I've just notice this problem on my IPAD 2 32GB Wifi White when I try to use the map function.

It is unable to determine my location. Location services is already on and I try resetting the network and doing a hard reset and still the location services don't work.

Did a google search and it seems like a lot of people is facing the same issue and some manage to get it right by restarting and doing a hard reset.

I tried my friend's 16GB wifi black and it is working whereas mine is not

Anyone is facing the same issue?

UPDATE: Location services started working magically. Keeping this thread open to receive more constructive inputs regarding this issue

Some information to understand more on how Location services works on Ipad wifi & Ipad wifi + 3G

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4084

This post has been edited by selinix: May 16 2011, 09:10 AM

Did u try update the iOS up to 4.3.3 ?

Mine is a iPad 2 32gb Wifi Black, also have issue with the location service, where when i open the map it won't detect my current location. I power it off, switch it on again, connect to my wifi ap at home, then it works.. it now able to detect my current location, same goes when I use my Nokia N8 as a hotspot.

My current iOS version is still 4.3.1 lazy to update to 4.3.3..

This post has been edited by fox_shinoda: May 14 2011, 02:50 PM

It is running on 4.3.3

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Added on May 14, 2011, 3:25 pmI tried rebooting

I tried hard reset (holding power + home button)

I tried resetting the network settings

Still not working

I shall try restoring to factory settings I guess

This post has been edited by selinix: May 14 2011, 03:25 PM

one more thing, did you enable location services for Maps in the Settings?

Yeap is on.. check and did everything I could.

I see a lot of people manage to get it fix after a reset. But some says it comes back after few days or a week. Not sure whats the problem.. hope Apple will fix this in the next update

I would suggest you to call Apple tech support Malaysia 1-800 803-638

That's why people bought 3G version. Can have location without wifi

And so your point is? sell my wifi and get 3g?

Mine only got problem on the first boot of my iPad, after that 1 restart it works.. I now have my iPad 2 for nearly 2 weeks now. The problem did not come back

This post has been edited by fox_shinoda: May 14 2011, 04:25 PM

Since when WiFi gives out coordinate?

yes

yes, they do. Not all though.

Are you sure? No way la...

This post has been edited by andrekua: May 14 2011, 08:51 PM

http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp

Try this and then paste the location (Latitude, Longitude) in Google Maps and see if it got your location right.

This post has been edited by andrekua: May 14 2011, 10:07 PM

yes. Sure bro. But not all can do wifi triangulation.

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Added on May 14, 2011, 10:25 pmoh by the way, why the hell people buy WiFi version and want to have location service? That's not making sense.

Please la. If location service important to u, go buy 3G version. I can't believe people go buy wifi version come back complain cannot use location service.

Many many time I said only 3G have GPS. Go buy 3G version. But still got people go buy wifi and then complain.

This post has been edited by gogo2: May 14 2011, 10:25 PM

and they said, no I dun need 3g. No I dun need GPS.

LOL

lol..tat's a lucky one

I do read in some forum that someone said similar thing like you do. Here is the funny thing .. I had my friend's IPad 2 with me which is on 4.3.1 and it work on my home wifi whereas my 4.3.3 ipad 2 don't work. After I've updated it to 4.3.3 it is not working like mine..

@gogo2

I do appreciate if you can just keep your 2cents to yourself. I have my reason for my purchase and I don't need your comment on that. I'm here to understand what is the issue if you don't have anything better to contribute do take your comments elsewhere Thanks.

This post has been edited by selinix: May 14 2011, 11:51 PM

That narrow down the possibility then that your unit might be faulty.

Did you read what I posted earlier. You still dont get it? Its the not WiFi routers that sent out GPS coordinate.

Its not the router problem. I dont want to debate further on this.

I think you get me wrong

The thing now is i'm having 2 ipad wifi that have issues with location services and both is on 4.3.3 ..

Not sure if you understand what I'm trying to tell you. Don't bother to use location service if you're using Wifi bro.

What? You didn't read properly.

Maybe. I think location service might depend on the locationgate thingy.

Not sure if u understand.

Location service doesn't only apply if you are on the go.. I can drop down at any wifi spot and check in with my location for many purposes.

Hence, I don't agree with your must buy 3G mentality.

Wifi triangulation does not work all the time and its not accurate.

That's the reason why people use GPS bro.

My intention is not to use my IPAD as a GPS device. And like I say location services doesn't necessarily has to be used when you are on the go. I can drop by at a wifi point and probably check my location to know the place around me.

The reason why I came up with this thread is to understand why the location services is not working and what is the reason behind it. OS? Hardware? WIFI? why some work some don't work? I'm very particular with my gadget and if there is something that is not working I would want to find out why it is not working.

https://discussions.apple.com/message/13280...sageID=13280286

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1117102

Here are some of the ppl who are facing the same issue btw

since u update to 4.3.3 where they remove location tracking software from 4.3.3, probably due to this issue.

I'm not sure if Apple will fix this or just let it be.

No, Apple did not specify that they removed them.

They do:
Deletes the cache entirely when Location Services is turned off

They remove the location cache entirely.

You obviously dont understand how this whole thing works. A simple search on the internet would solved all this.

WiFi devices do not send out GPS coordinate. So how does it work? (I will include Google here because Maps is based on Google version but Apple did have their own WiFi database collection).

Actually, what Google and Apple are doing is collecting a database of WiFi hotspots, routers etc, through our Iphones, Ipad 3G, Android phones and tablets. What it does is actually acquiring some basic router info such as MAC address (which is unique for each device) coupled with signal strength etc, and then mark the location with the help of the GPS chip in our Iphones, Ipad 3G, Android phones and tablets. What WiFi Ipad does is gather the router info that it can find in the surrounding area and compare that to the WiFi database in Apple (or even Google perhaps?). It calculate the signal strength that its currently receiving, compared to the records in database, to guess where you are. If you are in an area where the WiFi devices havent been added to the database, it wont work.

One of the reason why it works better at certain place like US, is because Google has a team of mobile tracking van, going around everyday to collect such info which is why Google is now being targeted in US for violating privacy.

Of course, this is based on what I understand from online reading. What Im not sure is what trigger the data collection to activate. Is it when we launched map application or everytime the wifi is activated, on our GPS enabled phones and tablets.

Delete the cache from your devices does not mean its not going to be updated to their WiFi database.

this is one way of doing it though.

That's why to reduce all this headache, just get a 3G version.

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Added on May 15, 2011, 12:48 amI mean, the location service might depend on ur cache. Hey, I'm not apple. I can only guess.

So.... just forget the location service for WIFi version.

This post has been edited by gogo2: May 15 2011, 12:48 AM

You still have an option if you have an Iphone. WiFi Ipad does get GPS coordinate when tethered to Iphone hotspot.

Nope. This myth already busted.

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Added on May 15, 2011, 12:52 amhttp://johnmarshall4.tumblr.com/post/4061084217/debunking-the-wi-fi-only-ipad-tethered-iphone-4-gps

This post has been edited by gogo2: May 15 2011, 12:52 AM

Oh, did not see that coming.. bad luck then for those who wanted it..

Anyway, for RM400 more, I would buy a standalone GPS device and have better maps+navigation.

depend lor. Location service is fun also.

Depends on who you are asking. I almost wanna shut my facebook with my friends always updating their locations... wasting time going through pages of worthless info.

a lot of people will butthurt with ur statement

my mistake sorry

And that is the reason why I started this thread.

Thanks for your input though

This post has been edited by selinix: May 15 2011, 09:46 PM

Then how come I am using a mifi device which is not fixed to a single location like wifi routers and yet my wifi ipad seems to be able to triangulate my location. Reckon they maybe accessing the cellular towers location data thru my wireless 3G mifi device to triangulate our location. To a 50m or so accuracy.. Interesting discussion...

I actually want to test the location services by connecting my ipad to my 3GS through wifi tethering using 3G connection. But somehow I cant get it work using the mywi app from cydia

I don't know about that link or that guy, but I personally tested it out with my iphone 4 tethered to my ipad 2 and yes IT DID WORK. I was in a wifi dead zone and even can turn on north up or track up mode. It followed my orientation just like as if it had a built in compass. But its pretty obvious its getting compass data from the iphone itself.

Strictly speaking since the iphone already is getting gps data, about the only useful thing about the ipad app is that we get a bigger map. In real practice we wont be needing to open two devices just to find out where we are.

Both running on same version. 4.3.3, original iOS. Its not getting realtime data though, unlike if u were viewing it on the phone directly. It polls the iphone about once a minute, just like mentioned in other websites. But compass data feed is realtime.

This post has been edited by slickz: May 16 2011, 12:28 AM

He could be wrong or you could be wrong.

But having GPS on board is easier than tether. You're wasting both battery life.

I rather have convenience of having a GPS and 3G onboard.

True having it on board is better of course, but the extra cost for 3G hardware? Let alone monthly data plan commitment? Wasting money, especially when the user already owns an iphone.

extra cost is not much compare to the convenience. Its like buying GPS but build in.

Take photo can geotag easier with GPS.

Its not really that expensive for extra GPS.

And with 3G, well, sometimes you might want it. Its an extra.

@slickz say it right.. why would you want to do all the GPS thingy.. photo snapping with geotagging when you already have an IPhone?

This post has been edited by selinix: May 16 2011, 12:52 AM

Well, I can do location service better. LOLOL...

and.. well, nowaday all we want is small pics to post to blog and facebook. 0.8mp is way enough.

Actually its just all convenience bro.

Apple is one easy to use device. Added GPS convenience is a boon. RM400 is very little money to spare for such great
convenience.

And again, we don't really know if we can tether GPS from iPhone.

And.... having big map GPS is great. RM400 is very worth.

I cant really answer you whether or not WiFi iPad does get such info when tethered to our phones/mifi. Like I explained earlier, WiFi iPad does not necessary depends on the router that we are connected to triangulate. It rely on the routers that it can find within your surrounding that it can find to locate itself. I also wonder about how often the data will be updated.

If wanna test, I think need to go to an area where there is totally no people living there. It would create a wifi dead zone and see if WiFi iPad really gets their location right.

I believe that is just your own opinion.

What I'm saying to you don't step on others purchase just because you have your own reasons for your purchase it doesn't mean it applies to every single consumer out there. Just have some courtesy in your words if you are really genuine in giving your opinion and not going around stomping on other's purchase just because you think they made a wrong buy.

Not everyone thinks like you do and especially the part that RM400 is a small amount.

fyi, Wifi model does come with digital compass, the only thing missing is the GPS module and 3G thingy

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Added on May 16, 2011, 1:18 amit does work with my mifi and home wifi too on my iPad 1st gen wifi. Initially it doesn't work with my home's wifi.

Not all wifi router are able to communicate the location data to iPad thou.

I think this mifi should be able to give you quite an accurate location data.
Huawei E583C


This post has been edited by psyeo: May 16 2011, 01:18 AM

Just to update that the location services is working fine now. No idea what happen but it just works.

Don't be so tense up on this k people. It's an interesting discussion and let's discuss in a friendly manner

This post has been edited by selinix: May 16 2011, 01:24 AM

You're the one who is tense and unfriendly thinking of other people try to step on your purchase. Maybe you should relax and accept your unit no gps and can't give good location. Not sure why you so angry when people say that you need go get 3G version.

Be gentlemen a bit and pls mind your word.

Just be because u're upset does not give u the right to judge others.

This post has been edited by gogo2: May 16 2011, 01:32 AM

WOW look whose talking.

I think I don't need you to check out your own post on the first 2 pages to remind you of your "opinion"?

Anyway let's end this.. if you have better input feel free to post but if you want to come in here and tell people about your superior reasoning of buying the 3G IPad 2.. go start a thread in kopitiam instead

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Added on May 16, 2011, 1:43 amI'm not angry but instead I'm intrigue by such a ridiculous answer.

This post has been edited by selinix: May 16 2011, 01:43 AM

Actually the answer is simple. You want reliable Location Service, get a 3G version. Not sure why he butthurt over such answer.

Truth hurts I guess.

Excuse me which part of my thread that speaks to you that "I want a reliable location service" ??

You got problem understanding the question or you just like to drop by at everyone thread and lay down your "perfect sentiment" of your purchase?

Exactly.. and my whole point of the thread is to understand why the location services works in such a way on the IPad 2 just to understand the issue better. Period.

Before I leave this thread:

A) reliable - always can get location - iPad 3G
B) unreliable - sometimes can, sometimes cannot - iPad wifi

I will leave this thread open for further discussion and inputs on this matter.

Check this out

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/302063...tart=0&tstart=0

This dude had mentioned that he don't have such an issue with his first generation ipad whereas the "canot determine location" happens only on his Ipad 2.. and there are a lot of replies from other users indicating the same issue also.

Just curious why on the Ipad 2 it tends to work intermittenly even on the same router.

Kthxbai

This post has been edited by selinix: May 16 2011, 09:13 AM

Probably Apple disable Location Service for iPad 2 wifi only so that you guys will buy 3G version. Its just my assumption.
Another probability is 4.3.3 cache related fixed. They might screw up location service when they fix this cache issue since
you only have this issue after update to 4.3.3.

The 3G version is kinda cool if u run it as a GPS... huge 9.7" LCD for navigation even the blind can see clearly.

This post has been edited by acbc: May 17 2011, 11:38 AM

You bought the second hand iPad 1 with 3G?

Guys, no need to sweat, ipad1, ipad2, if yr location services are not working after an update, just do a reboot (hold yr right top button + home button simultaneously). It will work.

Cheers!

I've done it couple of times. But it is still not working.

After sometime it just works mysteriously

Maybe this problem only applies to iPad 2 coz I have been trying with my iPad 1 on 4.3.3 and it's working all time with the Map app.

Once u hv done yr reset, if it still does not work, off and on yr location n maps at settings again. It will work.

Do read my previous post. I practically did all the plausible steps to fix the issue but it don't work.

It just went back to normal mysteriously. Haven't really tested it in different wifi spots though because most of the time I'm using it from home.

Thanks for your suggestion