agreed, treadwear is not the sole indication on tyre (and NVH) performance.

thing is, i do have few friends/users i met at tire shop(s) whom i chat with, do feedback that XM2 is not as quiet as most *INITIAL feedback* on LYN post/threads.

the general feedback i get is after 30-50% usage the tire noise will start to grow/deteriorate until it's no different than your regular cheapo tire.

and when it comes to performance, if according to what you described, then the other entry level tires are just as good as XM2 is for a fraction or even HALF it's price.

but yeah you put it best on the toyota and proton part: EVERYONE praise the WORLD on how good is toyota, and talks shit about proton. however when facts are demanded, no one can properly serve them without any bias.

and no i'm not constrained to just treadwear rating, because when you compare mid range tires from other competitor, they absolutely destroys xm2 with a fraction of a price.
my PERSONAL opinion on treadwear is that i do not prefer hard compound. treadwear means little to me as i prefer not to skimp on tire spending as i do drive very aggressively. again, it is my personal opinion that as your rubber tires are the ONLY thing between your vehicle and the road surface, it is essential that one pays extra attention to it.

also: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Energy-XM2.htm
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre-Type/Pas...-Touring-Tyres/
even the c drive 2 that people don't favor because of the poor treadwear is better than the xm2 overall.

and the above, is an example of some minor attempt at providing facts. not just "OH ITS DAMN GOOD" but how good? no one friggin knows. no one even bother providing follow up feedback/review when they wear their tires down or when shit happens that make them regret their purchase.

every week outstation? go michelin xm2 then

you go read around this sub-forum for pros lo...
con = stupid expensive price, mediocre performance, NVH drops after around/after 50% wear

recommended this based on your constant outstation criteria.

alternatives, perhaps can consider yokohama bluearth series or even c drive 2, goodyear efficient grip, neuton nt8000 and so on.

agreed.

and with that said, the message is basically take tire reviews with a pinch of salt
especially when they can't be bothered in providing more info beyond saying x tire is good/bad.

can't comment on the conti pc2, however cc5 are just shit. (sucks my new inspira gets fitted with them sigh )
how much have you worn down the xm2 anyways? most feedback is that it gets noisy around the half way mark.

there are many other (and cheaper mind you) LRR tires, how many of the rest have you tried?

and yes, as you mentioned, the tires are not made to corner/performance and yet everyone comments it like it's a uhp.
obviously its pointless to compare performance against the ad08, however i do drive on c drive 2 as my daily (2 set of rims for me, remember? ) and i even have hands on on the cc5 (and cc1 before it gets replaced to c drive 2 on the sentra) personally.

besides xm2/cc5/cpc2, what other comfort/entry tires have you used?

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jan 1 2014, 03:09 AM

i've experienced xm2 in various vehicles and most of them are quite worn, and yes the NVH is just so so (in certain vehicles where the chassis nvh itself isn't that good, subpar if i may say)

i'd actually prefer the cc5 over the xm2 when it comes to nvh, if only the tire wear (and various horror stories of tire premature wears) and grip aren't so questionable i'd totally go with the cc5.

from your list, experienced all of them (and personally owned cc5/c drive 2/a drive/xm1) except the certis.

as for the xm1, these could last practically forever, and back then michelin weren't so nonsensical on their pricing. they were pretty much competing with the a drive however the grip (particularly wet grip) wasn't so good while the a drive is having a poorer treadwear with so so nvh. that said, despite the 300 treadwear, most a drive users STILL clock well over 40-60k km

NCT5, grip's probably the best among the list around/on par with c drive 2, cept the nvh is among the worse and it has no benefits of LRR/improve FC.

c drive 2, or perhaps can give a try on nitto neogen (yet to try it myself personally however those that did had very positive feedback bout the tire)

That's the thing though, people kept saying wear out fast, however I've gotten more than 40k km on my iswara and used more than a year. Many countless spirited driving and even one track day with it.

The tires still got at least 20 to 30%left

My mom 's Sentra c drive 2 lasted even longer with more mileage as she drives more sensibly

when it comes to comfort and decent performance, the advan db will surely be better than the c drive 2. iinm treadwear also much better.

yeap

that is damn cheap bro, good choice

if you're looking for long lasting, xm2 wins hands down. however if you put that on a lower priority, yokohama bluearth/bridgestone ecopia would be better in comfort and from various feedbacks, safety (grip) as well

16" also got

funnily, max performance tires are actually more expensive than extreme performance lol

mainly because they have to cater to more demands/purposes.

c drive 2 for both.

gunh
and that's on a high powered evo x

if your car has less than 300 ponies, not all wheel drive, perhaps the treads can last much longer especially with proper tire rotation

no criteria? lol

c drive 2 a, bluearth a, ecopia a, xm2 a, neuton nt8000 a, nexen n8000, achilles atr sport a... banyak wo

c drive 2, achilles atr sport

not sure if the hankook v12 would fall in your rm200 price range, but if it does can consider that too.

additionally, if you top up a bit you may consider nankang ns2r, although be warned that the road noise might be a huge turn off

nightstalker1993
maybe can help this mei mei la

no idea on the dunlop/maxxis, though if you think the v12 evo isn't good, i'm afraid it may be a bit hard to get tires that could be up to your standards. especially when you've tried the likes of fz201/r888/rsr/ns2r.

to be honest, you're probably better off going back to the extreme tires, just not the semi slicks that may be bad in rain - eg: rsr/ns2r

more like, it's a bit hard to recommend uhp/high performance tires with rm200/piece budget