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 PhD vs. Experience, Which come first? Help me to choose one.

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TSShrugsLova
post Jun 16 2011, 11:36 PM

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I'm planning to do it locally, ya, there might be 'saying' that oversea is better (I can't deny it is) but I do believe when it come to the end, performance is what matter. That's what I been telling myself; comfort/lies?...i not so sure now.

P/S: My financial status doesn't allow me to go oversea; even with scholarship.
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post Jun 19 2011, 02:36 AM

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post Jun 28 2011, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(MANKiND @ Jun 28 2011, 05:23 PM)
any body kind enough to explain to me the differences between those 3??

1. Doctor of Engineering (D.Eng. or Eng.D. or Dr.Eng. or Dr.-Ing.)
2. Doctor of Philosophy (DPhil or D.Phil.)
3. Doctor of Business Administration (DBA)

i already have MEng...so currently intended to further my study part time basis...is there any major difference between them??
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If you're an engineering student, I'm pretty sure you heard about BEM & IEM, from these two bodies, you could gain P.Eng which is Professional Engineer.

1. D.Eng or so, I guess is the other name for PhD in engineering. If I'm not mistaken, different country has different naming for it. Yet in M'sia, no matter what course you are, be it an engineering, biochemistry, etc. all under one PhD.

2. In M'sia, we use PhD. There is MPhil which is inferior to PhD; given to those who can't meet the requirement of completing a PhD.

3. That's PhD for business.

Hope it helps.
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post Jun 29 2011, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(MANKiND @ Jun 29 2011, 06:13 AM)
some uni in malaysian got engineering doctorate like utm and utem...utm  utem so it just the sake of accreditation by BEM and IEM and nothing physically different between engineering doctorate and doctor of philosophy??

izzit possible for me to takes doctor of business administration where i don't have the master in business administration (MBA)?? i already working nearly 5 year in O&G consultation...so still not decided whether to continue on technical or change path into managerial...
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I think you misunderstand my meaning. P.Eng is a title for professional engineer accredited by BEM and IEM. Different case form D.Eng, etc.

For D.Eng (that I'm not so sure about it, but I would give it a guess it's either different naming for PhD in Engineering or a Post-Doctorate title) [ask lord google for better confirmation]

I believe to go for DBA, you need MBA. Eventhough I have seen many that go for MBA with Engineering Deg. [ask lord google again]

Erm...personal opinion: the salary of an engineer will be saturated at some level; that is when most of the engineers some sort of convert to management. The advantage of being a manager with technical background would be you really understand the whole process of your product flow, rather than just manage the manpower.

Normally, they will promote you to manager after certain level, no more other position that they can promote you to.
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post Jul 19 2011, 12:31 AM

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Finally, I made my decision, I will go for fast track PhD in one of our local University. 3-4 years of devotion.

I shall start with proposal writing. Thank you guys for your comments, and point of view.

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post Jul 26 2011, 07:28 PM

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Do anyone know about the conversion program?
Msc/PhD conversion program. Many of the local unis are offering this. If you do know about this, enlighten me more.
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post Dec 16 2011, 04:59 PM

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Let me do a quick recap/update: I'm still working while waiting for my scholarship to be approved. So basically, I still haven't step in for any research, etc. From my realtime experience, and well trust me; working experience at one extent will become saturated and somehow you will only repeat what you did everyday. Saying this, I believe after (let's say 4 years working in one industry, you'll learn almost EVERYTHING about your work and from there onward, you just repeat your tasks everyday). And please bear in mind, EXPERIENCE doesn't always equal to MONEY. I've met many, yes MANY engineers working for 6-10 years plus but still getting pay below 5k). In industry, like it or not, what they talk about is PERFORMANCE rather than EXPERIENCE.

So if you're relating EXPERIENCE=MONEY=SUCCESS; I don't think so.

QUOTE(gu~wak_zhai @ Nov 7 2011, 10:51 PM)
Well said, that's what I keep telling myself despite most of my friends telling me that experience is more important and so on..

You can always earn your experience later. If you have the determination to continue post-grad studies, especially research base, which is known for its boring routine and years of mental torture, I don't see why you will have problem working in the industry and gaining the experience later on...
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PhD will somehow sharpen your analytical skills and with good analytical skill= better PERFORMANCE. PhD is actually an non-work related experience gaining also but in a longer term (4 years). If you're smart, maybe you can tailor made your PhD based on what you want to work as. Example: PhD on Solar Cell---> First Solar.

QUOTE(WintersuN @ Nov 7 2011, 10:56 PM)
in malaysia la,

which company u can work for when u get your phd other than teach in public institution?

can give example of company instead of naming the industry?

its easy to give general answers like say pharmaceutical industry or research industry but when u really tink about it..
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For engineering, big MNC like Intel, Motorola, Agilent do recruit PhD holder for Senior Engineer. Their salary should range between 5k-6k.

QUOTE(Irzani @ Nov 8 2011, 12:38 AM)
Most of the lectures I know are suggesting to any students to do direct PhD instead of doing Master. The reason, wasting time .  hmm.gif
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USM too, in fact even UK and SG university.

QUOTE(WintersuN @ Nov 9 2011, 03:20 PM)
I tell you more than 70% ppl pursue phd here gonna end up as lecturer. another 20% go overseas (singapore) work and another 10% do job out of their study field. maybe few % get job in industry in malaysia

This thread is just for phd ppl to try justify the industry in malaysia still got hire phd grad
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Undeniable, most of the PhD holder will end up as a lecturers because the reason they took up PhD at the first place is to research. Not many company can afford a R&D group, only MNC can, the other alternative is to stay at university; furthermore most of the research uni do have a complete range of equipment for research.

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post Apr 27 2012, 12:11 AM

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haha, this post still alive. Let's continue the debate.
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post Jun 12 2012, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Apr 27 2012, 12:41 AM)
So what are you currently doing now? Did you do a PhD or work? Or both?
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I have gotten a scholarship to study in SG and will depart this august. Thank for your concern. Right now, I'm still working to get enough pocket money for the traveling fees and such.

Just want to summarize/share some opinion of mine:

1) Don't waste time doing PhD if you're aiming for money. In term of cash, experience will be forever on top of PhD.

2) PhD does open more opportunity, but I can't say it is a better one.

3) Only go for PhD, if you have a strong interest in the field you're taking. Also, the mentality to stay 'student' for the next 4 years. Forget about buying assets/marriage in this 4 years period.

4) 4 years commitment is not short, don't start if you're not sure. I don't want you to waste your time+money and stop half way.

5) If you're not sure what you want, opt to work first (you can stop anytime you want) then only decide. Don't go the other way round (PhD need 4 years commitment). Also, by working first, you will cherish your PhD more - provided if you're a research lover.

6) I'd agree with a forumer; PhD does change your lifestyle. At least, you'll be labelled as nerd for another 4 years.

7) Lastly, follow your heart. It can't be wrong.

 

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