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post Apr 11 2011, 07:30 PM, updated 15y ago

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To kick start the BRAGGING RIGHTS !
This is my screenshot of total size:

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please follow on using screenshots of your media folder wub.gif

Edit: now i have changed it to a general chat session for audiophiles as i see not much contribution on the "bragging right" title base, instead a lot of discussion and chit-chatter

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post Apr 11 2011, 07:53 PM

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LOL all MP3 files?
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1411kbps consider as FLAC?

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post Apr 11 2011, 08:02 PM

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post Apr 11 2011, 08:08 PM

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18.3 GB only. My music folder consists of 2101 files. Some files are picture files(for folder thumbnail) so can't say exactly how many out of those are actual music. used to be larger, but compressed some FLAC albums that I rarely listen to into 320kbps mp3 to save space. Luckily I still have the original CDs. biggrin.gif

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post Apr 11 2011, 08:13 PM

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....
What's there to brag about?
Who is the bigger pirate here?

lol.
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QUOTE(awyongcarl @ Apr 11 2011, 08:13 PM)
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What's there to brag about?
Who is the bigger pirate here?

lol.
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shhh... cool2.gif slow2 a bit la... icon_idea.gif tats y i scared/don1 2 'show off' whistling.gif

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post Apr 11 2011, 08:20 PM

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Hmm...
What if we brag about CD collections? biggrin.gif

Can showcase all your CDs here with pictures.
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post Apr 11 2011, 08:21 PM

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still stuck with these collections until now, i need new songs!
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Someone answer my question please~
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post Apr 11 2011, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 11 2011, 09:01 PM)
1411kbps consider as FLAC?
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1411Kbps consider as standard Audio CD quality of 16bit 44.1kHz
And i think FLAC can have up to 1411Kbps quality.

1411Kbps = Data Rate/Bandwith (in kilobits)
Think of it as the speed at which digital audio is streamed over a network
2 channels (stereo audio) x 16 bits x 44.1 Khz = 1,411 Kbps (kilobits per second)
Actually its 1411.2 kbps (kilobits): 2 x 16 x 44.1= 1411.2

smile.gif Let's continue our bragging... LOL
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post Apr 11 2011, 08:53 PM

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Cause I just happen to rip one of my CD collection and realised the details on it~
Sample rate - 44100Hz
Channels - 2
Bits per sample - 16
Bitrate - 1411kbps
Codec - PCM
Encoding - Lossless

Consider as FLAC? Or better than FLAC?
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post Apr 11 2011, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 11 2011, 08:53 PM)
Cause I just happen to rip one of my CD collection and realised the details on it~
Sample rate - 44100Hz
Channels - 2
Bits per sample - 16
Bitrate - 1411kbps
Codec - PCM
Encoding - Lossless

Consider as FLAC? Or better than FLAC?
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That's uncompressed. FLAC is the same thing, only compressed, kinda like ZIP file.
Supposedly(and logically) both should sound the same. Probably you need better hardware to decode FLAC properly, so that's why some people hear that the uncompressed audio sounds better.
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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 11 2011, 08:53 PM)
Cause I just happen to rip one of my CD collection and realised the details on it~
Sample rate - 44100Hz
Channels - 2
Bits per sample - 16
Bitrate - 1411kbps
Codec - PCM
Encoding - Lossless

Consider as FLAC? Or better than FLAC?
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FLAC is an audio format, a lossless audio codec. I read somewhere that bitrate doesn't matter when it comes to lossless? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Apr 11 2011, 09:04 PM)
That's uncompressed. FLAC is the same thing, only compressed, kinda like ZIP file.
Supposedly(and logically) both should sound the same. Probably you need better hardware to decode FLAC properly, so that's why some people hear that the uncompressed audio sounds better.
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Then how big is FLAC file size for normal 3 minute song?
I thought uncompress is always better than compress?

QUOTE(MrJinggles @ Apr 11 2011, 09:12 PM)
FLAC is an audio format, a lossless audio codec.  I read somewhere that bitrate doesn't matter when it comes to lossless?  hmm.gif
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My detail also showed lossless~

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QUOTE(i_djoel2000 @ Apr 11 2011, 08:21 PM)
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still stuck with these collections until now, i need new songs!
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Wah, so many!! drool.gif
You think I should invest in an external hard disk to store my music? I'm thinking of CD hunting at the end of this month.
Do they last long at all? Not planning on plugging it in every time I wanna listen to music through laptop, just as a storage device.

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post Apr 11 2011, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 11 2011, 09:18 PM)
Then how big is FLAC file size for normal 3 minute song?
I thought uncompress is always better than compress?
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My detail also showed lossless~
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Usually around 30gb each file.
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QUOTE(CoolBoy89 @ Apr 11 2011, 09:21 PM)
Usually around 30gb each file.
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I hope it's typing error~
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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 11 2011, 09:18 PM)
Then how big is FLAC file size for normal 3 minute song?
I thought uncompress is always better than compress?
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My detail also showed lossless~
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It depends on the song and how you rip it.
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But if one song is 30GB I wonder how many songs can one have~
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post Apr 11 2011, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 11 2011, 09:18 PM)
Then how big is FLAC file size for normal 3 minute song?
I thought uncompress is always better than compress?
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My detail also showed lossless~
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Well, lossless is lossless. You're not losing anything when compressing data using lossless compression. They are slightly harder to decode though, depending on how compressed they are. The bit rate in FLAC doesn;t matter. The higher the complexity of the track, the higher the bit rate.

QUOTE(CoolBoy89 @ Apr 11 2011, 09:21 PM)
Usually around 30gb each file.
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You mean 30 MB. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 11 2011, 09:28 PM)
But if one song is 30GB I wonder how many songs can one have~
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That's a typo.. or a successful attempt at sarcasm.
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post Apr 11 2011, 09:31 PM

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For me:

1st: CD
2nd: FLAC

Mp3 not much to brag. I skip it most of the time. Makes my speakers sound like sonicgear LOL.

Hopefully this thread wont be closed. Haha


Added on April 11, 2011, 9:33 pm
QUOTE(MrJinggles @ Apr 11 2011, 09:29 PM)
That's a typo.. or a successful attempt at sarcasm.
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Haha..... Cant believe someone didnt get it

Cheers

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I need new collections.
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Apr 11 2011, 09:29 PM)
Well, lossless is lossless. You're not losing anything when compressing data using lossless compression. They are slightly harder to decode though, depending on how compressed they are. The bit rate in FLAC doesn;t matter. The higher the complexity of the track, the higher the bit rate.
You mean 30 MB.  laugh.gif
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Okay, since it's 30MB as expected, I think it's good enough for lossless files(at least for me smile.gif)

QUOTE(anchovies93 @ Apr 11 2011, 09:31 PM)
For me:

1st: CD
2nd: FLAC

Mp3 not much to brag. I skip it most of the time. Makes my speakers sound like sonicgear LOL.

Hopefully this thread wont be closed. Haha


Added on April 11, 2011, 9:33 pm

Haha..... Cant believe someone didnt get it

Cheers
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Lol, don't think that someone would believe it either~
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ME Me Me... I only have original CDs.
Even my ipod songs are from my CDs...

I am innocent. ^-^

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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 11 2011, 08:53 PM)
Cause I just happen to rip one of my CD collection and realised the details on it~
Sample rate - 44100Hz
Channels - 2
Bits per sample - 16
Bitrate - 1411kbps
Codec - PCM
Encoding - Lossless

Consider as FLAC? Or better than FLAC?
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.wav file brother..much better than .flac

if i'm not mistaken 1 file takes space around 70mb, right?
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Apr 11 2011, 09:51 PM)
ME Me Me... I only have original CDs.
Even my ipod songs are from my CDs...

I am innocent. ^-^
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Don't condone pirate stuffs... If ripped from own Ori CD ok lor

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QUOTE(i_djoel2000 @ Apr 11 2011, 09:53 PM)
.wav file brother..much better than .flac

if i'm not mistaken 1 file takes space around 70mb, right?
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Yeah it's .wav file~
File size ranging from 28-40MB
Wow better huh~
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Thx~
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i also want to brag, but nothing much to brag about.
Here's my favourite CDs, i've seen people with Massive collection of CDs. rclxub.gif

Me mostly listen Chinese Lady Vocal, some oldies.

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QUOTE(MrJinggles @ Apr 11 2011, 09:29 PM)
That's a typo.. or a successful attempt at sarcasm.
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LOL. It was a typo. I meant 30mb each file laugh.gif
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Apr 11 2011, 10:24 PM)
i also want to brag, but nothing much to brag about.
Here's my favourite CDs, i've seen people with Massive collection of CDs.  rclxub.gif

Me mostly listen Chinese Lady Vocal, some oldies.

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Wow, that was one of a collection~
Reminds me of a forumer, Cosef collection of earphone, headphone, IEM, etc~
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mm...22.9GB worth of mp3 vocaloid song collection

others didn't really bothered about XD
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@TechMy nice collection, btw which one were you the other day in Jaben ? lol
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QUOTE(power911 @ Apr 11 2011, 11:48 PM)
mm...22.9GB worth of mp3 vocaloid song collection

others didn't really bothered about XD
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High Quality Vocaloid Songs???
bro, where you staying? sweat.gif evil. Hehe...


QUOTE(KenDiriwan @ Apr 11 2011, 11:58 PM)
@TechMy nice collection, btw which one were you the other day in Jaben ? lol
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i was there on last Friday night, i think you were there on Saturday.. so... hehe
btw, Jaben is a bad place to go. Full of Poison.
so, you bought anything there? can pm me for discussions.


@[G]ooD_DaY you listen chinese songs too?? smile.gif
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Apr 11 2011, 11:25 PM)
High Quality Vocaloid Songs???
bro, where you staying?  sweat.gif  evil. Hehe...
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some only high quality
most are 200-320kbps
others are just low quality... can't find any better

oh... Oster Project-Miku no Kanzume album is in lossless .ape smile.gif

where do I stay? just look around my profile

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QUOTE(TechMy @ Apr 11 2011, 11:25 PM)
@[G]ooD_DaY you listen chinese songs too?? smile.gif
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Yeah, but not the same u listen one~
I mean the type of song~
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hmmm there was a similar thread b4.. end up closed cz all showing their downloaded collection.. doh.gif
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until today i'm still having problem to differentiate a 128kbps and 320 kbps and FLAC which i ripped from my cd.
most of the time I just ripped them to 192kbps.
is it because my cd isn't audiophile quality ?

i'm just using my laptop > a normal usb dac > ms1i
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and some on the table
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pictures were from December 29, 2010 and needless to say my collection grows lol
sauce: http://www.quazacolt.com/personally-quazac...ts-room-update/


Added on April 12, 2011, 2:01 am
QUOTE(gu~wak_zhai @ Apr 12 2011, 01:07 AM)
hmmm there was a similar thread b4.. end up closed cz all showing their downloaded collection.. doh.gif
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thats why you show your damn CDs then wwwww

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@Quazacolt nice collection you have there. Huge collection indeed.
Your web does have more pics smile.gif

But it's hard for me to admire your things as i am not so familiar with otaku & animation and Wow to your Pillow.
Anyway, got any good quality anime ost to intro??
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Some of my CDs from the time when people still buy music... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(TechMy @ Apr 12 2011, 02:28 AM)
@Quazacolt nice collection you have there. Huge collection indeed.
Your web does have more pics smile.gif

But it's hard for me to admire your things as i am not so familiar with otaku & animation and Wow to your Pillow.
Anyway, got any good quality anime ost to intro??
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Apr 12 2011, 02:28 AM)
@Quazacolt nice collection you have there. Huge collection indeed.
Your web does have more pics smile.gif

But it's hard for me to admire your things as i am not so familiar with otaku & animation and Wow to your Pillow.
Anyway, got any good quality anime ost to intro??
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thanks. and honestly too many good ost to name lol. for starters, anime shrine does have a OST/music thread, and awyongcarl recommended a good ost as well.

my recommendation for now would be gundam unicorn ost smile.gif
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I don't care much about getting the best these days.

If i want to listen to a particular track. I go on youtoob.

Which means my collection is potentially infinity.


Ya'll just lost.
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 12 2011, 01:08 PM)
I don't care much about getting the best these days.

If i want to listen to a particular track. I go on youtoob.

Which means my collection is potentially infinity.
Ya'll just lost.
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 12 2011, 01:08 PM)
I don't care much about getting the best these days.

If i want to listen to a particular track. I go on youtoob.

Which means my collection is potentially infinity.
Ya'll just lost.
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 12 2011, 01:08 PM)
I don't care much about getting the best these days.

If i want to listen to a particular track. I go on youtoob.

Which means my collection is potentially infinity.
Ya'll just lost.
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Infinity~
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Lots of my album discs from late 80's to 90's are now rarities. I won't buy newly pressed ones for fear of sound degradation from master tapes. I look to Ebay for mint or near mint old pressings.
Just like comparing vintage Lp's to new remastered issues, world of difference and sometimes far from the original. I cringe at the asking prices when I see the same albums I have that are on sale at Ebay, but still good deals to be found, like last nite, an 80's RCA Japan pressed for US$1.90 exc shipping. More of a collector now than listener...LOL!
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Collector huh~
Guess not my type~
Cause mostly I listen to songs based on feel, not really base on artist(maybe for some but not much really)
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this is my humble collection

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This is my 16 bit and 24 bit Flac collection.......bout 40% ripped from my CD collection.....any interested buyer??... whistling.gif whistling.gif

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Huh this kinda things can sell ah?
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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 12 2011, 09:54 PM)
Huh this kinda things can sell ah?
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hahaha....anything also can sell as long as there are buyers.....

by the way ....the selling part is just a joke....
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QUOTE(bsl555 @ Apr 12 2011, 07:09 PM)
Lots of my album discs from late 80's to 90's are now rarities. I won't buy newly pressed ones for fear of sound degradation from master tapes. I look to Ebay for mint or near mint old pressings.
Just like comparing vintage Lp's to new remastered issues, world of difference and sometimes far from the original. I cringe at the asking prices when I see the same albums I have that are on sale at Ebay, but still good deals to be found, like last nite, an 80's RCA Japan pressed for US$1.90 exc shipping. More of a collector now than listener...LOL!
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You got the good stuff mate. Should invite some of the forumers for a listen. Its not all about the technology.
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and btw, black market part is also a joke
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Lol, but there is right?
For this kinda stuff?
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QUOTE(Fusion @ Apr 12 2011, 09:44 PM)
this is my humble collection

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This is my 16 bit and 24 bit Flac collection.......bout 40% ripped from my CD collection.....any interested buyer??... whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 12 2011, 10:55 PM)
Lol, but there is right?
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QUOTE(Fusion @ Apr 12 2011, 09:44 PM)
this is my humble collection

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This is my 16 bit and 24 bit Flac collection.......bout 40% ripped from my CD collection.....any interested buyer??... whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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rclxms.gif congrats.

sadly my choice of songs does scarcely come in 24bit format.

that is to mention that quite a number of homebrew metal songs, demos, and chapters that are still in cassette tape formats.
some got remastered and even sung covered by modern bands but all the originals are lost. so sad mang. sad.gif
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they do, but not in black market for sure, maybe some kind of 'underground' place  cool2.gif
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QUOTE(i_djoel2000 @ Apr 11 2011, 09:53 PM)
.wav file brother..much better than .flac

if i'm not mistaken 1 file takes space around 70mb, right?
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no, lossless is lossless. You lost nothing with it, this has proven mathematically. .wav is useful for archiving process if you're interested in recording process, not for casual listener because you can't use tagging on it.


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Some of my CDs from the time when people still buy music... tongue.gif
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EP, Single, album...........

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Apr 13 2011, 02:43 PM)
no, lossless is lossless. You lost nothing with it, this has proven mathematically. .wav is useful for archiving process if you're interested in recording process, not for casual listener because you can't use tagging on it.
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Bro, mind explaining about this part? The file I ripped out is .wav but why u said it is not useful for listening huh?
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Bro, mind explaining about this part? The file I ripped out is .wav but why u said it is not useful for listening huh?
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I think he meant that using .wav for casual listening isn't PRACTICAL. Players that reads tags wouldn't display things such as artist, album and song title. I tried, and although it seems that I can tag it, when played with Foobar2000, it still won't recognize the artist or album.

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Tagging means renaming the file?
If yes mine work after rename file and play with Foobar wor~
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Tagging means renaming the file?
If yes mine work after rename file and play with Foobar wor~
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No no. It means a bit like putting all the info within the file. Renaming the file name is different, tagging it embeds it with stuff like the artist, album, album year, track no., etc. etc. I use AudioShell tag editor to tag my mp3s and FLACs after ripping them. Like giving a soldier his military necklace(that metal thing around their neck, which is their ID tag). laugh.gif

Play a WAV file in Foobar2000, and you'll see that it can't display artist and album name, it can only show you the file name.

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Tagging means putting the Artists, Year, Genre, Composer, Track number, Lyrics as well as other miscellaneous information on the file itself.
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Apr 13 2011, 08:43 PM)
No no. It means a bit like putting all the info within the file. Renaming the file name is different, tagging it embeds it with stuff like the artist, album, album year, track no., etc. etc. I use AudioShell tag editor to tag my mp3s and FLACs after ripping them. Like giving a soldier his military necklace(that metal thing around their neck, which is their ID tag).  laugh.gif

Play a WAV file in Foobar2000, and you'll see that it can't display artist and album name, it can only show you the file name.
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Oh, yeah it only show the file name~
U tag one by one ah?
shocking.gif shocking.gif
That means only downside of .wav is cannot tag but quality better than FLAC??

QUOTE(Yuki Ijuin @ Apr 13 2011, 08:43 PM)
Tagging means putting the Artists, Year, Genre, Composer, Track number, Lyrics as well as other miscellaneous information on the file itself.
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Oh, yeah it only show the file name~
U tag one by one ah?
shocking.gif  shocking.gif
That means only downside of .wav is cannot tag but quality better than FLAC??
Noted, thx~
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Quality is not better than FLAC, lossless is lossless. It's like the different archive formats (e.g .rar, .zip )
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Quality is the...
SAME
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It's mathematically loseless. That means each little detail of the music is already in the file. Which = No difference in quality.
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QUOTE(GooD_DaY @ Apr 13 2011, 09:56 PM)
Oh, yeah it only show the file name~
U tag one by one ah?
shocking.gif  shocking.gif
That means only downside of .wav is cannot tag but quality better than FLAC??
Noted, thx~
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http://www.ehow.com/facts_6142773_flac-vs_-wav.html
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/366271...ity-differences
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I mean kopitiam with awesome audio setup

Can drink coffee + enjoying hifi acoustic music.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Apr 13 2011, 02:43 PM)
no, lossless is lossless. You lost nothing with it, this has proven mathematically. .wav is useful for archiving process if you're interested in recording process, not for casual listener because you can't use tagging on it.


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i read some previous post saying lossless is all the same.. well.. mathematically speaking that is..

so how come lossy vinyls.. that even degrades (scratches when played).. sounds better than the so called lossless CD?

probably it can be proved by mathematics.. or not. but there's definitely some calculation or consideration being left out somewhere.
it would also fail to describe as well why all dacs that measures 20-20kHz at 0db signal doesnt sound the same also. perhaps we should do a math on how our ears hears zeros and ones?

Maybe some people do not want to listen to what their own ear hears?
if equipments are always correct.. we are all better off using hearing aids to replace our ears?

the point is, measurements and theories are always a guidelines.. the implementation is never going to be as ideal as any theories or measurements. what matters in the end is what the human perceives, and not what is being calculated.

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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Apr 14 2011, 09:21 AM)
i read some previous post saying lossless is all the same.. well.. mathematically speaking that is..

so how come lossy vinyls.. that even degrades (scratches when played).. sounds better than the so called lossless CD?

probably it can be proved by mathematics.. or not. but there's definitely some calculation or consideration being left out somewhere.
it would also fail to describe as well why all dacs that measures 20-20kHz at 0db signal doesnt sound the same also. perhaps we should do a math on how our ears hears zeros and ones?

Maybe some people do not want to listen to what their own ear hears?
if equipments are always correct.. we are all better off using hearing aids to replace our ears?

the point is, measurements and theories are always a guidelines.. the implementation is never going to be as ideal as any theories or measurements. what matters in the end is what the human perceives, and not what is being calculated.

(lets start teh flame wars! i made my point.. muehehehe) rclxm9.gif
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How can you prove this? This is subjective opinion, it's may vary from person to person.
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Apr 14 2011, 09:21 AM)
i read some previous post saying lossless is all the same.. well.. mathematically speaking that is..

so how come lossy vinyls.. that even degrades (scratches when played).. sounds better than the so called lossless CD?

probably it can be proved by mathematics.. or not. but there's definitely some calculation or consideration being left out somewhere.
it would also fail to describe as well why all dacs that measures 20-20kHz at 0db signal doesnt sound the same also. perhaps we should do a math on how our ears hears zeros and ones?

Maybe some people do not want to listen to what their own ear hears?
if equipments are always correct.. we are all better off using hearing aids to replace our ears?

the point is, measurements and theories are always a guidelines.. the implementation is never going to be as ideal as any theories or measurements. what matters in the end is what the human perceives, and not what is being calculated.

(lets start teh flame wars! i made my point.. muehehehe) rclxm9.gif
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The fact remains that you're arguing against numbers and data, lossless is lossless. If like our previous discussion where you mentioned hardware, software, intermediary (recording/remastering/etc) differences I would understand that there's definitely some discrepancies. Some of the times vinyl would even beat remastered tracks outright. But does that mean that it is the end all for the issue?

If you're truly interested, why not organize a double-blind test involving vinyl vs digital recordings? I'll volunteer immediately. Similar to audio cable debates or high fidelity audio debates, it would go nowhere without a scientific approach. Other than your statement stating that vinyl beats all, or differences between Flac/wav/ape or even the Apple Lossless format. Otherwise the speaker companies are just throwing their money into water for doing double blind tests with their R&D isn't it?

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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Apr 14 2011, 09:21 AM)
i read some previous post saying lossless is all the same.. well.. mathematically speaking that is..

so how come lossy vinyls.. that even degrades (scratches when played).. sounds better than the so called lossless CD?

probably it can be proved by mathematics.. or not. but there's definitely some calculation or consideration being left out somewhere.
it would also fail to describe as well why all dacs that measures 20-20kHz at 0db signal doesnt sound the same also. perhaps we should do a math on how our ears hears zeros and ones?

Maybe some people do not want to listen to what their own ear hears?
if equipments are always correct.. we are all better off using hearing aids to replace our ears?

the point is, measurements and theories are always a guidelines.. the implementation is never going to be as ideal as any theories or measurements. what matters in the end is what the human perceives, and not what is being calculated.

(lets start teh flame wars! i made my point.. muehehehe) rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Apr 14 2011, 09:21 AM)
i read some previous post saying lossless is all the same.. well.. mathematically speaking that is..

so how come lossy vinyls.. that even degrades (scratches when played).. sounds better than the so called lossless CD?

probably it can be proved by mathematics.. or not. but there's definitely some calculation or consideration being left out somewhere.
it would also fail to describe as well why all dacs that measures 20-20kHz at 0db signal doesnt sound the same also. perhaps we should do a math on how our ears hears zeros and ones?

Maybe some people do not want to listen to what their own ear hears?
if equipments are always correct.. we are all better off using hearing aids to replace our ears?

the point is, measurements and theories are always a guidelines.. the implementation is never going to be as ideal as any theories or measurements. what matters in the end is what the human perceives, and not what is being calculated.

(lets start teh flame wars! i made my point.. muehehehe) rclxm9.gif
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i think you got the concept of lossless totally wrong....when you rip from a digital to another digital format....lossless with give the identical sound quality (i am talking about the format giving the identical sound...not the equipment used)

when you do an analog vs digital comparison is lossless has nothing to do with it....it all boils down to the mastering of the digital format...

in an analog curve, the curve is smooth and when you convert it to digital, this curve is converted using sampling rates (44.1khz or 96khz)....the higher the rate, the smoother the curve is but it is impossible to attain a perfectly smooth curve therefore digital will always be inferior to analog but there a lot of things that you could do with digital which analog is not able to achieve.....imagine sending audio signal to another place....digital would not degrade as it is all 0 and 1 but if you send analog signal ....even the best analog equipment would degrade the sound due to the distances that the signal has been sent.....

as for the DAC, all DAC sound differently although they use the same chipset is not because the chipset sound differently....the DAC chip will sound identical but after converting it to analog, the analog design circuit and the electronics used are the one that make the difference.....

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QUOTE(Fusion @ Apr 14 2011, 01:23 PM)
in an analog curve, the curve is smooth and when you convert it to digital, this curve is converted using sampling rates (44.1khz or 96khz)....the higher the rate, the smoother the curve is but it is impossible to attain a perfectly smooth curve therefore digital will always be inferior to analog but there a lot of things that you could do with digital which analog is not able to achieve.....imagine sending audio signal to another place....digital would not degrade as it is all 0 and 1 but if you send analog signal ....even the best analog equipment would degrade the sound due to the distances that the signal has been sent.....

as for the DAC, all DAC sound differently although they use the same chipset is not because the chipset sound differently....the DAC chip will sound identical but after converting it to analog, the analog design circuit and the electronics used are the one that make the difference.....
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That is untrue.

If the sampling rate is high enough, you can recreate the required waveform no problem. No such thing as "unsmooth" curves. EDIT: In both context of "pure analog" or "Digital -> analog" systems there is no such thing as "perfect" waves.

Pure Analog is more susceptible to noise in fact. The waveform is most likely uglier than a properly done digital -> analog system.

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in a Pure analog system, the waveform is most likely uglier than a digital because of the pressing (vinyl) and the analog equipments used to pick up the signal.....i dont think it is possible to pick up a perfect signal from analog source....what i meant from the explanation above is the comparison of the digital and analog signal at its purest form....in any conversion of analog to digital or digital to analog, it is impossible to have a perfect conversion without any lost of details....




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so ugly waveform give rise to horrible sound? .... rclxlh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Yuki Ijuin @ Apr 14 2011, 12:57 PM)
The fact remains that you're arguing against numbers and data, lossless is lossless. If like our previous discussion where you mentioned hardware, software, intermediary (recording/remastering/etc) differences I would understand that there's definitely some discrepancies. Some of the times vinyl would even beat remastered tracks outright. But does that mean that it is the end all for the issue?

If you're truly interested, why not organize a double-blind test involving vinyl vs digital recordings? I'll volunteer immediately. Similar to audio cable debates or high fidelity audio debates, it would go nowhere without a scientific approach. Other than your statement stating that vinyl beats all, or differences between Flac/wav/ape or even the Apple Lossless format. Otherwise the speaker companies are just throwing their money into water for doing double blind tests with their R&D isn't it?
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that one liner should be more than enough. fact being 1 side (digital side) can be proven with numbers, and if want, DBT's. while the other side, cant and are all baseless claims.

of course, audio/listening etc is all subjective and if analog sounds better to a person, then thats that. however if you're going to make a claim to prove one thing is wrong to another person that is on disbelief with you, please do bring up solid facts/numbers/test results (DBT for example) etc else you're not making your point/fact clear/known across. and thats a waste of your own time, and everyone else's
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QUOTE(Fusion @ Apr 14 2011, 02:21 PM)
in a Pure analog system, the waveform is most likely uglier than a digital because of the pressing (vinyl) and the analog equipments used to pick up the signal.....i dont think it is possible to pick up a perfect signal from analog source....what i meant from the explanation above is the comparison of the digital and analog signal at its purest form....in any conversion of analog to digital or digital to analog, it is impossible to have a perfect conversion without any lost of details....
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pointing out the fact that digital does not mean that the "sampling" technique introduces "steps". All equipments' sampling rates adhere to Nyquist Rate (edit:higher than 2x highest frequency) and they have no issues reproducing required signal. Bear in mind the signals after conversion is further filtered using a low pass filter to produce smooth waveform. So the statement "pure analog" systems produce "smoother" waveform is untrue.

QUOTE(BCurve @ Apr 14 2011, 03:54 PM)
so ugly waveform give rise to horrible sound? .... rclxlh.gif  laugh.gif
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Ya.

but some people like to listen to slightly deformed waveform. Nothing wrong with that either.

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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Apr 14 2011, 09:21 AM)
i read some previous post saying lossless is all the same.. well.. mathematically speaking that is..

so how come lossy vinyls.. that even degrades (scratches when played).. sounds better than the so called lossless CD?

probably it can be proved by mathematics.. or not. but there's definitely some calculation or consideration being left out somewhere.
it would also fail to describe as well why all dacs that measures 20-20kHz at 0db signal doesnt sound the same also. perhaps we should do a math on how our ears hears zeros and ones?

Maybe some people do not want to listen to what their own ear hears?
if equipments are always correct.. we are all better off using hearing aids to replace our ears?

the point is, measurements and theories are always a guidelines.. the implementation is never going to be as ideal as any theories or measurements. what matters in the end is what the human perceives, and not what is being calculated.

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 14 2011, 04:27 PM)
that one liner should be more than enough. fact being 1 side (digital side) can be proven with numbers, and if want, DBT's. while the other side, cant and are all baseless claims.

of course, audio/listening etc is all subjective and if analog sounds better to a person, then thats that. however if you're going to make a claim to prove one thing is wrong to another person that is on disbelief with you, please do bring up solid facts/numbers/test results (DBT for example) etc else you're not making your point/fact clear/known across. and thats a waste of your own time, and everyone else's
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Apr 14 2011, 06:27 PM)
troll successful! my times not wasted.. biggrin.gif

i believe in my faith..
doesnt matter if God cannot be proven mathematically or not..
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QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Apr 14 2011, 08:17 PM)
tongue.gif not really trolling when we know what you believe and where you stand based on what you post most of the time.
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Please don't turn Audiophile section into another Kopitiam. If I want my lulz i'll go there. I come here to have a decent discussion without trolls or whatnot. This place is a sacred place for me to share my hobby as do all of the people here. Thus, I am recommending that TS close down this thread before Mod comes in and "tsunami" Audiophile section.

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post Apr 14 2011, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(d3m0n @ Apr 14 2011, 09:22 PM)
Please don't turn Audiophile section into another Kopitiam. If I want my lulz i'll go there. I come here to have a decent discussion without trolls or whatnot. This place is a sacred place for me to share my hobby as do all of the people here. Thus, I am recommending that TS close down this thread before Mod comes in and "tsunami" Audiophile section.

Cheers.
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^ +1. I don't see any reason for the existence of this thread. First it was 'bragging rights' and then kopitiam? doh.gif
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post Apr 14 2011, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(CoolBoy89 @ Apr 14 2011, 09:30 PM)
^ +1. I don't see any reason for the existence of this thread. First it was 'bragging rights' and then kopitiam?  doh.gif
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yeah, i just got nothing to do, too free, so i made a sandbox for people to plunge in..
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post Apr 14 2011, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(d3m0n @ Apr 14 2011, 09:22 PM)
Please don't turn Audiophile section into another Kopitiam. If I want my lulz i'll go there. I come here to have a decent discussion without trolls or whatnot. This place is a sacred place for me to share my hobby as do all of the people here. Thus, I am recommending that TS close down this thread before Mod comes in and "tsunami" Audiophile section.

Cheers.
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hence my earlier post, really.
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post Apr 14 2011, 09:54 PM

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Just having friendly discussions. We're not flaming anyone and I'm still learning from LG's posts. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 14 2011, 10:00 PM

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hye, my ipod only support this format

AAC (M4A, M4B, and M4P up to 320 Kbps)
MP3 (up to 320 Kbps)
MP3 Variable Bit Rate (VBR)
WAV
AA (Audible spoken word, formats 2, 3, and 4)

my question, which format is the best? noob question though. =.='
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post Apr 14 2011, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Apr 14 2011, 09:39 PM)
yeah, i just got nothing to do, too free, so i made a sandbox for people to plunge in..
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admin should consider banning morons like you ....

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post Apr 14 2011, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(sirlordwanz @ Apr 14 2011, 10:00 PM)
hye, my ipod only support this format

AAC (M4A, M4B, and M4P up to 320 Kbps)
MP3 (up to 320 Kbps)
MP3 Variable Bit Rate (VBR)
WAV
AA (Audible spoken word, formats 2, 3, and 4)

my question, which format is the best? noob question though. =.='
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Subjective.
But for compatibility, portability and space-saving-ity(don't take the word seriously, I just made that up. laugh.gif ), MP3. With VBR the encoder takes a look at each and every 'block' of audio and determine the best compression for it. So the most complex bits gets less treatment, and the bits where sounds that don't matter are dominant to a human's ear would be treated the most. Some stay away, some use them a lot. They don't sound that bad but a bit harder to decode(play back)
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post Apr 15 2011, 09:00 AM

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Thread Closed.

- Initially started with unnecessary (potentially stolen) music bragging
- Derailed into Kopitiam style

If you need a topic for audio format discussion, go ahead, but lets just leave this thread as history.

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