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 -+♦+- LYN PROTON PERSONA CLUB V17 in 2011 -+♦+-

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ahpaul82
post May 17 2011, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(xandras @ May 16 2011, 11:26 AM)
Left is Gen2's, right PE's? Fits nicely rite?
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no,
the photos showing is Gen2's HU...
basically both HU mounting is the same.
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post May 17 2011, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ May 17 2011, 02:29 AM)
I see I see.. Eh then stock Gen2's HU comes with wat ah? CD player? Got changer?
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Yes,
CD Player that able to MP3/WMA file doh.gif
but as i know the first generation of Gen2 are not supporting MP3 Disc... doh.gif
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post May 17 2011, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ May 17 2011, 11:02 PM)
1st generation Gen2 not using casette player meh? rclxub.gif
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post May 17 2011, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(xandras @ May 17 2011, 10:53 PM)
Not really. So far there haven't been any reported problems with ABS, EBD and the disc brakes on H-line models.

If a CPS and an IAFM, both manual side by side, CPS is better.

CPS and IAFM, auto side by side, IAFM is better.

The difference? Plenty.. The air intake module is where it differs most. CPS still suffers from poor low end torque, while IAFM gives steady power distribution from low to high RPM. No doubt CPS have more HP, but in terms of drivability of the both, I'd say that an auto IAFM would be able to handle daily city drives better than an auto CPS.
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you are totally forgot about CPS engine is come with VIM... doh.gif

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QUOTE(xandras @ May 17 2011, 11:07 PM)
Last time I posted it here before.. A Saga taxi installed a Gen2's casette player... rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(xandras @ May 17 2011, 11:08 PM)
Got lah.. Thats why I say the intake is the one that matters most, and that CPS many difference from IAFM..
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CPS still suffers from poor low end torque, while IAFM gives steady power distribution from low to high RPM.


The engine's Variable-length Intake Manifold (VIM) switches between a long intake manifold at low engine speeds and a short intake manifold at higher engine speeds. Proton is using a longer intake manifold to achieve slower air flow; as they found this promotes better mixing with fuel. The short intake manifold allows more air in faster. This is beneficial at high RPMs.

The IAFM is operated by the engine vacuum while the VIM uses an ECU-controlled solenoid.

so based on above statement,
i wonder why you said CPS engine is suffer from poor low end torque since VIM with long intake manifold is to handle low RPM ? blink.gif
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QUOTE(xandras @ May 17 2011, 11:20 PM)
Applies to auto only la... Test driven, the power delivery below 4k RPM is pretty much useless.. Acts like VTEC sia, must rev to certain RPM then only suddenly the CPS kicks in... rclxub.gif
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you still don't get me,
do you know what is the different between IAFM and VIM?

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post May 17 2011, 11:34 PM

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actually i just wanted to say,

IAFM and VIM both devices basically is to handle low torque curve over the standard DOHC Campro engine.

I beg to be different if IAFM is way better than VIM since both devices are work as almost same function.
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QUOTE(xandras @ May 17 2011, 11:40 PM)
And how the both devices work the same way? VIM switches between lengths at different engine speeds, IAFM don't as it merely smoothens out the low end torque band, eliminating the torque dip issue. VIM needs to be coupled with CPS' valve timing and lifting to work, it can't work as a standalone while IAFM can. IAFM works according to the engine's suction. VIM doesn't.


Added on May 17, 2011, 11:41 pm
Who told u Exora using Mivec? Inspira is the 1 using Mivec Mitsubishi Engine. Exora using CPS.
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Boss,
my meaning of same function is on Intake System lah ...
VIM only switch to short runner when the RPM is > 4800rpm.
The engine's Variable-length Intake Manifold (VIM) switches between a long intake manifold at low engine speeds and a short intake manifold at higher engine speeds. Proton is using a longer intake manifold to achieve slower air flow; as they found this promotes better mixing with fuel. The short intake manifold allows more air in faster. This is beneficial at high RPMs.
Proton claims that there is better response and torque at low engine speeds of between 2000 - 2500 rpm.

all copy and paster from here : Campro Engine
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post May 18 2011, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(xandras @ May 17 2011, 11:55 PM)
That's exactly what I meant. Below 4k+ RPM for the Auto CPS the RPM climb sucks. I don't know why, n I didn't believe it when Zeng told me until I tried the Neo CPS auto myself.

Don't copy paste larrr... rclxub.gif The source also dono reliable or not wan... But yes, overall I'm impressed with the CPS, just not the auto.
Can wan.. If roll only even better, can get 5.2L/100 KMs AND BELOW, especially with Petronas..
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maybe i should go find one Gen2 CPS Auto and test test ...

the info almost same as Proton Website leh... different description ..
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post May 18 2011, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(xandras @ May 18 2011, 12:05 AM)
Eh urs CPS Gen2 M-line? I saw somewhere got M-line.. Only selling for 40++K leh.. sweat.gif

I almost gave up after I tried the CPS auto Neo. Then I go try my friend's stock Gen2 CPS manual, much better..
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Mine is H-line, last time only Waja/Gen2/Satria Neo H-line got CPS Engine mah.

the facelift Gen2 is called MC3 Version (Minor Change 3) if i'm remember correctly, the M-line only available in Auto Transmission, selling around RM54K+.

RM40k+?
used car is it?
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QUOTE(xandras @ May 18 2011, 12:27 AM)
No wor.. New car.. Yaya auto only.. stock clearance I think.. M-line at RM 48k, H-line at RM 55k, Waja CPS RM 49k.. rclxub.gif
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Oh... that one.
stock clearance from Proton... cool2.gif
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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ May 23 2011, 10:33 PM)
is it our stock hu connect wit our usb port by socket?then once v plug out the player,the usb port is separate with player,rite?once the gen2 user install it,they need buy the casing same as our car,isn't it?maybe xandras and lee can answer me
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the front USB port is connected to rear HU, whether the USB Cable can unplug or not i have no idea.

Refer to picture:
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basically it just 101% plug and play to Gen2,
need no any casing...
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post May 23 2011, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(ZenGTMM @ May 23 2011, 10:55 PM)
Wah ur dyno chart.. Stock car ah? U modified anything else?
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Copy back what i have posted in CPS thred last time tongue.gif


QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ May 23 2011, 10:59 PM)
means tat after i take out my ori HU,then can direct plug and play at gen2 ady without PE casing,rite?
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You mean you will only sell him the HU without the casing?

this is the casing after HU taken out:
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like that the buyer a bit susah to get the casing leh i guess... sweat.gif
usually people sell 'whole unit' one lah...

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post May 23 2011, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ May 23 2011, 11:11 PM)
i think can get it at market lo tongue.gif
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why you want to keep that casing?
for your aftermarket HU? blink.gif
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post May 23 2011, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(samwongjyhhorng @ May 23 2011, 11:27 PM)
ya,for my aftermarket player lo..
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I see, but if you going to 2DIN HU, the casing no longer can be use woh... tongue.gif

QUOTE(xandras @ May 23 2011, 11:27 PM)
2 ways.

1. Connect the steering control cable to a transmitter, and the receiver to the HU.
2. Use original Kenwood's steering control switch, which costs about RM 150 from eBay.
Mine aftermarket HU with original casing blink.gif
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QUOTE(cho_petpet @ May 23 2011, 11:32 PM)
Paul by the way i notice u use high range engine oil and gear oil..smile.gif...anyways how much for the refline gear oil??and is dat for manual??
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Yes, that Redline MT90 is for Manual Transmission.
RM55 per bottle, one little.
need 2 and the half bottles for Manual Gear Box.
usually i with share half bottle with my fren who driving Neo.

if you are on Auto Transmission i think the price will scare you away tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cho_petpet @ May 23 2011, 11:42 PM)
Paul,wat do u mean by above.....and means u need to pay about 2 1/2 bottles to fill our GB la..$140 - $150 like dat la...

And most importantly how is it compared to ori GB oil??can last how long?i used to use it once...but feel not much diff last time..but others claim it was smooth..

Care to enlighten me??
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my bad,
i mean one bottle cost RM55/Liter.

yes, Manual Gearbox need around 2.5L of Gear Oil.
Auto Trasmission i think need more than that, 4 or 5L? not sure.

Last how long?
follow the service interval and change lor,
Don't expect it can last longer just becoz it expensive... rolleyes.gif

Feeling?
yes, smoother.
especially when you do down-shift or heel and toe often...

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