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jason1818
post Mar 27 2012, 07:09 PM

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hi,all

i wanna ask, for RWD car such as avanza, after we change 2 new tyres, which tyres should we fit on rear? new tyres or old one? I heard from forummers (other forums) mentioned that 2 new tyres should be on rear (coz avanza is RWD car), but when i asked the tyre shop guy, he insisted new tyres always on front no matter your car is FWD or RWD, becoz braking power always needed more on front tyres hmm.gif hmm.gif

So, can sifu here give me a correct answer ?? icon_question.gif icon_question.gif Already enough that i heard someone said new tyres on front, some said on rear (we talk about RWD cars here), but till now still no one confirmed answer shakehead.gif shakehead.gif

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post Mar 28 2012, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(jason1818 @ Mar 27 2012, 07:09 PM)
hi,all

i wanna ask, for RWD car such as avanza, after we change 2 new tyres, which tyres should we fit on rear? new tyres or old one? I heard from forummers (other forums) mentioned that 2 new tyres should be on rear (coz avanza is RWD car), but when i asked the tyre shop guy, he insisted new tyres always on front no matter your car is FWD or RWD, becoz braking power always needed more on front tyres  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

So, can sifu here give me a correct answer ??  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif Already enough that i heard someone said new tyres on front, some said on rear (we talk about RWD cars here), but till now still no one confirmed answer  shakehead.gif  shakehead.gif
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any sifu can have an answer for it?? icon_question.gif icon_question.gif
jason1818
post Mar 30 2012, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Mar 28 2012, 05:53 PM)
dude.. put the new tyres on rear pls..

if front lose traction, u can still try to control or maneuver the front with ur steering

if rear lose traction, u can't do anythg to control or maneuver the car. so it is important for the rear tyres to have the strong grip.


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It only apply to the RWD cars, right ? (put new tyres on rear)... For FWD cars, we still need to put the new tyres on front, right or not? What you guys think about yokohama A drive tyres ? how's silverstone kruizer pula ?
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post Mar 31 2012, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(poweredbydiscuz @ Mar 30 2012, 01:19 PM)
Doesn't matter RWD or FWD, new tyres should always be installed on the rear.

This is because good traction on rear tyres is important to prevent oversteer, which is almost impossible to control compare to understeer.

more info on http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/tec...e.jsp?techid=52

no comment on ur last question coz never try em
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hmm, brother, i have already read the article .. but honestly for ages, we have been told that new tyres always on front. right ?? Does it mean all the tyre people around also mistaken about it for dun know how many years already?? now actually i a bit rclxub.gif rclxub.gif doh.gif doh.gif hahaha ..
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post Mar 31 2012, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 31 2012, 05:00 PM)
another reason for that is because FWD wears the front tires much faster. so if you put old tires in front and new one back, back ones will wear down very slowly while the front continues its accelerated wear. in the end you will end up having to purchase another pair of tire sooner than you think.

the best way is to rotate your tires time to time (front to back and vice versa for example) and wear down all 4, then once all 4 worn up, change all 4 at the same time smile.gif
that is the most ideal way to change your tires, however because of the pricing of changing all 4 at once, most malaysians opt to rotate/wear in pairs and only change 2 at a go.
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Yeah, i know the best way to go is change all 4 tyres together, thats the most ideal way .. just sometimes people think about the cost factor cry.gif cry.gif
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post Jul 22 2012, 04:28 PM

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hi,
thinking to change new tyres and have been doing surveys and reading all the comments on here and autoworld, basically i have shortlisted these 3 tyres (215/55/17) :

1) toyo C1S
2) yoko DB Advan V551
3) yoko C drive

Actually I got a good deal from hin leong, klang for the toyo C1S, decided to give toyo a try, but after reading more reviews, I am quite concern about few complaints from toyo C1S, tyres wear off very fast (but i dun know how fast they actually meant) ... very quiet on smooth road, but theres noisy/weird sound when going on rough road .. how truth it is ?? and the difference between c drive & C1s only about RM40-50 per tyre ! So, Is it better to go for C1S, C1S is better than C drive in all areas ?? I am quite worry about the weird sound from C1S while driving on rough/uneven road, i dun know whether those sound would be very much annoyed ????? blink.gif

Some said DB advan v551 better than C1S in almost everything except the wet traction, but db v551 also a bit pricey than C1S rclxub.gif Now hin leong dun have stock for it blush.gif I know C drive is a old tyre tread design, but if they are ok, then i dun mind using them. just if the difference between c drive n C1S only about rm50 a piece, which tyres more worthy to go for ? icon_question.gif icon_question.gif (currently theres no C drive 2 available in this size)

My criteria for the tyres, more on comfort, quiet & of coz dry/wet traction must be average.

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post Jul 22 2012, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 22 2012, 05:00 PM)
1) no comment on Toyo as never used them
2) very pricey, however should be worth it if you can fork out that kinda money
3) old tread design, not worth it unless you're getting a huge bargain price for it. if anything, opt for the c drive 2 if you can get R17 sizes
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2) it seems like a well all rounder from many revews but the drawback is it loses in wet traction. V551 price
compared to C1S is about RM25-30/ tyre, worth to choose it over C1S ? Some said C1S quite good in wet
traction, ai ya, kepala pening la rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
3) old tread design, YES, but if its good tyre, not worthy to take also ? as i said, the difference between c drive &
C1s is about RM40-RM50/tyre. theres no my size for c drive 2 yet mad.gif
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post Jul 22 2012, 08:12 PM

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[quote=Quazacolt,Jul 22 2012, 05:53 PM]
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Toyo/Proxes-C1S.htm

seems like only quiet when new?
and it cost almost as much as advan db? ><

actually i have read that review also, but which tyres not noisy after half worn out ? what about c drive and yoko db advan v551? can those tyres quiet last much longer ? C1S & v551 only a bit difference, c drive cheaper than both.. I feel like want to go for C1S, but the mixed reviews of it make me think twice again ... icon_question.gif Think just go for C drive without hesitation but C1s which is japan made only rm40-50 difference with c drive which is phi made . shocking.gif So, dun know which one more worthy icon_question.gif
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post Jul 23 2012, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 22 2012, 11:27 PM)
you're not looking forward to spirited/aggressive drive or good comfort/quiet are you? cuz for budget tires, its damn hard to get those.

then again you DO have rm200 budget (damn healthy budget per tire to be very honest lol), and c drive 2 tires are ~rm220 for your size btw wink.gif

then there's michelin xm2, or continental comfort contact series.

bridgestone potenza?

for a better performance but cheap/reasonable tire prices, the koreans such as hankook v12/kumho (KU36? kept forgetting the model lol) offer really good pricing:performance ratios


Added on July 22, 2012, 11:29 pm

there's a lot of naysaying about silverstone, i personally never experienced them, however the way some are exaggerating, i guess i'd best not to.

falken is overpriced for what it offers. and soft compound that doesn't offer significant quietness/comfort seems to be a waste of treadwear imo sad.gif

achilles may be stiff which can result in harsher NVH, however for performance:pricing, they are very competitive if you have no regards to comfort/noise


Added on July 22, 2012, 11:32 pm

c drive 2 perhaps not as the treadwear is pretty bad. really really soft compound lol

advan db however is on a better compound and boasts better treadwear and still obtaining better silence/comfort. it has a premium pricetag attached to it though and i believe thats just about the only downside to it sad.gif

personally id recommend AGAINST c drive UNLESS you can get a real bargain price. considering it is of older tread design and compound compared to c drive 2, it is just basically for shops clearing old stock, and they SHOULD give cheaper price for clearing stocks agree?
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To be more specific, so far the best offer i got for c drive is RM 385/pc, with FOC balancing, alignment, and 4 valve tubes, but its oct/nov 2011 tyres, hows the price ?? reasonable ?? If not becoz of the reviews saying that weird sound/noise from toyo C1S while going on rough road and tyres wear off very fast, i would definitely want to go for toyo .. wink.gif wink.gif Dun know whether c drive or toyo C1S wear off faster ??? one is philiphines tyres, one is japan brows.gif Hope all sifu here can give me opinions coz i need to change those tyres as soon as possible .. blush.gif

 

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