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post May 13 2011, 02:59 AM, updated 15y ago

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This is a really interesting interview, clubs like Chelsea & Manchester City is not fair for spending big but little return unlike clubs like Real Madrid and Manchester United.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/745/fifa/2011/...n-the-champions


Added on May 13, 2011, 3:01 amOh, and i take back on MU, the club actually at loss tongue.gif

http://www.goal.com/en/news/755/europe/201...-with-financial

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post May 13 2011, 03:12 AM

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at loss solely due to the bloody debts those yanks brought in...other than that it's fine as long as we remain competitive on all fronts and winning championsips, and the club won't go "bankrupt" like some ignorants would say even when we are winning trophies
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QUOTE(SGSuser @ May 13 2011, 03:12 AM)
at loss solely due to the bloody debts those yanks brought in...other than that it's fine as long as we remain competitive on all fronts and winning championsips, and the club won't go "bankrupt" like some ignorants would say even when we are winning trophies
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So you're blaming the club owner? Interesting.
Wonder how long does it take to pay back all those debt. Will make the world much better. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(jonrwg @ May 13 2011, 04:02 AM)
So you're blaming the club owner? Interesting.
Wonder how long does it take to pay back all those debt. Will make the world much better.  whistling.gif
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oh ok then the owners are not to blame...blame it on SAF, blame it on the players and staff, and blame it on the fans like us becoz we couldnt fork out 500m gbp to pay the debt...pandai...

green and gold looks cool though thumbup.gif

perhaps a decade or more, forget how long the pik bonds were due, but they only cover like 200m iirc, im not sure

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post May 13 2011, 04:11 AM

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QUOTE(jonrwg @ May 13 2011, 04:02 AM)
So you're blaming the club owner? Interesting.
Wonder how long does it take to pay back all those debt. Will make the world much better.  whistling.gif
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so we should blame SAF for buying so many players, spend so big, shud blame FA and UEFA for prize money too low, ticket price too low, sponsors too low? Interesting

only ignorant fans who choose not to know the facts behind, and say oh mai, man utd can win because spend big la.
INTERESTING!

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post May 13 2011, 07:52 AM

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blame players mau gaji banyak banyak... sell Rooney pls
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post May 13 2011, 08:29 AM

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@Swagadore: It doesn't take into account all finances though, I heard. So If Roman wants to build a new stadium for the club he can do that.

WV: Yes, that is correct. Stadium expenditure & youth development do not count towards FFP


i think this is the most important part of the FFP. Good thing they excluded it, all along I thought youth development are included as well =.=

well I would say tough luck for Man City. Just got into the Champions League (thinking it's about time they reinforce their club with better players) and then this FFP comes into play. Let's see how they juggle trophies with revenue laugh.gif

all the best Liverpool hope we finish higher then 4th, quite possibly below Man Utd and Arsenal
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This Financial Fair Play thing only takes into account the wage/(footballing turnover ratio) isn't it. Losses due to non-footballing causes doesn't take into account . From the list i only see that Arsenal and Man Utd who spend less than 50% of their revenue on wages tongue.gif
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post May 13 2011, 11:19 AM

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IMO , financial fair play should also involve distributing equal share of wealth across the league so that players don't have to leave small clubs to earn big money with big clubs..

this will improve competition as all competitors can at least actually hoped to win the competition when they start the season.

this will also reduce the dominance of mega-clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.

this will at least give opportunity to fans who loyally support their hometown clubs the hope to achieve genuine glory rather than resorting to be glory-hunters and support the big clubs..
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QUOTE(samlee860407 @ May 13 2011, 04:11 AM)
so we should blame SAF for buying so many players, spend so big, shud blame FA and UEFA for prize money too low, ticket price too low, sponsors too low? Interesting

only ignorant fans who choose not to know the facts behind, and say oh mai, man utd can win because spend big la.
INTERESTING!

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There's no reason to be so angry (wonder why most Mancs fans are even when doing so well already)

At least your debt did not affect your teams performance on the pitch.

I think this FFP is a more direct 'slap on the face' for your city neighbor..
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post May 13 2011, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ May 13 2011, 11:22 AM)
There's no reason to be so angry (wonder why most Mancs fans are even when doing so well already)

At least your debt did not affect your teams performance on the pitch.

I think this FFP is a more direct 'slap on the face' for your city neighbor..
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my post is actually direct to jonrwg. it's that glazer who loan a huge amount of money from bank to buy the club (dei, if no money don't beli la). the huge loan leads to huge interest. But jonrwg seems to think differently, and maybe he thinks the owner are not to be blame?

so my INTERESTING actually got 2 meaning smile.gif

and yes, FFP is more towards city for the recent years. Chelsea shud be better now? not sure about that though


Added on May 13, 2011, 11:42 am
QUOTE(aressandro10 @ May 13 2011, 11:19 AM)
IMO , financial fair play should also involve distributing equal share of wealth across the league so that players don't have to leave small clubs to earn big money with big clubs..

this will improve competition as all competitors can at least actually hoped to win the competition when they start the season.

this will also reduce the dominance of mega-clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.

this will at least give opportunity to fans who loyally support their hometown clubs the hope to achieve genuine glory rather than resorting to be glory-hunters and support the big clubs..
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mega clubs like real, barcelona and man utd got huge fan based, bigger stadiums that are always full, getting money from sponsors and TV and competition (like always enter CL), won't really be affected

FFP is more like targeting other clubs when they are a normal one, but just because some super super rich suddenly decided that he want's a football club, buy it, and then totally transform it by investing using his own money.



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post May 13 2011, 11:47 AM

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what will happen if the clubs breach the rules?
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post May 13 2011, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(samlee860407 @ May 13 2011, 11:39 AM)
my post is actually direct to jonrwg. it's that glazer who loan a huge amount of money from bank to buy the club (dei, if no money don't beli la). the huge loan leads to huge interest. But jonrwg seems to think differently, and maybe he thinks the owner are not to be blame?

so my INTERESTING actually got 2 meaning smile.gif

and yes, FFP is more towards city for the recent years. Chelsea shud be better now? not sure about that though


Added on May 13, 2011, 11:42 am

mega clubs like real, barcelona and man utd got huge fan based, bigger stadiums that are always full, getting money from sponsors and TV and competition (like always enter CL), won't really be affected

FFP is more like targeting other clubs when they are a normal one, but just because some super super rich suddenly decided that he want's a football club, buy it, and then totally transform it by investing using his own money.
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i actually find the latter quite romantic... how else would you do to turn a normal clubs into a challenger... if you stop people from voluntarily investing into small teams, than the usual rich clubs will become richer and the poor clubs will continue to become poorer..

i dont mind mega clubs earning extra true stadium attendance, merchandising, sponsors and prize money. Buy IMO tv money paid for the competition should be devided equally among the competitors of the competition.

i think this is applied in Germany. Thats why you can see different clubs can contest for the title each year.

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QUOTE(kyle9 @ May 13 2011, 11:47 AM)
what will happen if the clubs breach the rules?
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ban from playing in CL and europa

QUOTE(aressandro10 @ May 13 2011, 11:49 AM)
i actually find the latter quite romantic... how else would you do to turn a normal clubs into a challenger... if you stop people from voluntarily investing into small teams, than the usual rich clubs will become richer and the poor clubs will continue to become poorer..

i dont mind mega clubs earning extra true stadium attendance, merchandising, sponsors and prize money. Buy IMO tv money paid for the competition should be devided equally among the competitors of the competition.

i think this is applied in Germany. Thats why you can see different clubs can contest for the title each year.
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EPL tv revenue system is still much better than la liga eh, when real madrid and barcelona can sell their television rights individually (haven't change yet rite?)

regarding the TV revenue to be divided equally among all the teams in the league, it will create even more discussions and arguments lol
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post May 13 2011, 12:17 PM

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yes.. that's explains why Real Madrid and Barcelona is the biggest mega clubs not only in Spain, but the whole world....
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post May 13 2011, 12:49 PM

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If you read the Q&A, a lot of 'Man City' and a little bit of 'Roman' here and there..
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It's good in a way they it won't allow the 'sugar daddies' to just buy new toys every season for the club despite them not making much money every year. But from what I read other people discussing about it is that the club can always find loopholes to fix that.
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QUOTE(SGSuser @ May 13 2011, 04:08 AM)
oh ok then the owners are not to blame...blame it on SAF, blame it on the players and staff, and blame it on the fans like us becoz we couldnt fork out 500m gbp to pay the debt...pandai...

green and gold looks cool though  thumbup.gif

perhaps a decade or more, forget how long the pik bonds were due, but they only cover like 200m iirc, im not sure
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Chill, i tot there were news that someone is gonna take over Man Utd from Glazer?
Just be patient and a brighter day will come. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ May 13 2011, 02:06 PM)
Chill, i tot there were news that someone is gonna take over Man Utd from Glazer?
Just be patient and a brighter day will come.  biggrin.gif
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No ler, Glazers stubborn one, they are still sucking millions and millions from the club every year, to cover some of their debts in US some more...no point they want to sell when they can make fortune$ in the long term...
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QUOTE(weichieh007 @ May 13 2011, 12:49 PM)
If you read the Q&A, a lot of 'Man City' and a little bit of 'Roman' here and there..
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in name of the competition, both of them contributed a lot actually.. before this, both Chelsea and Man City are practically no-hopers whose only jobs is to fill fixtures so that glory-hunters can watch their glory teams... if more people like that come out to voluntarily lose money so that Stoke and Bolton can win the league, the competition will become more interesting..
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Actually club like chelsea and manchester city, even if they are a loss, the owner indirectly absorb the losses. Still, they have lots of money to spend.
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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ May 13 2011, 08:29 AM)
i think this is the most important part of the FFP. Good thing they excluded it, all along I thought youth development are included as well =.=

well I would say tough luck for Man City. Just got into the Champions League (thinking it's about time they reinforce their club with better players) and then this FFP comes into play. Let's see how they juggle trophies with revenue  laugh.gif

all the best Liverpool hope we finish higher then 4th, quite possibly below Man Utd and Arsenal
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bukan terus implement tahun depan ler
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post May 13 2011, 07:23 PM

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anyone know the estimation of mancity's loss to profit per week?

probably... advertising, sales of ticket and merchandise , deducted by salaries?

iim sorry, idk wat else is involved in football's trading world, but if u know, please let me know.
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QUOTE(nanamiwashio @ May 13 2011, 03:41 PM)
bukan terus implement tahun depan ler
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nono can be said it is implemented tahun depan bro bcos starting this June, for the nex 3 years all clubs cannot hit debt of more than 45million euros iinm

after 3 years it's gonna be spend what you earn only
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For those of you who are trying trying to make sense of Glazers, debt and football finance you should follow

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This blog is primarily about the financial affairs of Manchester United Football Club and the Red Football group of companies of which it is the key part as well as looking at other aspects of football finance and governance. In 2011 I hope to write more about other clubs and their finances and look more closely at UEFA's new "Financial Fair Play Rules", which have the potential to change the economics of European football forever.



http://andersred.blogspot.com/p/about-this...d-about-me.html




For those of you who are trying to make sense of how MCFC will toe FFP guidelines read his 'unbiased' article

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Manchester City clearly believe they have found a way through the FFP regulations that effectively channels Abu Dhabi's wealth into the club in bite sized and UEFA compliant chunks from various nominally independent sources. It will be very hard for UEFA to argue against these deals, but there is surely a limit to how far City can push this process. With commercial revenues now rivalling United, Real Madrid and Barca, further closing of the FFP gap is going to have to come from the more traditional source of controlling costs and winning trophies.....




http://andersred.blogspot.com/2011/07/look...commercial.html




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post Jul 20 2011, 03:00 AM

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In his closing post, previous City TS, stated and I quote

QUOTE(niuchin @ May 16 2011, 06:48 AM)
Don't fret about City meeting FFP regulations.
Rest assured we have 'volumes of technical & economic feasibility studies on MCFC  conducted shelved in  Sheikh's library'  by by our capable  inhouse experts (Gary Cook et al) & external consultants hired by ADUG to meet the requirements in our BLUEPRINT or Masterplan.
You might speculate about the details but rest assured that City has a well-defined masterplan and a blueprint that will comply and meet the spirit and intent (within the letter) of FFP. Albeit City maybe 'be pushing or bulging the envelope' to break into the 'CL group or cartel' which non CL FCs deem as 'protectionist or cronyism'.

One of the maxim I advise to footies before they post in this or any other forum;
Cogitate, Correlate & then Communicate. I don't think thats hard to comprehend especially regarding topics such as this. Is it?

Thats precisely what this LSE educated Gunner fan did today in his renowned blog which I will post in its entirety here
http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2011/07/ma...-deal-know.html

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Should Platini or those Anti-City crusaders open up the can of worms? wink.gif

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man city + psg kena this sanctions riao.

EDIT: based on above, UEFA seems to have different idea. so, UEFA is biased?? brows.gif brows.gif

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QUOTE(sinoffire @ May 7 2014, 11:12 AM)
man city + psg kena this sanctions riao.

EDIT: based on above, UEFA seems to have different idea. so, UEFA is biased?? brows.gif brows.gif
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the limited squad for UCL will really hit them hard. blush.gif
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surprised me there is even an 'negotiation' kinda thing btw UEFA and the club but ya the 21 players + 8 HG limitation will be an PITA.

Don't quite get the intention of this

UEFA will also reportedly ask PSG to limit their transfer activity, allowing them to buy one player at 60 million euros, but forbidding them to break down that sum to buy two players, for example, at 30 million euros or three at 20 million euros.

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because FFP count every transfer by seasons..

for example if you buy Torres for 50mil on a 5 years contract..

they will account that transfer as 10mil per season player.

that is why under FFP team always go for the longest contract possible..even if they buy on a big transfer fees.

 

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