This 21 July, Malaysia are welcome British club, Chelsea.

I'm goin' to wear YELLOW MALAYSIAN TSHIT because I'm proud to be Malaysian.

I believe our local player need our spirit. Our "yellow".


I'm going to yellow side. How about you?


(Old Trafford @ Kuala Lumpur ~ LMAU~)


(Stadium Shah Alam become Stamford Bridge in 2008)

Credit Pictures: MalayaTigers.com

This post has been edited by Sapitt: May 23 2011, 01:26 PM

better kelantan vs chelsea/man u

Hardly can see any cheneese putting on yellow jersey.....

will there be a yellow section at the stadium?..

the ultras decided to boycott all events which make me a little disappointed because it will be a perfect opportunity to make a statement.... and if its true that we will be using a full national team, it is our responsibility as fans, whatever left of us, to support our team against the sea of "away" fans...

although i understand their reason as by being a paying customer, the actually supporting them, which is not their intention..

This post has been edited by aressandro10: May 23 2011, 01:28 PM

vroom vroom thread in FL?

Anyways if i can go i will probably go in national team colour too. Events like meet and greet maybe go as fans of club but on matchday no harm supporting national team...but this issue is debatable. Supporting national team is something that SHOULD be done, but not an obligation to everyone.

But after recent NT success, will there be more local supporters this time round? more as in NT supporters this time more than last year, not NT fans > club fans ( i think this is impossible )

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: May 23 2011, 01:28 PM

What does vroom vroom mean?

i will support yellow team this time...

it started from racism which leads to racing (loophole to prevent authority to give some extra attention to a certain type of threads in LYN kopitiam), and people from there are very genius improviser and innovator.... it becomes vroom vroom some times later deriving from racing....

Today it can means anything from racism, sexism to anything which is good enough to spark a heating arguments between 2 parties.

btw...I don't find vroom vroom here. pyrobooby try to bring some in?

kopitiam style post, so i pun reply kopitiam style lorr

and my nick isnt pyrobooby, im pyroboy, copyrighted since 2001.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: May 23 2011, 01:39 PM

I will be wearing BLUE proudly




NT away jersey of coz

What's the point of wearing the yellow if your heart isn't really with the yellow?

previously i am quite excited to go to these games to show my "nasionalism"..

but somehow .. after exciting and fulfilling run Terengganu had in the league and FA cup.. i feel not excited anymore to do anything with foreign invasive teams......


i thinking that i will give it a miss... will be saving up to go support Malaysia in Singapore in a real match instead...


But i do hope the organizers will suggest around a point where malaysia national team supporters in yellow can sit as a group.. one in the cheapest Rm58 zone will do...

This post has been edited by aressandro10: May 23 2011, 01:43 PM

i wear liverpool jersey yay !

I have to agree with you. They need to separate both parties so we know how amazingly is when the Malaysian Fans versus Chelsea Fans.

it's just an exhibition match. a friendly game for god sake. i will wear Blue jersey with HM scarf. it's not like they coming every year to Msia and i just wanna to welcome them to Malaysia. I'll be happy if Chelsea score, I'll be proud if HM score or even win it.

BTW, why does the Ultra wanna boycott such events? Outside teams coming to Malaysia to play friendlies are not something new or invasive. Even back then Arsenal and England (albeit team B) come and have friendlies in Stadium Merdeka. Shunning events like this and discouraging "big stage matches" for the NT wont do much benefit IMO.

wear your club jersey and bring national flag

wear yellow~!!! bring bendera malaysia~!!!! semangat abit la~!!!!

you should boycott our beloved zaquan too? what do you think TS?



and our beloved safee sali too? what do you think TS?

This post has been edited by MCQueen: May 23 2011, 02:13 PM

tshirt?

lol
the safee sali picture in MU jersey is full of win to this thread

This thread reeks of one of those anti-patriotism ones in the "real world issues" forum. There is no point in arguing when people do not know the meaning of empathy, preferring instead to shoving their myopic views down the throats of others, without realising that such nearsightedness results in dividing a nation, not bringing it closer together.

Proof? Look at one of first few posts taking a dig at the Chinese. If this continues, I urge the mods to move this to the "real world issues" forum for this is a forum to discuss the sport of football, not promote racism or racial divide.

last time at malaysia vs man utd friendly game i saw some mat saleh/white ppl wearing malaysia jersey...

at this time i disagree with ultras.
(i am part of them since 2008..not a major player..just ikut belakang je )
altho i get their point of we shud make something that can benefits the team as a whole (like type A friendly matches >> can improve rankings >> will affect drawing in major events like asian cup qualifying or wc qualifying)

at the same time, they also went for a trip to singapore vs etoile fc.

i do not know, maybe brother aweef (senior member of ultras malaya i believe) can enlighten me on this.

the word "boycotting" just does not seems rite.

#justmy2cents

TS, apa itu TSHIT ?

You are right. I'm ashamed when ppl wearing outside jersey while our national team is there.

last time i saw Mat Saleh try to find Malaysia Jersey at Al-ikhsan... but the salesboy persuad him not to with detail exxageration how shit Malaysia Team is..

Yeah, ah ha....
you know what it is....
BLACK AND YELLOW, BLACK AND YELLOW....
BLACK AND YELLOW, BLACK AND YELLOW....

aiya just wear any colour u want don't care what colour as long don't naked ....it's not like when u wear all blue malaysia team will cancel the game or wear all yellow chelsea will cancel...after all is just a friendly match not some rival/final match..

This post has been edited by Firdaus_Fenriz: May 23 2011, 05:49 PM

sometimes we need to improve our mentality in order to improve in football

if everything takes easy...

/inb4 iwenttowembleytowatchenglandvsbrazil

who would want to watch such boring game? watch malaysia v arsenal better.

how does it feel to be isolated by your fellow countrymen?

We are talking about club vs country situation here and taking it like it's world cup final or something.

The purpose of such event is for the entertainment of fans and at the same time to earn money.

If we are talking about country vs country then this is serious business.

Wear whatever jerseys you wish for whether its the country or club, but the end of the day nothing matters as long as we enjoy ourselves.

Disgrace thread and mentality of TS.

Luckily Spanish does not have such mentality or the next country event u see half of their fans in Barca shirt and the other half in RM shirt.

dude, seriously u're example is a different kind of analogy.

yes so true this is just for entertainment not serious business if fifa make deal like if malaysia win against chelsea get special wildcard to enter world cup then lain crita la....

it not like written at the ticket that everyone purchase said u must wearing a chelsea/malaysia jersey. get over it laa...

all this issue came up from those that so called "ULTRA"
just because people not wearing malaysian jersey doesnt mean, they not supporting our malaysian team! ultra ultra ultra. YAWN!

Well, there are saying goes: "Action speak louder than words".
Jersey is the most basic thing you can wear to show your support to your respective team.

I re-use your words back.

all this issue came up from those that so called "FANS"
just because people not wearing Chelsea jersey doesnt mean, they not supporting 'our' Chelsea team! Fans Fans Fans. YAWN!

what ever. anyway I'm going to wear Yellow and I will be there for sure.

It's hard to change what ppl have done for the past 10 years ago and I'm understand.

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Added on May 24, 2011, 10:01 pmIt's hard to change ppl mentality except they change them self first.

I want to change my self. and i believe i have made my step.

This post has been edited by Sapitt: May 24 2011, 10:01 PM

u want to change urself, good for you. But why need to make a ruckus if others have different opinion to you? no need to impose your opinion on others by "you dont do this, you are lower class, wrong mentality etc." attitude aka houlier-than-thou. If Man Utd QPR v Msia, i probably will wear Harimau malaya shirt. But do u see me telling off others who wear QPR shirt?

I hate this kinda post, where it starts with a "so-called" gather your opinion on a topic but when people have different opinions, they are looked down upon. Nobody condemns u for wearing Malaysia shirt, so please dont condemn others if they dont do as you did.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: May 24 2011, 10:39 PM

since when you people care about malaysian team? since malaysia won sea game? since malaysia won AFF? tell me when the that so called ULTRA founded? dont judge people from the jersey! go look my previous post zaquan and safee ali itself wearing MU jersey!! even your idol wearing MU jersey!! so what?? they also still play for Malaysia mati mati punya against MU! same goes to supporters who not wearing yellow jersey!! of course they will SHOUT OUT LOUD when safee ali scored!! trust me.. its just exhibition game!! ultra konon!! lepas malaysia menang baru sibuk!! glory hunters sungguh!!

to answer your question... several malaysia supporting movement started in the year 2007. including the ultras..

you know what happened in the year 2007 for our national team?

This post has been edited by aressandro10: May 24 2011, 11:07 PM

Yes you are right. So i need to learn. TQ

dont looking down upon other people's opinion is what we generally do back and forth in this forum though. Dont you think someone somewhere will feel their opinion is looked down upon when they read your comment above?

2007? no wonder i dont see any ULTRA at pestabola merdeka, malaysia lose 0-2 to arsenal 1999, lose 0-6 to MU 2001, 2003 lose to birmingham 0-4, 1-4 to chelsea, 0-1 to norwich 2004.. why?? sebab most of them glory hunters!! masa malaysia naik baru nak sokong!! kesian!!

for your info, ultras malaya was establised as a reaction to Malaysia's humiliating performance at home after Asia Cup 2007. And they have been to every Malaysia home games ever since. they went to all the hollow stadium matches vs Uzbekistan and UAE in the Asia Cup Qualifying eventhough they all end up in defeats. You can just google the national team ficture and they have been to them all. not just the over glorified friendly vs English teams. Glory-hunters they definately are not.

my god.you should stop posting because it just makes you look so damn low.

yes..but to be fair, it is obvious that this forces were reignite and popular only after the AFF Suzuki glory. one cannot deny that. prior joining UM, i had some friends who used to be a glory hunter (as some called for BPL club supporters).

even i'm supporting Chelsea that doesn't made me lost my obligation towards my country. i do come to stadium every time our HM team played.

for god sake, just look at the difference in terms of number of crowd for the match against Indonesia and the one against Hong Kong (the friendly). I believe you bro aressandro10 is a true model of a Msian supporters but for the new sprout who just start cheering for HM after AFF then straight away act self-righteous, what makes u better than those foreign club supporters?

HARIMAU MALAYA ~ INILAH BARISAN KITA YANG IKHLAS BERJUANG!!


nyanyian beramai-ramai oleh penyokong setia Harimau Malaya

i'm sick of gloryhunters. TQVM

ya i do watch and enjoy supporting Chelsea FC since i subscribe astro.
u can call me gloryhunters

This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: May 25 2011, 01:12 AM

Why you hate Ultras so much? It is good to have a set of fans which fully dedicated themselves to National football. Foreign football fans like us shouldn't view them as enemy or threat. Maybe we can learn one or two things from them.

kesian, u mesti dari spanish tgk european championship & world cup aje.
Asian cup 2007 kat Malaysia bang

i bet u need to google even deeper abt this *hint: u 've no idea abt this tournament. ure examples clearly stated all those EPL teams. while Pestabola merdeka was long gone..kejap ada kejap takde..so basically pestabola merdeka is just like a small tiny friendly and u think this is the glorious Pestabola Merdeka Mokhtar Dahari era.*

This is why i'm sick of gloryhunters. U tak suka bola Malaysia, u don't talk shit. U don't act like you're bigass manchesterian or whatever.

Sorry for my poor english. I school Malaysia only ok?

Problems?

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Added on May 25, 2011, 1:22 amI'm not forcing anyone to wear this and that.

it's up to u.u're the one who pay the tickets.

As for me (if got enough money, sure i want to go vs Chelsea one..)

#i will wear Malaysia blue jersey.


This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: May 25 2011, 01:22 AM

HARIMAU MALAYA english song


The day had gone too long
its seem like yesterday
this is the land we born
and where we gonna stay
The proud is there
we know and its always in our hearts
that we all stay and fly the flag
of nation pride

The war had gone
and all the heroes had their way
but if its strike again
we know we gonna stand

we gonna stand and fight
we''ll die for this pride land
we''ll show the foes
we great coz we the countrymen

and when u hear the call
we know that u be there
its for the stripe the moon and star
coz we all proud that we was made in malaysia

we had been raised to trust
the god and to the king
we gonna stand and ground
the strengh that come whithin
so if u think u know those feeling that is thru
and its all for the yellow, the red,and white and blue

and when u hear the call
we know that u be there
its for the stripe the moon and star
coz we all proud that we was made in malaysia

we gonna stand (we gonna shout)
this is the land (that we all proud)
lets join the line and you know whats all about
so if u think (you feel the same)
raise all the flag (of our land)
and feel the pride
inside you know that it is thru

we just dont care
just who u r
just shout it loud
that we was made in malaysia

This post has been edited by hack3line: May 25 2011, 01:28 AM

Apa bising sapa sokong sapa..
Kalau tahap cinta negara korang tinggi..
Pakai la baju malaysia..
Kalau minat Chelsea lebih pakai la.. Duit korang..
Tak payah la kutuk orang yang sokong mana2 team..
Ikut diri.. Ultras tegar menyokong Malaaysia..
Itu semangat mereka..
Tak payah nak timbulkan isu

I will wear blue away malaysia jesey since I both support each side..
Chelsea do well.. Then it's entertaining..
Malaysia beat Chelsea.. Surely I gonna be over the moon

Well you tell me. Is it right to judge someone's patriotism and mentality simply by whic jersey he/she wears on a friendly match?

And I'm not talking about looking down on opinion (debating opinions are basis of an argument). I'm talking about looking down on someone's personality/mentality based on his/her opinions. Those who wear Chelsea jersey in this case, are deemed as unpatriotic bunch of low-mentality group who are difficult to change to the "right" ways.

To make things straight I'm not against Ultras. My point is simple. Wearing national team shirt to such events yes, should be encouraged but it's not an obligation.

Haha...same reply to the MUST member who also call me glory hunter: seropoke is seropoke

And stop contradicting urself. Do u realize u just mentioned u are sick of yourself?

this is not /k/ dun try to act funny here. Can't blieve after all this years past, u guys are still stereotyping. Look at this guy here, does he gives u the sense of belonging in malaysia ?

This post has been edited by IcyDarling: May 25 2011, 06:23 AM

stop being dumb! this quote is not from Super Mokh!

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Added on May 25, 2011, 6:35 amdude i was there for those match i stated above! thats why i said. those glory hunters and ultra start supporting and care about national team since we won pestabola and then sea game and AFF! before that? MEH!

This post has been edited by MCQueen: May 25 2011, 06:35 AM

Will Yossi Benayoun playing?

i reply to all ure quote can?

1. yeah it's right to judge someone's patriotism and mentality simply by which jersey. last year when Malaysia vs Korea (u23 match) got this one fella wore Korean Jersey with park jisung's name. it's obvious park was not there and it's just an under 23 match. can u just simply respect and support ur own local team? why this happen?

2.why u jealous i'm sick of myself . yah sometimes i do feel stupid wasting my time browse fb page of those AAA grade jersey seller, nak carik baju chelsea(kononnya). spent few bucks sibuk2 cari car sticker. and i wont retract my comments. i'm sick of gloryhunters. claiming "our patriotism was still there blah blah bla" the fact is u only go to semi final / final games of local football. FACT.

if u can defy this, prove it to me ya all those 50-70k of londoners/manchesterians/etc etc.

realizing that, i'm trying to improve my knowledge of local football.back to those previous days when my dad used to bring me to local stadiums. browsing local blogs, with the lack of info of our league...naik bus pergi stadium shah alam to watch selangor as much as i can.it's much more fun and gooding i tell u

dude, u just got into a new low

1.norwich vs MPPJ. not malaysia NT. i guess u pun tak tahu yang MPPJ dah takde dalam local league.
2.Premier League Asia Trophy was back then in 2003
3. ultras was there during Pestabola Merdeka 2008, (that's the most recent pestabola merdeka edition) and we lost that one too. get urself right . i cant believe how u cant google properly ( u said the team won? ) (this is the first time i join ultras, now i kurang minat sikit coz too many posers lol but still i have no problem with them supporting NT ..
4. ultras was there during humiliating defeat of 0-5 to UAE at stadium cheras
5. ultras was there during some cheapskate friendly vs maldives at grade B- field of UITM stadium (before the team went to sea games)
6. ultras was there during united tour.

arresandro clearly tells us ultras movement in malaysia only started after asian cup 2007

my god

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Added on May 25, 2011, 9:01 amthat's interesting to see.

This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: May 25 2011, 09:01 AM

i'm barcelona fan. and i'm malaysia supporter. country come 1st (eventho i'm really hate those politician in FAM). got problem with that??



ultras not the only movement since 2007. there's another one..Black Parade United..which more hardcore..but has been cracked down by police..since they want to push politician out of FAM but they failed.

japan and korea got many stars play in europe..but blue samurai fans will be back at their NT team..so do with korea. but malaysian? siap kutuk-kutuk lagik. i'm pity with malaysia...

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Added on May 25, 2011, 9:28 amif start becoz we won pestabola and final AFF, then whats the problem?? .

This post has been edited by fcbarcelona-my: May 25 2011, 09:28 AM

BLUE is the color!

why this happen

oh ini bukan barcelona lawan malaysia
bukan manchester lawan malaysia
bukan seoul fc lawan malaysia

South Korea under 23 vs Malaysia under 23.

why this happen? << back to the root. mentality.
"alah takpelah, entertainment je kot, patriotism aku masih ada"
*that fella is some sort of member in chelsea-malaysia i think,





and ure zaquan and safee sali pic all waktu bukan game je pakai

provide me photos of zaquan/safee/ any malaysian NT footballers wearing those epl clubs while watching the team playing against those epl clubs. (not all are playing..injuries etc etc)

u're argument is like
apple lawan durian bro. macamana nak banding kalau dua benda bukan sama

This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: May 25 2011, 09:42 AM

Now this is admirable, though futile. Enough with feeding the coffers of politicians.

1. You base your assumptions on ONE SINGLE PERSON. Go figure why I don't even bother to say more.

2. I really don't know what u are talking about. My point is "don't undermine/belittle others". Like I said to TS, if you make the effort to indulge in local football, good for you. Im also a recent indulger, only as far as the SEA games 2 years ago. But that does not mean those who turn out in club jerseys are less of a Malaysian than you are. What if a TDDM soldier attend in a Chelsea jersey? Is he not patriotic? At the end of the day, it's personal choice. U dun criticize a whole group of people just because 1 or 2 of those "club jersey wearers" doesn't care about local football scene.

This is turning into one of the "Glory hunter" threads where I used to debate the same issue. Alessandro10 would know what I'm talking about. I already made my point clearly above so there nothing more than I can argue or debate to support my point.

1.i'm not forcing you to argue in the first place.
one single person? yah this clearly proves u have not been in local stadium for the past 2-3 years. maybe the last time u went to local stadium was united tour here? (amma tanya je ok..)

my question, is that really hard to support your REAL own team?

2. TDDM is what? tentera darat diraja malaysia? as for tentera.. give me cases.not if.if if if susah la bang & yes i doubt it will happen

3. it's back to what i said, mentality.u argue u're patriotism is there, u cheer if malaysian scores...etc etc yah i get u're point.

and saddest part is MOST of the time, these kind of ppl are the same bunch of group who criticize and make fun of our NT if we lose/play badly.
i'm not generalizing. u want prove?

50-70k ppl this july, later malaysia vs taiwan will be like 10k or something
friendly vs competitive games.
expensive vs cheap tickets (no limit where u want to seat)

am afraid malaysia is becoming more like singapore with less football crowds these days, supporting foreign clubs etc etc.


p/s am not turning this into gloryhunters thread.am trying to stick to the topic. what shud u wear. why u shud u wear.


then till what match u want to wait wear malaysian jersey, buy rm45 malaysian jersey?

malaysia vs brazil? (konfirm ke nak pakai baju malaysia, brazil tu wehh..kaka, robinho neymar tu )
malaysia vs spain?( aku nak beli baju iniesta, takpun baju spain ada pegang world cup sure cun one)
malaysia vs bangla ( i doubt u will come, later said boring la for what to watch vs bangla)

WHEN WHEN WHEN

This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: May 25 2011, 10:47 AM

This is exactly what I meant, making judgment based on assumption. I know ure just asking, but why did u come up with that question in the first place Yeah I admit, I wasn't at SNBJ during international matches, not even for the Suzuki Cup final.but only people who knows me, or at least knows my fb, knows exactly why I wasnt there. Those people will know whether I'm trully supportive of NT or not.

PS: I wasnt even there for the United tour.

not assumption
it's happening rite now

so my next question is,

when is the right time for u guys to support, cheer & wear NT kits?

lawan team kuat sure u malu nak pakai jersey malaysia (if country vs country)

lawan team lembik sure tak datang

takkan nak tunggu malaysia vs singapore (rival) ataupun final je kut

p/s sorry if i sounds harsh as i mix up my feelings with MCqueen thoughts which, for me, i found it very ridiculous .

This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: May 25 2011, 11:04 AM

By assumption I mean u guessing I din go stadium. Unless u actually have proof that I din go

Answering your question, I personally would wear NT shirt if there's a NT match. If I can go stadium la. Or mamak and watch with friends. I want NT to prove themselves against big teams. Rio Ferdinand acknowledged the strength of our team after our victory against Indo.

No problem with McQueen, I don't agree with him as well. That one too extreme also.

If this is a cup final, I'm sure all will support the Malaya Tigers..Since this is a friendly match, who cares

that's good for u, atleast.

sure i'm not forcing malaysian to become like indonesian when it comes to football in single night
u know they all very setia one.

the scene is there, if malaysia NT playing ..at mamak already got demand which is +

hopes the boys can continue to perform.coz later if kalah sure kena bambu =.=

please lah weei.

kene bambu caci maki tu standard. England also got abuse verbally by their own fans, at home turf some more. france team condemned hard by local media after disastrous performance in recent WC. So as other great football country. the diff is, stadium still full house in every match

yup standard la.if malouda main teruk pun kita raggeee lol

indon management corrupt oso ppl still coming out to stadium

england france etc etc already out of our league.not a good comparison to me.

Sorry to interrupt the discussion of what colour to wear, but has anyone got details of the game? i.e. date, venue, ticket prices?

This post has been edited by stsh90: May 25 2011, 01:03 PM

ticketpro.com.my

this thread going nowhere
i bet alot of the ppl in this FL not even aware of our NT or our super league
or even has NT jersey
just wear whatever u want, u pay they ticket

MALAYSIA (1) vs SOUTH KOREA (0) : Safiq Rahim... Malaysia captain and playmaker fantastic goal with GRUNGE MUSIC!!


Safiq Rahim : Malaysia captain


This post has been edited by hack3line: May 25 2011, 03:23 PM

I'm not force anyone to hate people those won't follow this campaign.

This is a campaign by the Malaysian who want the yellow rules the crowd.

Imagine, Malaysia vs Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, but the Crowd is full with Yellow. That's must be amazing feeling.

No one else but we did.

pestabola merdeka 2007 was after asian cup 2007

in 2007, malaysian football have reach its darkest hour. those ultras felt that the push has come to shove and they must do something

Edwin Van Der Sar Manchester United FC kena bola lambung Amri Yahya


This post has been edited by hack3line: May 25 2011, 05:15 PM

@hackline: pls cut the crap ffs!

Ultras Malaya development was accelerated after AFF Cup because of the better information dispensation about their struggle by the media. Pockets of loyal Malaysia supporters has always been available everywhere but the AFF Cup helped to ignite connection between them forming a large entity and drawing new recruits as we see today.

To say that they only support Malaysia after, and because of the AFF Cup would be totally un-fair and baseless..

and the difference between crowd of vs Indonesia and vs Hong Kong have nothing to do with the ultras. If anything i see the ultras crowd grew bigger..

i think they are better than those foreign club supporters because i truly think that in the end of the day, supporting your own REAL representative is always the best thing. And better late than never.

You last quote "i truly think that in the end of the day, supporting your own REAL representative is always the best thing. And better late than never."

That's is the best point. BETTER LATE THAT NEVER OR NOTHING CHANGE

You sure do go to a lot of English team matches. How about those friendlies versus China, Maldives and Zimbabwe? Did you go? .. well the ultras did..

i do agree with McQueen about the Moktar Dahari quote. Aligning his image with the spirit of the quote is one thing.. but saying that that was his original quote is baseless altogether.. i hope people stop doing that..

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Added on May 25, 2011, 6:45 pmthank you bro for laying out the points , i was also thinking about the same things, but he is clearly trolling and not interested with proper exchange of opinions.

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Added on May 25, 2011, 6:48 pmanother movement started after 2007 worth to mention is Harimaumalaya.com community. This is a site for moderate fans exchanging info and opinion and was a breeding ground for ultras malaya before they decided to be separated as they grew more extreme.

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Added on May 25, 2011, 6:53 pmactually the problem with our football is the other way around. Politicians feeding the coffers of our football industry which left it incapable to fend for themselves.

There are many ways for politicians to earn easy money. Football is not one of them. What i know of politician/football leaders in Perlis, Kelantan and Pahang spent their own money to keep the team afloat. Though i will not speculate what is the source of "their own money"...

This post has been edited by aressandro10: May 25 2011, 06:53 PM

actually u mis interpret my point. or probably i don't lay it properly. actually my point is, even though it's just a friendly match and play during weekdays how can be a such different number of crowds? in the good old days of Mokhtar, Santokh & Dato Soh Chin Aun we can hardly see any stadium as empty as that for a international friendly standard. It definitely has nothing to do with Ultras.

i never doubt bout Ultras since i joined them n sing most of the chants together at the curva and Hakim. in fact, i love the revolution they bring to our local football scene.

your "better late then never" is void. It's not about time. by default, which countrymen hate his own country? there is no such thing. u might hate the politicians, leaders, rulers, government & such but a normal human being will never hate his own country. It's not they never supporting, they just stop supporting. they got fed up.

This post has been edited by hidzwan: May 25 2011, 07:32 PM

Looks like we're going to revisit this argument.

Before you question someone's patriotism and isolate them by indirectly labelling them as 'traitors', try to understand them/us. Is your intention really to unite Malaysian fans or ostracise those who are 'beneath' you? Will labelling yourself as the better fan make everyone else any more patriotic? Instead of understanding those of us who aren't as patriotic and encouraging support, you choose to cast us aside. Yup, excellent effort in pulling everyone together. Well done.

Now why aren't we as patriotic? To comprehend this, you first need to read the news (foreign and local), and next, you need empathy. If you have neither, don't even bother reading the rest of my post. You need to understand why some people feel oppressed and 'abandoned' by their nation. Do you? I was singing loud and proud when we won the Thomas Cup back in 1992 at Stadium Negara with fellow Malaysians. In the years that followed however, I've been called a 'pendatang'. I've been threatened by a Keris wielding loon who wants to bathe it in my blood. People say that unrequited love is the worst thing you can feel. Let me say that loving a nation that doesn't love you back feels the same. So now, you want to question my loyalty? You want to claim that you are better than me? Until and unless you can truly understand my POV, and I doubt many can if recent history is anything to go by, and you can say it all doesn't bother you then yes, you are better than me.

Now some admit that the sport needs to be rid of politicians. So then, will showing up in droves force them out? Yes unconditional support may be one hallmark of a patriot. If you ask me though, sometimes it's better to be cruel to be kind. Why do you think there were protest votes during the last elections? Why did people take to the streets during BERSIH? Because they hated the country? I grow weary simply because I doubt some people's ability to comprehend opinions other than their own.

prove to me than u went to most of the malaysian matches (unless u're from sarawak or not around Klang Valley cannot help la)

here's the thing. while most of u trying to be so defensive of "we wear united/liverpool/chelsea shirt, but our heart still remains supporting malaysia"

the reality is, hardly the same group of people are the one who visits local football stadium.unless some big match or final/semifinal.

showing up to the game is the most basic thing (assuming wearing the NT kit is too hard for u)

malaysia vs uzbek, AFC qualifying (competitive match) tix less than rm20



and this alone is for MU TRAINING session.not 4pm before final AFF.

may i ask, where's your loyalty ? where's your patriotism?

for me, action speaks louder than words

u can spent 70 bucks on astro for sports channel
u can spent 3am on weekdays for champions league

but only showing up for final? there goes loyalty

This post has been edited by nanamiwashio: May 26 2011, 12:13 PM

Do you even understand what I posted? You have completely missed my point. You are asking me to prove my loyalty when I've clearly spelt out why I am no longer loyal. Do try your best to comprehend posts before replying.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: May 26 2011, 12:20 PM

yup i miss out ur point.



instead of arguing why ultras never understands u...try to understand what's ultras at the first place.


the only thing i knew, ultras is 20x bigger than previous years.

so who understands who? it's all about u want it or not.

Who is arguing with the ultras? I have nothing against them and I admire their support but I do not share the same sentiment for reasons given in my earlier post. When have I ever had a bad thing to say about the ultras in this thread or in any other thread? I don't know if you keep up with current events but I can't force you to read. As it is most football fans don't even read about their own club and I don't expect them to read about anything else. If even you do visit the "real world issues" forum, you'll get a better idea.

When you see empty seats in our national stadium, what does it mean to you? That more and more Malaysians are less patriotic? That they are glory hunters who only support more fancy foreign sides? I'll tell you what I see. I see more and more Malaysians getting fed up of being fed lies by politicians who only care about feeding their own coffers. I see more and more Malaysians getting sick and tired of being manipulated by the powers that be, who tell us we don't belong to this nation. As much as you want to separate the national team from politics, they are intertwined. Someone mentioned earlier that a group of hardcore fans were disbanded because they wanted politicians out of the scene. Kudos to them.

the problem in football, u do not get fed up.
do u get fed up with liverpool owners problem? No ? yes?
when was the last time u won epl?
u obviously underachieved (no offence, talk abt reality ok?)...then what makes u so "loyal" to the club?
mind to share it with me?

do manchester united's fans get fed up with the glazers trying to "buy" more money at their beloved club? No ? Yes?

the best way to protest is go to stadium and show it.

i myself was not happy when ultras decided not to go to the epl festives. they shud be there and show protests like previous days.

oh ya, black parade DID go to the stadium to show their protest. not end up at home to show their dissatisfaction
in politics, ppl go OUT to show how unsatisfied they are with the government. not at home


the problem with malaysian, they did no go out (to stadium) it's simply because of they did not watch the local game

that's the only problem mates.

selangor, 2 seasons on top. still so hard to fill up the stadium. why? fans dissapointed they din won the asian ch league?
kelantan, it's not like they won ALL the cup in Malaysia.
stadium = full why? politics?

ya Tan Sri Annuar Musa is a politician. talk politics alot in his fb about BN when we clearly knew kelantan is a PAS state.
problems? NONE
loyalty? FULL

Yes, Liverpool fans got fed up. Yes, Manchester United fans got fed up. My uncles sold his shares in protest of the Glazers taking over. Fans boycotted matches (google search). Yes, I still supported the club because of what it represents (YNWA, Shankly and all that). Why don't I support the national side anymore? Because I don't like what it represents (all the things I mentioned earlier about being treated like a second class citizen which I don't expect you to understand).

In any case, why are you even comparing my support for my club side? I'm not saying one is better than the other. I'm saying I don't support the national team anymore because of political reasons, not because I like my club side more.

You can't compare my views on politicians with the views of others because fact of the matter is we obviously have very different opinions. My opinions are based on extensive reading which is why I said in my first post that unless you do read about politics and the going ons in the country, you won't be able to relate or understand my point of view. If you like the politics in the country and like what it represents, then good for you. I don't.

Tan Sri Annuar Musa is a politician but he isn't bleeding the state football team dry. He's commercialising the team and bringing in money. He brought in HAPPY Pra-bayar as sponsors. He's invested in youth. They have about 300 kids in the academy and they have an elite team. He looks into the interest of KAFA and therefore, The Red Warriors. He looks to subsidise ticket prices for fans. I don't see any other state side doing the same.

Again, I don't know how much you read into politics but obviously I have different views from you. If you absolutely love the ruling coalition, that's your choice. You don't see me criticising you for it. I'm merely defending my right to an opinion and I assure you, my opinion is more informed that you may think. If anything, I don't support anything blindly.

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Added on May 26, 2011, 1:37 pmAgain, I don't care anymore. I thought I made that clear and I thought I stated why? I don't care enough to protest like the Black Parade so there is no point in comparing. If you want to criticise me, do so for not caring, and not for not protesting. Now, why don't I care? Explained earlier.

Yes some people go out, some burn themselves them protest. I vote.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: May 26 2011, 01:37 PM