:
Here's a sample bouncing off the ceiling, but slightly to the other sides; It gives a different effect, but also affected the overall lightings available. If bouncing straight up or slightly front, the effect is again different and there will also be more light. It all comes down to your preference and how you want the picture to turn out.
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In fact, I should thanks you instead for keep sharing your thoughts and guidance with me biggrin.gif

I have been shooting in RAW since the day I bought it. Thankfully I picked the 16GB SanDisk Extreme else the capacity really insufficient. The other day I helped my friend to capture the backscene of her wedding photography and almost filling 80% up by just RAW and without JPEG. Anyway, I only imported the RAW into Adobe LR and then let the Auto-Tone do the job. I'm yet to learn on how to edit the photo properly being so many bars I can drag the values. Here is one of my random luck playing with Develop in LR:

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I have no idea what I did, but the outcome really surprising me laugh.gif

By any chance you guys really developing the photos one by one or just selected photos to develop? I still rely on the AWB and Adobe LR auto-tone to do the magic for me sweat.gif

Hmm... on a side note, I actually collected the KelbyTraining - Working with Nikon SB-900 series and Nikon's A Hands On Guide to Creative Lighting videos long ago before I get my DSLR. I'm yet to watch them both, but I guess I'll at least go through the Kelby's to get the idea for my practising and the Nikon's guide only when I mastered the basic.

Thanks again for sharing how you do for your flashgun usage, I shall keep them as reference when I'm doing my practising tomorrow or on Saturday smile.gif

Beside the flashgun, I think I'll be getting the BG too for my D7000 as I often take more portrait photo than landscape. Regarding the BG, if I'm attaching the BG to the body, I can just move the battery into the BG's slot and leaving the body's one empty? unsure.gif

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QUOTE(linuss @ May 27 2011, 12:38 AM)
Does it worth for money? I'm planning to get D5100 next month. Budget only 3k. Any recommendation other than this camera?
Also, the shutter sound is caused by the lense or the camera itself? Newbie here
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Personal opinion:
If you're really looking into DSLR, then it's worth, but then, if you're getting serious, you might want to consider a body with more controls. And you will need to start "investing" later on.

If you're looking for a good camera which have good performance like a DSLR, simple and easy to use, less "problems", less "maintenance", less investment or little. You might want to consider something else, such as those current mirrorless maybe?
Example:
DSLR usage is different with normal digital camera/point and shoot; You use a viewfinder, which gives a totally different feel and you won't see the effect until you review the picture in your LCD and you notice, oh DARK, or oh too bright. With digital camera, you use the LCD and the settings you adjust, changes in real time so you can see roughly how the image will turn out later.
When using DSLR in Live View mode, it kind of defeat the purpose and you might notice the performance is worst than many high end digital camera. Then when you're looking to upgrade the lens, you will see the "investment" you need to do.

If you take a look at the latest Panasonic G3 preview video, you will notice how good the performance is and easy to use. There's touch focus feature; You can even adjust the focus point size, and so on; When you focus an area, it will zoom it to let you see whhether the image is in focus; The auto-focus speed is also fast, the video even demo their touch-focus-shoot process, means when you touch, it will focus and immediately capture the photo and the person do it in continuously touching different area.

Anyway, if you're really looking into DSLR, then kindly ignore my comments; The reason I share this is because there're people who buy DSLR for the wrong reasons only to find out they don't actually need a DSLR; They thought DSLR as a powerful camera, suppose to be work better in EVERY WAY, but not knowing about the differences and limitations.



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QUOTE(Andy214 @ May 27 2011, 01:08 AM)
Personal opinion:
If you're really looking into DSLR, then it's worth, but then, if you're getting serious, you might want to consider a body with more controls. And you will need to start "investing" later on.

If you're looking for a good camera which have good performance like a DSLR, simple and easy to use, less "problems", less "maintenance", less investment or little. You might want to consider something else, such as those current mirrorless maybe?
Example:
DSLR usage is different with normal digital camera/point and shoot; You use a viewfinder, which gives a totally different feel and you won't see the effect until you review the picture in your LCD and you notice, oh DARK, or oh too bright. With digital camera, you use the LCD and the settings you adjust, changes in real time so you can see roughly how the image will turn out later.
When using DSLR in Live View mode, it kind of defeat the purpose and you might notice the performance is worst than many high end digital camera. Then when you're looking to upgrade the lens, you will see the "investment" you need to do.

If you take a look at the latest Panasonic G3 preview video, you will notice how good the performance is and easy to use. There's touch focus feature; You can even adjust the focus point size, and so on; When you focus an area, it will zoom it to let you see whhether the image is in focus; The auto-focus speed is also fast, the video even demo their touch-focus-shoot process, means when you touch, it will focus and immediately capture the photo and the person do it in continuously touching different area.

Anyway, if you're really looking into DSLR, then kindly ignore my comments; The reason I share this is because there're people who buy DSLR for the wrong reasons only to find out they don't actually need a DSLR; They thought DSLR as a powerful camera, suppose to be work better in EVERY WAY, but not knowing about the differences and limitations.
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OT a bit, how much G3 cost?
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ May 27 2011, 01:08 AM)
Personal opinion:
If you're really looking into DSLR, then it's worth, but then, if you're getting serious, you might want to consider a body with more controls. And you will need to start "investing" later on.

If you're looking for a good camera which have good performance like a DSLR, simple and easy to use, less "problems", less "maintenance", less investment or little. You might want to consider something else, such as those current mirrorless maybe?
Example:
DSLR usage is different with normal digital camera/point and shoot; You use a viewfinder, which gives a totally different feel and you won't see the effect until you review the picture in your LCD and you notice, oh DARK, or oh too bright. With digital camera, you use the LCD and the settings you adjust, changes in real time so you can see roughly how the image will turn out later.
When using DSLR in Live View mode, it kind of defeat the purpose and you might notice the performance is worst than many high end digital camera. Then when you're looking to upgrade the lens, you will see the "investment" you need to do.

If you take a look at the latest Panasonic G3 preview video, you will notice how good the performance is and easy to use. There's touch focus feature; You can even adjust the focus point size, and so on; When you focus an area, it will zoom it to let you see whhether the image is in focus; The auto-focus speed is also fast, the video even demo their touch-focus-shoot process, means when you touch, it will focus and immediately capture the photo and the person do it in continuously touching different area.

Anyway, if you're really looking into DSLR, then kindly ignore my comments; The reason I share this is because there're people who buy DSLR for the wrong reasons only to find out they don't actually need a DSLR; They thought DSLR as a powerful camera, suppose to be work better in EVERY WAY, but not knowing about the differences and limitations.
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Thanks your opinion bro. Anyway, I'm serious of learning dslr. I do notice its pros and cons.
I'm looking for the best one within my budget. But again, I know it is more to personal preference.
Just searching for comments for entry level cameras. Cheers icon_rolleyes.gif
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Looks good, from 85G? brows.gif

oh me classmates btw

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Yeap 80200 two touch abit soft wide open tongue.gif
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lowest price for 35mm 1.8 still rm750?
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QUOTE(junior5417 @ May 27 2011, 09:34 AM)
lowest price for 35mm 1.8 still rm750?
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QUOTE(elainor @ May 26 2011, 10:31 PM)
i got mine for rm450 last time...
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do you find it is worth of the money?
I am thinking to get one soon.
walawe my d7k front weight also doh.gif


QUOTE(Agito666 @ May 26 2011, 10:59 PM)
aiya just follow instruction from them can edi if they wan you take out something.
nice mid valley  brows.gif
manual PP bokeh canot ar?  hmm.gif  rolleyes.gif
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mid valley a? rclxub.gif
tak paham lah abang.

QUOTE(168257061 @ May 26 2011, 11:21 PM)
Now I almost can compare which one is poor lens bokeh and expensive lens bokeh... this is no good to me sad.gif
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racun racun racun tongue.gif
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QUOTE(linuss @ May 27 2011, 12:57 AM)
If I'm not wrong, D7000 is the best entry level camera from Nikon right?
so you mean the shutter sound actually comes from the body itself, not the lense?
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D7000 ain't entry level..LOL
only D3100 and D5100 count as entry level.

QUOTE(C_Sagi @ May 27 2011, 01:03 AM)
Ahh, meaning should i just leave my lappie in the bag and let it scan thru unless they personally ask me to take it out ? I mean since it'll have to scan no matter what anyway... smile.gif
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like agito said..if they ask u take out then take out lo..if no just walk like normal..
but last sunday when i flying,they did ask me to take out my laptop..just sharing..

QUOTE(Agito666 @ May 27 2011, 01:05 AM)
D7000 should be mid range for me...because got TOP LCD?
if you got budget then go for D7000, because after you learn that you will find the button on the body in D7000 is VERY USEFUL for fast setting for shutter speed, iso, apeture , white balance, metering etc...  icon_idea.gif


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if they call you strip your bag then you strip for them la, if they dun then just pretend dunno  whistling.gif
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he only got 3k budget la..
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QUOTE(aldosoesilo @ May 27 2011, 11:07 AM)
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lucky no money, no need racun tongue.gif
btw, u use d7k ?

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