Alright, before I go a little bit in depth about this topic, I would like to point out that this may be against our beliefs and religions, so yeah.. an open minded thought and response would be good.

Now, I stumbled upon this topic a few months back, where a classmate of mine sent me a video about the illuminati, which at that time, I had no idea what it was or anything related to it. For those who have not heard of this 'secret organization', head over to : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati and read a bit about it in order for you to gain a complete understanding over the doubts that I have in mind.

1) Is it true that this group actually exists, involves many international artists and worship Satan?

I'm a big fan of rap, and every now and then, I hear verses in songs that make me think twice about the illuminati. (Jay-Z - Empire State of Mind -> Life starts when the church ends) and many other songs. Next, a simple search in YouTube would bring up tons of videos regarding famous artists like Eminem, Jay-Z, Kanye West, Rihanna, Lady Gaga and Britney Spears and their connection with the secret society. You'd be able to spot MANY different satanic symbols in music videos of the artists that I've just listed.

Well, it could be a coincidence, but as far as I know, music videos are shot in a completely controlled environment, therefore everything that's in the video is actually planned, and it cannot be a coincidence (I could be wrong though). You might want to watch Rihanna's Umbrella video clip and do a little bit of research on it, and you might just be surprised with your findings. READ THIS You might argue that this explanation is a little too much, and the writer is just paranoid, but I couldn't come up with a better explanation or a logical answer so really, I'm rather confused.

Apart from that, Tupac made a track titled "KILLUMINATI". In his tracks, he makes lots of references about the Illuminati, and from what I can see, he had something against it, and some say, that's the reason why he was killed. This is just an example, lots of other artists make lots of references about Satan, the Illuminati and stuff like that in their music and their videos.

2) If it really is true, is the media behind it as well?
2009 VMA's MTV

Read that.

Everything just seems to fit in the puzzle, but it doesn't at all seem logical to me. If its supposed to be a secret group or organization, then why make it so public and obvious? (The goat image can literally be seen in all of Gaga's videos with ease.. )

3) Are the big guns involved? Ministers.. Presidents.. NASA.. ?

Now, here's something I came across. Go to your web browser, and type in itanimulli.com which is illuminati spelt backwards of course, and click enter. Just wait for the site to load up, and see where it brings you too. You can also see various images of presidents, ministers and even the pope using the 'Illuminati Handshake'. Not sure why they do that, or what it actually means, but yeah.. just WHY?

4) Are they really planning something? Or can this whole theory just be brushed off as a joke or something?
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Let us discuss this, and yeah, give me your thoughts on why this is real, or just some fake rubbish.

1) don't care

2) they worship money

3) that doesn't mean anything. It does not mean they registered it. Anyone can register any domain name and point it at anything they want. For instance, I can register itanimulli.org and point it at forum.lowyat.net.

4) brush it off. The only people taking this seriously are conspiracy nuts. They are a sub-group of a larger group of people called "nuts".

Ah yeah, the third explanation of yours makes sense. But that doesn't explain why subliminal messages are displayed in music videos? Ones that are related to Satanic symbols. They want money, and fame, fair enough. But Lady Gaga for instance, she's definitely a millionaire already, so I don't think that clears my doubts.

Also, these subliminal messages are pretty wide spread. You can even see em' in cartoons nowadays.

Illuminati = A group of ppl claim them self, who r gods messager, can predict future & etc.....Book （Angels and Demons）

光照派(Illuminati)：各种自称获得上帝特别光照启示的基督教神秘主义派别的总称.....

Just My opinion Only....

for me:

1) if u believe it, then the thing exist. Pls note, if u r tooo much believe, then it may not good for u.
2) second, bcos this is sesitive topic, any words may offend ppl & cos series problem.

3) "human weak point" Yes, many ppl believe in the "things" that can give benefit to them, example: Many ppl from diference race, & religion like to gamble. Y? cos human r reality. Second one, we may heard many ppl (include profesional ppl) "kena tipu", cos when certain things of disease cannot be heal by tech now, they will seek for the help of "god". Then fall to the trap. What i want to claim here: when some one fall in darkness, they will hope the gods can help him....but.. PLs note.. the "GOd"~ is that true it exists, or some one claim about it? If the person in good intention, they will said, this is an test from god, without suffer, they r no happiness. If the guy r bad intention, then...u need to pay XXX RM XXX... Human ...

4) If i no misstaken, i know a anime call "blassreiter" (talk about demon, dissapointment, darkness..) , story back ground take from this incident (reflextion) & correct me if i'm wrong. One of the point in this anime said:

Joseph: "why some one born to be suffer, but other rich, & like to be bully"
Father: " No matter how hard the time, what we face, human life have it own valueble of living"

5) Lady Gaga not importance in this incident, Lady gaga got high value in promoting it. Some rumor said got rich rich ppl involve...Y? Rich PPl & politician also got weak point, mind can be manipulate by other.

Conclusion, Things have good & bad, depend on how the user use it. Like Gun, gun can kill or protect. Some ppl very care about it, but some dun.....What i rekomen r..try to associate with other ppl who from diference classes & back ground....if one keep accosiate with certain group, yes...it easily manipulate by other.

Sorry for my bad English......

Edit. Oh yeah, some of my frez (from secondary school) believe Predator (AVP2004) is the God the create civilization of Human, after they watch the movie.....So do u believe it?

This post has been edited by peace230: Apr 19 2011, 01:58 PM

illuminati invite those rich and powerful person to join them

Which ever the cult / group is all about power, even conspiracy theory helps to sustain that power / influence. If somebody can make alien as god, then it is to them, still need money to survive and money is more powerful than god in reality.

Fair enough, forcing or luring famous and rich people to join them, but I still don't see a valid reason in promoting the so called 'evil society'. I mean, its pretty obvious that the signs used in videos, directly or subliminally, are all related to the secret society, Illuminati, which is most definitely related to the worshipers of Satan (Lucifer).

So in other words, what's the point of promoting Satan? What's the point of using the handshake like what Pope, Obama and a few other popular figures do?

Some believe that their motive is to actually achieve the New World Order. Even George Bush mentioned it in a video of his, but again, if they were to achieve something of that sort, wouldn't the 'secret society' actually try achieving it in a.. well, secret manner? Why do it so openly?

Also, many believe that incidents like the 9/11 one, as well as the Pentagon blast are done by the people on the inside, or in other words, members of this society.

Here are some examples that may stun you, or just lead you to uttering the word 'coincidence'.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=17368
http://www.quinnsquantumtechnologies.com/s...es/bart-911.jpg

Keep flipping through the pages of the above forum (davidicke) and let me know what you guys think about it.

I'm not really a believer of this whole theory, and this society, but certain facts are just too mind boggling to be just brushed away as a fake fact. I'm saying this after watching a few videos regarding the 9/11 incident being predicted in movies. Again, YouTube is the place to watch it all.

Another thing that I'm really confused about is, if the insiders know about it, why don't they just reveal any secrets that may be useful to us?

The date are meant for copy cat and to make prophecy come true, not coincident but invoke fear, even natural disaster can be twisted as karma. It feed the conspiracy / drama lover because life is boring.

I don't really get what's the big deal with this New World Order thing.

Hypothetically, consider any communist/authoritarian nation, if its people are completely isolated from the rest of the world, thinking that their country is all, it isn't much different from this so called New World Order.

Religious reasoning linking such government to the Antichrist really isn't an acceptable argument.

Well, there is no big deal, and that's not exactly the point of this discussion. I'm just unsure if this whole thing really does exist, and if it does, why does it exist? What's their intentions, their motives etc.

anyone of u ever came across to watch THE ARRIVAL on Youtube..It's not just a simple discovery research finding videos..it reveals a lot bout ILLUMINATI..try to foloow all 51 episodes of that videos..n it'll stun u'ols..

Too may "The Arrival" on Youtube. Which one (link) do you mean?

Okay, now that Osama's been shot 'dead', there's a whole new wave of action going on out there that in a way, is related to the topic right here, which of course is about the Illuminati. Lots of us aren't actually a hundred percent sure if we should actually trust the media, and more importantly, the US government regarding the news on the killing of Osama.

The question that nearly everyone seems to be asking nowadays is about the photo of him dead. Yeap, a photo was released, but after a good deal of observation, it has been brushed off as a fake photo. This has planted a whole new question in our heads. Is Osama actually dead? Or is this whole operation just a fake one?

Most of the people who believe in the existence of the Illuminati have a fair amount belief that the character Osama was just brought in to cover up the actions of the Illuminati.

What do you guys think?

What photo? The one in circulation isn't official photo release, didn't you said people don't trust media? Then why you assume from unofficial fake photo? Aren't you sensationalizing Illuminati with everything that you can think of?

This isn't about me. I'm just merely saying whatever I've read from YouTube comments and such. Well, the assumption is made, because we have no other choice do we? We have no access to the real, and valid information. The only manner in which we can obtain information about this is via the media.. so yeah.

do you think Dan Brown's assessment of Illuminati is accurate?

I'm in no position to say if it's anywhere near accurate or not, because I for one do not know if this society actually exists or not (But I'm definitely not laughing off the fact that it MAY just exist) And I'm assuming you're referring to his novel, Angels & Demons?

nope

That's too simple for a valid answer. What are your reasons mate?

zebra1995 is a conspirator, a proxy to make blind post only, maybe he/she is illuminati.

I see what you did there mate

But nahh.. that's not what I'm trying to say. As I said, I'm not a believer of this who conspiracy theory rumour circulation, but I don't see a reason why NOT to believe it.

damn i have a hard time understanding illuminati and the conspiracy theories, well after watching the arrivals. while its hard to believe, as there are no 'evidence', but somehow i am sure that it might just be true

You're on the same boat as me. Some explanations, especially those regarding music videos, and songs are really hard to brush off. To be honest, they seem rather true to me. And yeah, there are some that are ridiculous. Mostly done by a group of people who seek attention, and such. I'm confused

Conspiracy theories are easy to make up. It's impossible to disprove them, which is why it sticks. But most of the time they're not proven either. It's like claiming that there's a teapot on the moon. There is no logic in discussing conspiracy theories, being they are theories based largely on circumstantial evidence.

Anyway, a large group of people conspiring to carry stuff like this out, and the fact that they're pretty much human, without having anyone turn rogue...forget it, it's less likely than the WTC attacks being masterminded by George Bush.

It does make a good basis for a movie/TV plot though. Think Prison Break.

Fair enough. But I still fail to understand why they'd have symbols that in a way, relates to Satan in music videos and movies. You might argue that it's just done that way to gain more popularity, but in which country do people wish to watch the video again, or idolize the musician simply because the music video has subliminal messages in them? I mean, sexy dancers, hot guys and really pretty girls are all huge selling points, but Satanic symbols? I just fail to understand the rationality behind that. It's no coincidence either. Music videos are shot in a fully controlled environment. In other words, everything you see in the video is meant to be there. Like the goat's head in Lady Gaga's hit track, "Just Dance". How does the goat's head relate to the song in anyway?

Apart from that, what about the handshakes that lots of influential people promote like Obama, Pope etc? And what about the demonic shirts that the likes of Kanye West and Jay-Z seem to love wearing? Oh and also.. since when does backmasking songs have anything to do with it's sales? A quick Google search will bring you a long list of songs that contain less than pleasant messages that are backmasked in them. Backmasking is no coincidence by the way. Apparently, a message can only be heard when you completely reverse the song IF and only IF it is tweaked to do so. I read this somewhere before. Not a hundred percent sure about it though.

I also think it's necessary for me to stress once more that I'm no believer of this theory. I just find certain facts like the ones I've stated above, hard to dismiss.

what is said that those artist are a medium to influence more people into illuminati?

like rihanna and lady gaga?

where they say that illuminati is obvious.

i am just skeptical, its hard to believe, but again, it is somehow true.

Yeah. I know lots of my girl friends who idolize Lady Gaga, and these people tend to post photos on Facebook and other social networking websites with poses similar to that of Lady Gaga. With the "All seeing eye" or whatever, symbol.

I don't see how it'll actually cause any harm to them, or even anyone else. It can be influential, but I'm pretty darn certain these people know nothing about the illuminati.

freezadwar : Same here. I find it hard to believe, but it's not easy to just brush it off as rubbish either