It's like saying "Oh hey.. kyheng is actually a mutant space alien with 4 balls from outer space.... but I'm reluctant to share the so-called proof because of being targeted by intergalactic head hunters".

If you can't back up what you say with hard facts and proof, you're better off not saying anything.

This post has been edited by izso: Jul 5 2011, 07:01 AM

Consider an active sub if you're having a small budget and want bass. Active subs cost around RM500 to RM900 depending on quality and brand. It's better than replacing speakers and expecting them to give you good bass

Did I hear "Scanspeak"? Ooooh.. now we're talking.

So if I invest in a thousand over scanspeak ring radiator tweeter I'll get instant better sound? I don't think so. You obviously know nothing about ICE and is only interested in what you read.

People like howie, myself, Zenn and a few other people can setup a perfectly decently priced setup, tune it and it'll sound better than a poorly setup higher end system. Case in point, my current Myvi is using stock HU, custom door panels (not those you get off Brothers mind you), custom sound proofing, high sensitivity component speakers, matching speaker wires and an active sub. Compared to a system that was using much more expensive HU, MBQuart component, A/D/S/ amp, Rockford sub and enclosure and soundproofing, my simple setup sounded much better when playing Hotel California from Eagles.

So what if your brands are super expensive and super branded? If you don't set it up properly it'll be crap either way.


My question to samwongjyhhorng is what do you want from your ICE? How far are you willing to go? (in terms of $$$) Have you tested peoples ICE and found what type of sound you want? What sort of music do you listen to mostly? Once you have answered these questions then it'll be much easier to determine what it is you want and setup accordingly.

Unless you got RM20,000 to spend, then I can setup a system that'll suite your requirements until you grow old and deaf. If not it's best to work with a tuner, not a brand. And everyone's ears are different, what I like may not be what you like.

I suggest you find some friends who have the same car as you and have ICE installed. Then listen to their cars and determine if you like it or not. If yes, then find a trust worthy installer and get the installer to do the exact same setup for you.

Btw, what car do you drive?

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Added on July 5, 2011, 9:52 pmAisay.. I'm not a retailer mah. How I know the price. I put range RM500 to RM900 mah.. so could be anything in-between lor.



This post has been edited by izso: Jul 5 2011, 09:52 PM

Dominations is an Indonesian brand and they copied a lot of designs from Dynaudios and some other brands. The entry level Dominations are not too bad and because they are made in Indon, it's relatively cheap.

Stellar and Epsilon are most likely made in M'sia. But having said that made in M'sia isn't necessarily bad. Renovatio made by Audiocreations in PJ is pretty damn good sounding. As long as you like how it sounds and it suites your budget, I say go for it.

No point listening to people say "BUY BUY BUY Brand XXXX... VELLY GOOD YOU KNOOOOW" but you can't afford the price tag.

This post has been edited by izso: Jul 6 2011, 07:10 AM

if you didn't have the problem in the past and have it now, it's a problem with your current install. Aeroplane is mostly caused by :

1. RCA and power cables too near or overlapping or crossing.
2. Poor grounding or no proper grounding for the amp.
3. Problem with amp. Something might be damaged or burnt.
4. Problem with HU.
5. Your amp is not getting enough power.

It's highly unlikely it's #6 because I'm assuming you're using a solid state amp and not a tube or hybrid amp. Persona and Wira share almost the same current and if not mistaken use the same battery type.



As for the other person who asked about the RM2500, it really depends on whats given to you. A good pair of speakers like the Italian Rainbow speakers, the basic range will set you back RM750 give or take. A simple underseat woofer would be between RM450 to RM900 depending on brand. Coaxials will range between RM150 a pair to RM800 depending on brand. RCA most likely won't be using those expensive ones and the very normal ones costs RM30 to RM50. Then speaker cables probably about RM2 per meter for the cheap normal ones. Installation cost and all needs to be factored in as well so RM2500 isn't too far fetched. It all depends on what is being quoted to you and who's doing it.

If I were you I'd focus on the source, the output and the power supply. Speaker and RCA cables are very subjective and do not give you fantastic results if everything else is not optimized. Alternator, battery, power cable, individual power cable to HU, capacitors, better speakers, better HU all will give you very noticeable differences for the cost you spend on getting them.

If you currently have a Pioneer HU and have stock speakers you'll hear some difference over stock HU. Invest on better speakers and you'll hear even more differences. Using a RM2 per meter speaker wire over a RM110 per meter speaker wire will give you differences but not as significant as changing the speakers.

That's exactly what I said! LOL! Mike listed out his progressive upgrades and I was like

2 thumbs up for Krayden's golden ears!

After all that you're DEKITTING???? Wah... SALES!

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Added on July 13, 2011, 7:07 amPlenty of reliable shops. Just a matter of whether you want to listen to the nonsense some people spew online just because they read XYZ on some random forum.

So far the responsible + reliable sellers who have shops (or are tied to a shop) that I've come across are Howiechoo, Zenn. The shops that I've personally had good experience with is CV Audio Uptown Damansara and AudioCreations (but I doubt AC would have what you're looking for since they are pretty niche).

The only one to avoid is Megasound in Subang because they've screwed me over once before and their aftersales service is absolutely rubbish.

I've never had any dealings with the rest so no comments.

This post has been edited by izso: Jul 13 2011, 07:07 AM

Well, hope you find what you're looking for. A decent complete setup will set you back approx 1.8k to 3k depending on brand and setup. Invest on a properly done door panel. Don't waste money on those Brothers door panel add-ons and what nots. Right now the common way to do the door panel is to use the ready-made mould and to cut and stick onto the lower front portion of the panel. There are pros and cons to this setup! You tend to kick it often and it's a little too far away from the location of the tweeters (if you get any installed). Another setup is a custom mould where it's located higher in the mid-front section of the door panel. That's actually more ideal!

Anyway - if you're interested in doing up your ICE for your Myvi, check out some of the Myvi forums and meet up with some of the guys there and see what they've done for their setup. I've met a few and they aren't crazy (except 1 fella) in terms of install and are all pretty good sounding. Once you've determined the type of sound you like, then only invest in the hardware.

Good luck!

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Added on July 15, 2011, 7:09 amWei! I'm very keen to hear your Latio! If your car is enough to poison Drex that's saying a lot!

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Added on July 15, 2011, 7:13 amI also want to join! How many Bybee's do you have in your setup btw?

This post has been edited by izso: Jul 15 2011, 07:13 AM

Oldskoolboyz : dude! Wah, haven't seen you in a long time. Since when you started selling ICE?

The admin folks in LYN are not tolerant people. It only takes so much before they unleash their powers to keep this forum neat and tidy, which in my opinion should be the way.

Anyhow, let's all have a Audit-Krayden's-System TT!!!

I didn't get to go. But I've heard a lot of praise about Krayden's ICE. I also know the installers so I know what they are capable of. LOL

Don't listen to hearsay. Trust your own ears and pockets. If installers allow, ask to test the amp first and ask to test the JL too. Then just pay for whichever you feel is the best to your ears.

Class D amps are extremely efficient amps and run pretty cool compared to AB, A or even hybrids. Due to their designs, they can be really small too in size. The new Alpine PDX range of amps are class D but they've been tweaked since the 1st generation PDX and actually sound different.

So don't believe the hype that you hear from people. If it suites your budget, requirements and makes you happy when you hear it (compared to others) then I suggest you buy it.

Sure boh taiko? If you do start this project please let me know when. I want to come document it and post it as a headline story!

Where do you stay? If KL there's loads to choose from

oldskoolboyz : Woi.. mana ada? My Myvi only has a sub 2k setup and my other car a sub 4k setup. Cukup la! Not as crazy as some folks here who've spent 5-figures on their car systems! Remember Doc? The fellas cables alone cost more than his kancil!

XForged : The best deal would be to find a trust worthy installer and have that person customize a setup to suite your taste. If the installer is good, he'll allow you to change and change to your hearts content too. I'll PM you more.

Like what Krayden said, save up for better speakers. Putting an amp for your stock speakers is not going to make the sound better, it'll just make it louder. If you want better sound, change the speakers or the head unit

Howie : Uh... quantity or quality??? Go sleep la. You're confused already. Hehehe

Nameless : 300 to 400 doesn't really give you much option I think. You might want to check out the higher end 2nd hand components if you don't mind used. Better than lower range cheaper components.

You can't expect boomy sound from component speakers only. I have 8" Dynoaudios with fully soundproofed doors and it can't boom as well as my active subwoofer. Consider an active subwoofer if you want bass without the space sacrifice.