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This post has been edited by Poodlepaddly: Feb 9 2013, 09:59 PM

3k could've gotten you a damn good entry level setup ady and you probably wouldnt be posting a thread here. your idea of SQ and SPL is probably misunderstood. its actually much easier than you'd think, because SQ = sound quality, while SPL is sound pressure level. its just on the preference/emphasis hence the categorization of SQ or SPL, or a mix in between (coined by some people) would be "SQL", thats it. nothing about SQ being good on vocals and SPL being good only bass.

if you want to learn from experience, perhaps start listing the items you got, and the price breakdown for each item. then we can point it out to you on what went wrong down the road.

also, going to a reputable ICE shop could've saved you a ton of headache. if you're in KL area you can check out KF Audio or EA Autoworks

I will try to take some photos and list down my set soon.

But just to understand more, if i get a component Hertz component set like above for 1.5k, is it really worth it? And what is the difference between Crossover and a component? They both function as to seperate the vocal and guitar/background sound?

They say the player plays an important role in the sound quality. Thats why i am considering P80 and not Alpine 9887. But now i am still a bit confuse about the definition for SQ and SPL. Based on my liking of songs, how should i advice the workshop guy to recommend? I want metalica rock with good classical vocals. Not SQ with low numb bass or SPL with heavy bass that covers up the vocal. (pardon my description, still learning about ICE terminology.)

Your first youtube link scare the hell out of me~

But very nice song.... Out of the 3, I like the first one the most. Very nice song indeed.

But I like the chix in the 3rd one the most... Jas, someone sharing the same interest as you.

Ya, let's TT... Can I audit your car with the 1st CD not?

This post has been edited by MyWifeCar: Apr 29 2011, 04:43 PM

worth it or not is very subjective. if it doesnt suit your musical preferences, you pay 10k also wont be worth it lol. that said, for 1.5k component set, and being hertz (if its original and not fake lol) then it cant go wrong. all's left is if the component set suits your taste or not.

a crossover is used to separate the sound frequencies. for example: high freq goes to tweeters, mid to the mid/mid bass, and low freq to subwoofer. component set are well, a set of speakers and a crossover.

pioneer and alpine provided you're comparing the same ranges, are very identical and it'd be down to your preference in the brand and functions/interface. i personally prefer alpine

as for the definition, i've already explained previously, and its just that. plain simple. if you want to emphasize on sound quality, its SQ. if you just want to play damn loud until everyone you pass by will be shaken by your audio, thats SPL since you're emphasizing on sound pressure level. SQ does NOT mean low bass. SQ means sound quality. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. and sound quality means hitting the notes where it should. if the bass is supposed to go deep and hard, it has to achieve that. if the bass is supposed to be light and punchy, it has to play back the same. its really that simple.

always remember what SQ (sound quality)/SPL (sound pressure level) stands for, and you wont be lost at all on what they mean.

Rockers united : )



I see. This shop belongs to my another friend and he guaranteed that it is original Hertz set. My mind is already ready for this set, together with P80. What bugs me is my 3k worth of ayam brand half cut amp and woofer set previously : (

General speaking, Alpine is more famous for SQ right? Roughly browse through lowyat and can see some good supporter and remarks for P80. If it works quite okay and is not a ayam brand quality, then i think it should be a worth buy and to bring out some trance/rocker music effect. (i hope..)

SPl effect is cool, like you said everyone is shaken by your audio. But i dont want to shake other people. I only want shake my ear with therapeutic music. lol. My friend previous setup for SPL which i opened 4~5 hours non stop left me with a headbang (almost like feng tao) and i felt numb and moody when i left my car. lol. I asked them whether i can have a SQ Mid and tweeter and then a SPL woofer. They said such combination is messy and not recommended. In your term perhaps its called SQL?

Easy said, I am just going to go for the ayam brand Agako amp and Mix woofer, and then P80 and Hertz component set (mid and tweeter) Since my woofer is too hard and solid, i plan to get a bass mid at the back to bring out the "trembling" effect for bass. What do you think mate?

What "trembeling" effect?...surround?

Why P80 was suggested, is because of the function it offers... It has the function to tune it to your liking, you can adjust more spectrum. Alpine also have player with such functions, as such not necessary have to be Pioneer. But of course, whoever tune your car need to know how to play with it to suit you. If not, might as well just get a Pioneer 9xxx series will do...

My suggestion would be, use 1 sub will do. Ditch your rear speakers. Hertz is fine, but I think your sub is MTX la... no? It is "MiX" instead...? Itu panggil cetak rompak lah ...

Anyway, was your first 3k setup recommended by your friend? He is a dealer, right?

Because my rear woofer gives a bass that is too solid. Like Thum thum thum... Am looking for a trembling mid bass effect like the one inside a cave. (gelombang bunyi?)

Was considering P80 and P90. But i heard P90 is no longer in production. P99 is price at 4k, off my budget. Alpine range... dunno, let me survey : )

I think mine is Mix.. Another cap ayam. fck. Going Ice without a proper knowledge on the brands and setup is suicide!

wat about alpine 9887 ?

hold on a sec... your amp is agako or akago?

if its agako, it cant be that bad...

also, i hopoe you change installer this time... your another friend installer... obviously is trying to use your money for free advertisement by "shaking other people" or just doesnt know what is he talking about... ... personally i would stay away from such installer...

That's what I've been hinting him, but since you said it first .... I can only +1.

Actually I wonder why he needs 2 subs? I think 1 is enough. By combining the price of 2 subs, maybe he can already get something better. Instead of, MiX.

sorry taikor that i took the liberty first...

anyway... there is something i might add...

SQ=sound quality
SPL = sound pressure level
SQL= combination of both above

period.

But sometimes it just sounds wrong when SQ is all about the vocal talks, not the instruments, not the flow of music whereby its actually all that...

think of eminem for instance, without that good music playback behind those raps, he probably still be some underground rapper who just shouts and raps... nobody would listen to his albums... the reason behind his success is actually the way he rap plus the flow of music...

both these ingredient is also what makes your music sounds good... its not just the vocals, i mean eminem doesnt have a good voice, he is just awesome rapper... so a SQ setup doesnt mean the vocals are good, then its called SQ, its the whole bunch together making it sounds good, high, mids, and lows... it all has to sound perfectly in tune with each other...

as for SPL... well... this one is a sad case... its always mislead to me... local competitions sending the wrong messages and what not... if you watch youtube on the SPL cpmpetitions, each ride only has to go for judging for say 15secs... all you listen to is *fartssssssssssss* then there is a number on the meter... highest number wins... no music, no benni benassi...

so all i conclude all these by saying, although you are not listening to emi fujita, olivia ong or kitaro... dont worry about setting up a SQ system... because there is a whole lot bunch of people who listens to hard metal rockers shouting, electronica etc etc on a SQ setup... and they can tell you, they all sound absof***inglutely(credits to carcrazy) nice!

in the end... you dont need a lot of subs to play loud bass sacrificing the other side of the music, you just need a good matching, good system, good fine tunings, and also CD to enjoy music... and of course, the sound quality...

ps.. it actually doesnt always have to cost you an arm or whatever parts...

no, alpine or pioneer are pretty much the same. just a matter of functions/features/design/interface. for the most part anyways. hell, if you put a couple of people through DBT i HIGHLY DOUBT ANYONE could tell the difference of a alpine HU or a pioneer HU. so at the end of the day it really depends on which brand you prefer.

again, you do NOT need a "SQ mid/tweet" or a "SPL sub" to achieve the effect you want. straight SQ everything and you can STILL play LOUD and HEART THUMPING bass when its needed. if you even want to coin it SQL also no problem. at the end of the day, its just a definition, an abbreviation, nothing more, nothing less.

and if you're up for SQ, forget the rear mid bass >.>
waste of money.

so long your regular mids and subwoofer performs as it should, accurate (i really have to emphasize on this lol), solid, heart thumping bass can be achieved. if you worry on the mids so much, you can PERHAPS go for a 3 way setup. there really is no need for rear mid bass if you're emphasizing on SQ.

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Added on April 30, 2011, 7:10 pmcant stress this enough. hell, i ALMOST went in the same path as you (or as most malaysians did/do with their ah beng cars LOL)

however thankfully, LYN sifus saved me and even recommended me a nice shop to leave all my worries bout ICE to that shop (or forums XD)

also, TT sessions, if you're really serious bout ICE, do attend as many as you can. it gives you a lot of knowledge on setup, brands through chatting/discussions, and most importantly, you can listen YOURSELF on how other setup/brands/models sound like.

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Added on April 30, 2011, 7:14 pm



http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=41947372
post #2 first reply


sorry bro, was way ahead of you this time

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Apr 30 2011, 07:14 PM

Point noted.. Yes i guess you guys are right. I feel like 3k dumped into nothing. Wasnt really into Ice until he recommended a set with that price. Now i feel the set is pretty off what i required. What a tuition fee : (

Agree. Because my Triton rear space is limited, putting 2 woofer is really pushing the limit. Going to ask him if can customize the fiber casing into one woofer only. Thats the least he can do for me now.



Crazychild, your this above sentence motivates me to go full SQ already. You are right that hard rock metal songs is not all about heavy bass. Its the vocal, instrument, and combination of bass that makes the rock song, rocks. Or maybe i am looking for SQL. Assuming if i DITCH my previous 3k setting (cap ayam amp, woofer) Can you guys please help to recommend a SQL setup?

SQL Setup
Player: P80?
Mid & Tweeter: Hertz component set
Amp for mid/tweeter: which brand/model?
Amp for sub woofer: which brand/model?
Woofer X 1 : Which brand?
I just want a setup that can perform the 3 songs i listed on the 1st post nicely... I am seriously open to suggestion now before i invest again.. Please advice.......


I believe we share the same type of song interest. Please help me to recommend a setup above? A rough brand/model guide will do. I will do my research on the brand from there on for a rock SQ setting.

if you dont mind doing some "follow up homework", my previous 8 pages thread sorta got everything you need to know covered lol.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1157391

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derp forgot the link. and yea, i *almost* kena cap ayam'd lol. all thanks to the good folks at LYN that i can enjoy my ICE now

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 1 2011, 04:52 AM

Bro, lotsa guys on a traditional 'SQ' setup play metal and rock really loud. Just that SQ starts to get expensive when you want it loud.

I've heard SPL systems where proud owners only wanna feel the booms, nevermind what the artiste is singing.

I've heard SQ systems where proud owners only want the clarity of the voice, nevermind that the music has no kick or soul.

We generally want music that's alive, makes you tap your feet and maybe sing along.
So you'll want SQ with decent SPL for a good balance.

A higher end Alpine HU with an Audiocontrol processor should be on your shopping list. Alpine sounds a bit better for Rock than Pioneer.
I dun have any experience with Hertz (assuming its ori), but for that range you can also consider Focal K2P or Dynaudio Esotec 242.

Do it once, do it right, then retire. Good luck.

I will do some homework from there Quazacolt. Thanks for showing the way mate. Will ask if theres any question.
*reading.

Damn i like the sentence in RED! : ) Yesh, i want SQ with a good SPL balance! More like 70% SQ 30% SPL. I want the clarity of the vacalist's voice and the crisp sound of the eletronic instrument! With a little bass (may it be mid or sub) to bring out the energy of the song.

I plan to ditch away the SPL amp and sub, and get a SQ setup. Will research about Focal K2p/Dynaudio Esotec 242. Now i just need a recommendation for a SQ AMP (2 channel or 4 channel) for the rear sub and mid bass. Any brand recommendation please? I currently have a Agako (2 channel) for sub and one cap ayam 4 way for my mid/tweeter.. I plan to change BOTH of this to some brand that is at least trustable. Rockforce? American sound? Kindly recommend as this will help me better approach my dealer to change my setup. Thanks mate!

This post has been edited by Poodlepaddly: May 1 2011, 06:04 PM

just bought Justin Bieber CD for my 5.5year old daughter. she's singing 'baby baby' in the car and keeps on repeating the same track. dats the best part of building 'analog sounding' system. it plays everything well!!..

the cons: will be listening to the same CD every time when she is in the car!! lol.......

Have a budget in mind... Then easier to suggest what can be done.

Yeah, easier to reco if we know your budget. Focal and dyns were mentioned to match your rm1.5k price tag. I would actually reco scans discovery. Very very value for money but not exactly cheap. Call carcrazy. We listed a very decent system for around rm10k, satisfaction guaranteed for that price range. Sometimes it's hard to decide what's good if you lack exposure.

Point well noted. You are right, i should have given a budget range before i asked you guys to reco. Sorry my bad.

The budget i am willing to invest now on my ice will be about 8k, +- RM500. For this price range i would like to get a player, component set, amp (4 channel or one 5 channel) and one sub woofer. The path i have selected will be SQL. (sound quality with a little bass to bring out the energy in the songs)

please tell me you at least pirated it rofl

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Added on May 2, 2011, 9:08 pm8k+ is a lot, pretty much mid range ICE already. Id recommend for your but sadly mid range is out of my league and ill just leave it to the other sifu here to recommend.

all's left is a installer/shop in mind to get those hooked/tuned up and you're pretty much set for retire unless you want to pursue more in ICE'ing (move up to high end range, upgrades etc)

notable installer/shops around KL i would recommend in no particular order would be KF audio/ea autoworks/audio creations.

feel free to call up any of them. EA autoworks/audio creations also post on LYN while KF audio doesnt.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 2 2011, 09:08 PM

Maybe you want to consider 2nd amp, which is good... Then the rest you might be able to spend on better component and sub and HU...

Then also, some proper installation job.

cant go wrong buying ori's CD's..
this CD has become her top priority things. cannot leave it in the car if she's NOT there...

amp + monoblock to be more precise? XD

eh rip for me lololololol

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welp! to each his own

hi all....sorry to interrupt half way tru...just wanna pour in my 1 cents..

to be honest, i believe most of us here have gone through the same path as OP, starting ICE, ask around friends which audio shops are OK, then go in ask for price, price nice, install, done, excited for the 1st time listening to the new system, listen from driver's seat, passenger seat, from back seat, then listen from outside of the car....
then start to ask friends to give comments....some say "oh nice nice shiok...", some say " ahh, too noisy...", some say "ahh? got difference arr? sorry arrr...i don't know leh...."
then one fine day, when we got a change to listen to the "REAL" thing, a proper SQ or SPL setup in other cars...we're like.... and the worst part is, the entry level for either SQ or SPL isn't actually that expensive, probably a little more then what we initially spent! *ahhh.....i've been conned!!*

to the OP, in my humble opinion, you don't have to rush to change your whole setup. if you're really interested in ICE, or rather "sound reproduction", and willing to take this as a life long journey to pursue the ultimate set that u really like, make full use of ur current system. Make this system as your benchmark at this point of time, what u like, what u don't like, or rather, to be more direct, listen to couple of your favourite tracks, repeat it numerously....try to do active listening and compare your car system to any speaker/headset/earphone that are accessible...they may sound the same initially, but try listening a few more times.... : (these are some example that i always do....)

1) probably start with the vocal as this may be the most obvious part of the song...try to define how's the vocal like...the easy term is whether the vocal is "thick" or "thin"....with this, we can't really know speaker A sounds more accurate then Speaker B, because we doesn't know how does the singer sounds exactly in live, unless u're able to record someone's voice with a calibrated mic and play it.....the purpose of this is to try to differentiate how different speakers play vocals....the other thing with vocal u might be able to notice, given that ur recordings (CD) are good, u'll be able to listen to the singer taking his/her breathe when he starts singing, or he/she is singing with watery tongue,etc etc...sometimes, u can even hear the mic being switch on just before the singer starts singing...

2) where's the position of the vocal? can you "see" the singer sings in front of you when u close your eyes? is the position of the vocal wide spread, coming from everywhere, or u can define a single spot where the vocal comes from? Is the vocal right infront of your face, or far behind the windscreen? Is there a 2nd singer present? if so, are the 2 vocals mixed together, or u're able to spot them individually?

3) next, try to listen to the instruments in the background as well.....there might be a drum set(can u listen to the few different toms, the kick bass, the cymbals, whether the drummer just hit the hi-hat or ride cymbals, or he just stepped on the hi-hat...), guitars...electrical guitars, distortion guitars, acoustic guitars (try to differentiate nylon or steel - strings), bass guitars, and in bass guitars, try differentiate the different bass notes... , violins, piano, and the list goes on....this will be very useful if u're familiar with instruments as u'll know how that certain instrument should sound...if not, don't be despair, try to get some audiophile recording live performance, listen in your car and various different speakers, then watch the video of the performance (which means you have to look for one that have CD and DVD/youtube version). watching the video helps you to confirmed what u've heard, and what u've not heard....or even better, go to live performance, and my personal preference, jazz, try go to any jazz bar with live performance, listen to the instruments, the vocals, and the positions...

4) listen to your drivers (individual speakers), get used to how they sound, are the tweeters too bright? too mellow, or just right to your taste, how about the midrange, sounds just right, or muddy? same goes to your mid-bass... and for your sub, as u've said, its too tight, not deep enough...maybe u might wanna find some other tracks with deep bass notes, because probably, the songs that u're listening to may not have the deep bass notes, hence u're unable to listen, or rather feel them....[i personally love Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl Original Sound Track, some of the tracks are nice and goes deep....=) ] other members might suggest a few for him too? ^^

now, after being soooo long winded about active listening, here comes the important part...
All this fine details will be useful for you in future to compare with other setups. I believe all ICErs(either SQ or SPL from all different levels) are willing to let you in to their cabin for a listening experience, and hopefully by then you'll know what u're really after, what u like, and what u dislike...
therefore, it's quite important for you to familiarise with ur current setup before jumping into other proper SQ or SPL setups because that time, u'll concentrate and find out what's soo good about this particular setup that your's are lacking, what you don't like about this setup, what components they are using (obviously, only if they don't mind to tell you...), by this, the "components" doesn't refer to the tweeter, (midrange if 3 way), mid bass, it refers to the complete set, from what headunit, what speakers, in what location, what amps, what sub and how was it setup being sealed, ported, IB, or bandpass and etc, and the size of the enclosure, what speaker cables they're using, the RCAs, any processor used, how did they cross all their speakers if it's active setup, etc etc etc...if its too much, probably focus on the speaker and amp combination because i believe that's the 2 components that will determine how the "sound" will be.

listen to as many setups (SQ or SPL) as possible, take note on the components they are using, if it happens that u're able to listen to the same speakers with different amplifier, take note the difference as well....

without a point of reference (in this case, its you who are doing active listening to your setup, hence your setup will serve as a point of reference), u'll be amazed on every single car you enter that has been properly setup without knowing what u like and dislike, and u'll be more confuse as all the components are soo good that u don't know which one to choose from.

and also to let you know ahead, every car has different acoustic properties, hence, the exact same system will not sound exactly the same in two different cars. they will only sound similar....

for the active listening part, its all about frequency response of all different speakers with different components hooked up together in different environments. If you're interested, more can be talk about this as this is a totally different topic...

I'm not a professional, i'm just a beginner in ICE and i'm after my own ideal SQ setup. Above all are not my ideas, they have been pass on to me previously by different people from different continents with the same aim: to build the ideal sound system of your own. So i'm here to share abit of my experience in searching my ideal set of ICE. if you're interested in my journey, i don't mind to share it with you....

last but not least, always remember that everyone has different opinion in their taste, u might find no one in the community that likes your taste, but not to worry, because you're the one who spent the money, so it should sound right to you, not to others. as the saying.."always trust your ears"


just my half cents....=)

*pls do correct me if i'm wrong, as i'm also a normal human that are bound to make mistakes...

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Added on May 3, 2011, 1:18 ambtw, my experience may lean towards SQ setup, so alot may or may not apply for SPL...

This post has been edited by hyy87: May 3 2011, 01:18 AM

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Agree with you completely.

But from forum experience, most ppl dun bother going to TTs for exposure. They just come to forums like this, ask questions a for a week, then go to some installer and buy what the installers recommend instead. Then they get disapointed again and call it an ICE day.

The ones who start in forums then carry on yamcha and audit for a few years are few and far between.
The last time Craziechild came down to KL only like 5 guys showed up (I also din go, sorry bro lol).

Ppl dun understand that ICE is all about experience. Specs will only give you 20% or so. I guess because most forumers here are essentially PC heads.

So my point is .......... I also dun know. If ppl are interested enough, they will pm someone with experience and try a TT 1st.

on to that, AFAIK im like the only one in the LYN ICE community that plays anisong. havent been able to meet anyone else and its kinda lonely

that said, definitely have not worry me one bit as in the end, everyone is just having that same passion for music

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Added on May 3, 2011, 2:49 amfixd
you have no idea how much i want to go TT lol.

really happy that i got to try out larry's proton, (though albeit having some issues with the subs, and lol sorry cant remember the model) howie's estima and mywifecar's latio.
and yes, thats craziechild's TT along with victor (carcrazy i believe lol) from audiocreations and howie from ea autoworks (for the rest who doesnt recognize them lol)

the 2nd TT was really disappointing though. didnt get to go into anyone's car T^T

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 3 2011, 02:49 AM

haha... krayden... no problem.. still got chance in near future... expecting 3 more trips to KL later this year...

so when's the next tt

am still new into ice, more into sq , but aagain,, budget, started off wit ameron top model comp , and ameron amp, half year, after listening to my supplier speaker, poison, and just change to alpine type x comp set

still saving for better cables
( dun shhot me, now using those cheapest rca cable :

Bro, I am all ears.. I started my ICE journey a bit rough and impulsed. Now i gotten some ayam brand stuff in my house. Trying to fix this now. As once said, DO IT ONCE, DO IT RIGHT. THEN RETIRE!


Whats TT? I know its some kind of ICE gathering right? Wont mind joining one! But i am based in Kuantan atm.. let me know if there is a future TT.



Hmm, Larry (proton), Howie (estima) and mywifecar (latio).. I envy you guys with car that has rear bonnet.. I am driving a Mitsu Triton and i dont have much space inside : (

This post has been edited by Poodlepaddly: May 22 2011, 09:54 PM

TT = test and tuning, or Teh tarik if you prefer lulz
but yea, generally, ICE gathering, sit down chat ICE, then main event: audition people's cars

now, this is where you're horribly wrong. because... *drumroll* *(ei howie/mywifecar: dont mind me stealing the honors ya? LOL) howie got his subwoofer at the handbrakes compartment, while mywifecar's sub is at the pessenger side under dashboard compartment. LOL

to me, it doesnt satisfy me, after all im having a full sized boxed and ported 12"sub in the trunk, and being an anisong listener there are many song that can be really bassy/upbeat, and i lean a lil more on those songs anyways myself. thats why some may refer my setup as SQL especially when i tend to turn up the volume high just so im in a world of my own within my car

i had fun setting up a triton few years back... its one hell of a car to play ICE with...

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Added on May 4, 2011, 12:55 amnext TT you asked? hehe... will be going down in July...

look out for invites...

This post has been edited by craziechild: May 4 2011, 12:55 AM

Count me in bro in the next Teh Tari.. *cough i mena test and tuning session! I will come down all the way to see this

Crazychild, I am loving what you said $_$ triton good to play ICE? I installed one fiber casing for 2X 12 inch sub at the back. While the results is a much solid bass, some people told me it will overheat my sub and amp too fast. Reason being the space or cubicle squarefeet isnt sufficient? Lots of people said one 12 inch sub is enough.

This post has been edited by Poodlepaddly: May 22 2011, 09:55 PM

one is definitely enough... setup up a lot of hilux vigo, ford ranger and triton... definitely one 12" is enough because your cabin size is so small already... all the rides i help setup was using custom made sealed box...

well... overheat the amp and subs?? the vigos i setup never had any probelm till now.. that was 4 years back... unless of course, your amp is under powered, or well... your gain is too high...



This post has been edited by craziechild: May 4 2011, 09:17 AM

im intrigued by your "definition" of solid bass lol. because to me, 2 chicken brand subs will do nothing more than destroying any form of clarity and sound stage. so never mind solid bass when your music is totally muddied. unless of course you're a bass head and all you want is just nothing but bass, then i rest my case heh.

on the overheating part also, unless you're having some horrible setup and/or driving in the desert or something, non chicken brands wont overheat as easy as you think. chicken brand though, well, they've already cut so much cost already, how durable you think their materials/equipment can last?

and yes, for most, if not all SQ setups, 1 ported well sized 12" sub is more than enough.

Long story. Visited a shop and my friend offered a set of stuff. Called it ICE. The only question posted was "U like heavy metal songs? Use this". After 2 weeks, sub woofer died off, amp fried. Had my lesson. Enough of the past I am ready to move on.

Agreed when i go SQL next, i am getting one Sub woofer and a good one. No more fcking cap ayam i kick you if i ever see u again u ^*&%(&^ chicken essence brand!!!

lol really amp fried/sub dead? maybe still can salvage. however i think at this point you wouldnt really give a damn after being poisoned by the various threads/advices here

ps: one sifu here is using

Today, i officially announced that my mid and tweeter is now fried. HU is playing but no sounds is coming out from anyway of my car. I guess from today onwards, i will have to sing all my favourite songs myself.

*ohhh gad, give me a sign! This cant be anywhere better right!? : (

waiting for your new setup to complete lol

That song is a very classic and popular song from a finnish band called nightwish. http://bit.ly/1PyQzi
This was during the time tarja was still there. It allowed the blending of opera voice with metal.
The new singer has a more rock edge voice. different style. but music wise all i can say toumas is a very talented writer. http://bit.ly/ldrdX5

Notable songs
Tarja period -
1) Nemo
2) wishmaster
3) Phantom of the opera (nightwish version )
4) Bless the child
5) Beauty of the Beast

Annette period
1) Amaranth
2) Bye bye Beautiful
3) The poet and the pendulum ( Must hear really really long but superb track)
4) Escapist
5) 7 days to the wolves

Other band around the same genre is within temptation from holland, epica from holland, lacuna coil from italy.
http://youtu.be/qGdzgcDllYE

Personal preference in my setup i tend to focus more on the vocal range when i listen to these type of songs

cheers

Very unlikely all 4biji of mids and tweets die at the same time. Prolly your RCA loose or your amp giving this prob. Need to check one by one.

Yesterday was driving on highway, so blast music a bit loud.. But for 0.7 second i did hear a zaaa zaaaaa sound from my HU. Maybe you are right, its my RCA problem.. Ala... blast ICE at volume 20 for 4 hours already like that, not sustainable la this setup

This post has been edited by Poodlepaddly: May 5 2011, 07:02 PM

You forgot Planet Hell from the Tarja period. One of the best done by Nightwish imho.

Anyway, to all that posted here, thanks a lot for the advice, really helps!

Could just be your fuse.

Usually what is the life cycle of a standard ICE Setup? (understand that there are diff model, setup, factors etc) But just a rough gauge? Cant be 2 weeks only if i overload right..?

I am hoping for a standard ICE setup, it should last at least 1 year without breakdown. (Small fine tuning is of course) And still be able to function for the next 3 years without major worries. Am tired of driving out everyday thinking when will my setup collapse. Pointless...

im just on entry level and its way past a year already.

like many other forumers said, it could be just minor issues like fuse blown, or RCA loose. may not be the ICE equipments itself even if its chicken brands

Been jumping onto lots of ppls car lately listening to their ice. Still looking for someone's setup that I can say "dang...."

I think I spent too much time reading stuff about ice. If only I can just settle for the sound quality from my pc woofer and speaker, life would have been much easier. But nuuuu, I had to sit in my friends SQ Ice. Took a few sip of ice poison. and let my deep dark enthusiasm devil have the best of me. Can't believe how "far" I went to learn more about ice. I feel so immature looking back at my ice journey

general Malaysian's ICE is well, you know, what you've been through lol. or lol ah beng SPLs wwwwww

I hate you : / lol

This post has been edited by Poodlepaddly: May 7 2011, 04:15 PM

I got my amplifiers at 3rd hand used....guess they are roughly 6-8 yrs old from when they were introduced....

Guys, what do you think of the brand Hertz, assuming it's an ori set? And for brands like Domination, German Meastro, JL. Any remarks about these 4 brands like being entry level?

a standard ICE setup last a lifetime... excluding the need to replace the caps and etc etc...

except for the drivers.... imho...

I am looking for an amp to serve my purpose. Just need to be sure of what brand I am getting this time. I dont want to drive 5 years down the road thinking, maybe I should have done more research and gotten a better brand in stead. I don't want to upgrade a little here a little, sold current amp get new amp.. Overall cost can be reduce if we can just do it right 90% for the first time. and unlike previous exp, I would like to at least get a decent amp/speaker from a reputable manufacturer/brand. also once installed, there's no refund already. Best get at least 90% right this time.

But please share your comment for Domination German Meastro, JL, hertz/audison or other brands. Ty

You need to consider Scanspeak Discovery or Vifa XT25/PL15 with custom passives.
For amp, my personal favourite would be used McIntosh. Even 50W x 4ch will sound better than a 150W x 4ch of competing brands.

All available with Carcrazy. Only budget would pose an obstacle. These drivers and amp need no further upgrading, unless you're looking at sifoo level.

High budget items... Would easily cost a lot $$$$ especially the amp alone..

Vifa is lightly cheaper then Scanspeak I believe, but build wise Scanspeak is better as its from denmark n Vifa is from china but designed in denmark.. custom passive around 1K++ speakers 1.5 - 2K~.. amp , cables .. But its worth it wen u listen to it .. Its all depends on ur budget...

Im in the middle of building mine own ICE setup so have been going around surveying the a lot of brands, models, prices.. but it depends n ur budget n wat type of music u gone listen to... So the best choice will be the choosing the best model within ur budget, start going around n talking to the shop guyz n also sifu's here n if possible audit some ICE setups in shops... Draw up a list of models wic u think might be suitable for u based on all ur surveys n do some online research n read some reviews... then make up ur mind.. its nt purely on brands, each model of the same brand might be for different type of music...

This post has been edited by all blacks: May 8 2011, 04:05 PM

Thanks bro Krayden and allblack for the advice. Will try to visit s few audio shop see if they have any ice to test. I hope to audit ice with ears, not just looking at product spec sheets. Which is something hard to find lately. Any ice kaki in kl who can let me audit their car this coming weekend? :3

there's ppl like to talk about brand, there's ppl like to talk about look, there's ppl like to talk about performance....how many ppl here used more than 5 different brand of comp set, amp and sub before and can differentiate them if it's not compare side by side? who's recommendation are more neutral? you ain't getting any good recommendation here. Human can't memorize sound.

I agree that diff people will offer diff suggestion. Guess I just have to place faith in my installer. This time, I know I have meet a good one.

Howie, see you this coming Friday. Cheers.

This post has been edited by Poodlepaddly: May 8 2011, 10:33 PM

KL? i thought you mentioned you're from kuantan/kelantan or something?

You can guess that's how 'far' I went to learn ice.

Aiyah, just short of 1 set of comps to qualify. Ok la howie, I leave the reco to you. Best of luck.

"My questions are: While SQ are for good vocal and soft tingling sound effects. And SPL is for heavy hard bass. But what about songs with eletronic guitar, eletronic piano, like in Benni Benassi? Those are not gentle vocal. Its not heavy thum thum bass. Its electro trance. Is there a thrid category other than HQ and SPL?"
quoted from 1st thread OP

frontstage comps
to achieve the following above, standard tuning done will be
1. amp gain settings
* i prefer NOT to scope, by ear much better sounding
2. set high pass for the front comps
* conventional seetings HP at 70Hz-90Hz
* some juz let it through, meaning NO HP at all so ur midbass keng!! but eventually mids will die easily, cause any 6.5" mid cant play dat low + its mounted in freeair!!
3. EQ settings on HU
* min tuning as EQ band is limited and NOT powerful enuf since its a digital proc
4. strong + sturdy MDF baffle with a modified custom-made umbrella at the back of mids to protect rain water
5. dampen door
6. tweak tweeter angle positioning

optional tweak:
1. reverse polarity on 1 side of the mid to achieve better staging
* but will lose midbass and body/weight of the music, meaning sacifice ur midbass + midrange density for the sake of imaging


note: all the above is conventional tuning method for most cars. but honestly after playing for so many years of ICE, the method above is NOT sufficient enuf to achieve the requirement above

this is juz my honest opinion, pls dun flame me

*like

No Carcrazy. Any suggestion is upmost welcomed. Already i new to ICE. If there is people who are willing to suggest and share, i am more than willing to listen. As my boss once told me, no question is a dumb question. That is how we improve from day 1.

This post has been edited by Poodlepaddly: May 8 2011, 10:45 PM

others to consider, need to have PRAT- pace,rhythm and timing in the system
low output impedance power supply to any hardware is critical. filtering, providing decoupling between power supply and amplifier signal circuit to suppress unwanted transients and digital high freq noises.
extreme low inductance value needed for high freq output filtering.
impedance mismatch between all hardware. most audiophiles are paying 100% for their systems but are only hearing 70% of its full potential.
symptoms - loss of dynamics and texture. more obvious symptoms include a lack of attack in the music (not just bass, but every single note played), a lifeless and thin “digital sound” and a need to turn up the volume to achieve the same sound level.
inject flavor into the system to achieve natural tonality. pure audio/simplicity setup is not sufficient!

This post has been edited by carcrazy: May 9 2011, 11:28 AM

^ I am sorry, is that Spain? Or was it German?

its easier for you to understand if you were to experience it in ur own car.. better still with before and after so u can do a AB comparison of ur own setup.
by understanding the statement above, one can pursue with a direction. so dats my job!! u can leave it to me.
i consider dat as a optimization stage any given setup, to further bring out the SQ or SQL

playing/setting/install with the following(but its mandatory) is NOT sufficient. cause many areas has yet to rectify
"frontstage comps
to achieve the following above, standard tuning done will be
1. amp gain settings
* i prefer NOT to scope, by ear much better sounding
2. set high pass for the front comps
* conventional seetings HP at 70Hz-90Hz
* some juz let it through, meaning NO HP at all so ur midbass keng!! but eventually mids will die easily, cause any 6.5" mid cant play dat low + its mounted in freeair!!
3. EQ settings on HU
* min tuning as EQ band is limited and NOT powerful enuf since its a digital proc
4. strong + sturdy MDF baffle with a modified custom-made umbrella at the back of mids to protect rain water
5. dampen door
6. tweak tweeter angle positioning

optional tweak:
1. reverse polarity on 1 side of the mid to achieve better staging
* but will lose midbass and body/weight of the music, meaning sacifice ur midbass + midrange density for the sake of imaging "

note: the above is still consider a plug-and-play game. u need to customized in order to excel further with existing hardware. dats the 'key' to audio nirvana!! not by playing the upgrading game(buy-sell-buy-sell) over and over again. end up juz going in circles!! dats why u alwiz see thread like " WTS: high-end system for sale, reason: quit ICE"
cant get the sound after so many times of upgrades and money spent

conclusion: there's is an end to car hifi upgrade. so like our sifu krayden said, " do it once, do it right then retired " and simply enjoy ur investment, the musicality system in ur ride.

hope it helps!!
happy icing

This post has been edited by carcrazy: May 10 2011, 12:55 AM