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 Mitsubishi asx, This car doesnt seem to be popular here.

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post Feb 17 2014, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(wrb7878 @ Feb 14 2014, 07:05 PM)
I try test drive ASX 4WD at Kota damansara branch, the car cannot move like turtle even I press pedal GAO GAO . Rpm jump fast from 1k to 3k but speed come very slowly. I know this SUV is 1.5k compare to my current honda city 1.1k with 400kg different. Now in my mind I just can't accept buy new car 2.0 but underpower than my current 1.5. Any way will test drive again tmr with my partner, she the 1 will drive most of the time. I should book 2008 but now more interest on ASX, super big sun roof...not sure can test drive at night or not?
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The CVT rubberband type transmission needs to be driven differently. Press gao gao and the transmission slips. The trick is NOT to slam the accelerator gao gao. Providing enough just for the CVT to catch on and not slip. And slowly increase the accelerator when you accelerate.
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post Feb 18 2014, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Feb 17 2014, 06:35 PM)
A CVT can slip? I thought CVT is always locked to the engine after the initial start no? The feeling in a CVT car is as if it doesn't move though.
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Should be "slip".

QUOTE(ivanpei @ Feb 17 2014, 07:07 PM)
Actually I'm not sure why everyone is so anti-cvt. Imo you are paying for better tech than a conventional auto. Firstly you save fuel because you maintain an optimum gear ratio and high rpm throughout. Also it's only sluggish early on because when you floor it you don't climb up the rpm fast.

However in 0-100 times cvt transmission is as fast if not faster than an auto because you get no rpm drop off when you move up the "gears". So for normal driving where you step on the pedal lightly or medium, you climb up the rpm smoothly and more efficiently than an auto.

It's only when you want to get the immediate burst of acceleration like an ah beng, then the auto can give you that. For normal driving and normal speeding up for highway speeds, the cvt Imo is better. If you really want speed and the gforce pushed into seat feeling, get a manual lar and red line all the way.
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Sorry if I came out like I'm anti CVT. laugh.gif Does not mean I don't like it other drivers must not like it too. Just need to drive differently. Anyway, you can save fuel and still have a fun gearbox. CX-5 shows you that it's possible and CVT is not the only way.

Like somebody already mentioned, it takes away the fun in driving and it's no fun that some drivers feel as if the control to cog at a certain gear is robbed from them. Enjoyment of driving does not need to be revving to red line or the feeling of being pushed into the seat. Yeah, on paper it's the best technology to optimise gear ratio and harness engine power.


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post Feb 18 2014, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(sootienann @ Feb 18 2014, 10:47 AM)
most cvt have to ability to lock into 7 or 8 virtual ratios.
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That's correct. Just like any auto gearbox with manual override.

But for the CVT in the ASX, you have 6 fixed forward ratios available on the paddle shift with final drive ratio of 6.12.

2.349
1.465
1.126
0.873
0.661
0.543

In Australia and especially in UK, you can find 2.2L diesel variant (110kW @3,500rpm / 360Nm @1,500-2,750rpm ohmy.gif ) which run on normal type automatic gearbox (6 speed also) with a final drive ratio of 3.36. No idea why the diesel is not mated to a CVT. wink.gif

4.199
2.405
1.583
1.161
0.855
0.685
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post Feb 18 2014, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Feb 18 2014, 05:17 PM)
because of the torque

CVT can only handle about 200 - 220 Nm of torque

so far i think only Nissan developed a CVT that can handle 300+ Nm
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I was just being silly... Of course it's the torque. biggrin.gif

Don't think it's just Nissan's CVT that can handle 300+ Nm torque. What about Subaru Forester XT? Or perhaps the the Forester's CVT is from Nissan? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 18 2014, 05:28 PM)
subaru lineartronic

over 400nm torque no problem.
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That's true. Should read this... CVT-equipped WRX triggers mass suicides

QUOTE(ckk125 @ Feb 18 2014, 08:34 PM)
haha...if slip then gone already la the cvt..read before posting icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Feb 18 2014, 08:47 PM)
Please, now cvt all metal belt driven, people said rubberband effect on those gearbox, u think really driven by rubber belt?  doh.gif  if the gear box slip means it's spoiled  sweat.gif
you dont feel the pulling force because the gear box keep changing it's gear ratio, and combo with torque converter it's really SMOOTH.
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Aiyoh... Kena clubbed by the smarter guys. laugh.gif

Chill guys. Ever hear figure of speech? rolleyes.gif Don't read word for word lah.

QUOTE(ckk125 @ Feb 18 2014, 08:38 PM)
cuz the torque is too much for the cvt to handle. there are many version of cvt, some for normal cars and some for more powerful ones, like the nissan murano. the bigger ones are less efficient, the ones on our cars are the ones optimised for fc and comfort. have a look at jatco transmission, all cvt from mitsu are from jatco, which is owned by nissan.. have a look at nissan taena, the cvt ratio and final drive is exactly the same as the asx
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The Teana's gearbox is anything BUT the same as the ASX. Firstly, Teana's one ranges from 2.349 to 0.394 while ASX is 2.349 to 0.543. Final drive ratio for the 2.5 Teana and the ASX might be the same (6.12) but the 2.0 Teana final drive ratio is 6.466.

The Teanas and Muranos equipped with the VQ35DE engine has gear ratios from 2.371 to 0.439 with a final drive ratio of 5.713.
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post Apr 17 2014, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(lucifah @ Apr 16 2014, 05:12 PM)
ASX is more sedan like since it's based on Inspira chassis

CRV is a bit higher, and feels "safe", turns slowly, but confidently
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Shouldn't the reference be made to Lancer chassis instead? Your statement sounds like Mitsubishi copied Proton. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(supersound @ Apr 16 2014, 10:42 PM)
That's the main difference between CBU and CKD. It is shame that our country are 1 of the rubber exporter but can't make good quality rubber seal.
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What has that got to do with the quality of rubber seal used?

How good or bad the CKD manufacturer's build quality depends on how much they want to cut price. Not because Malaysia is incapable of producing good rubber seal.

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