QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Apr 14 2011, 09:21 AM)
i read some previous post saying lossless is all the same.. well.. mathematically speaking that is..
so how come lossy vinyls.. that even degrades (scratches when played).. sounds better than the so called lossless CD?
probably it can be proved by mathematics.. or not. but there's definitely some calculation or consideration being left out somewhere.
it would also fail to describe as well why all dacs that measures 20-20kHz at 0db signal doesnt sound the same also. perhaps we should do a math on how our ears hears zeros and ones?
Maybe some people do not want to listen to what their own ear hears?
if equipments are always correct.. we are all better off using hearing aids to replace our ears?
the point is, measurements and theories are always a guidelines.. the implementation is never going to be as ideal as any theories or measurements. what matters in the end is
what the human perceives, and not what is being calculated.
(lets start teh flame wars! i made my point.. muehehehe)

i think you got the concept of lossless totally wrong....when you rip from a digital to another digital format....lossless with give the identical sound quality (i am talking about the format giving the identical sound...not the equipment used)
when you do an analog vs digital comparison is lossless has nothing to do with it....it all boils down to the mastering of the digital format...
in an analog curve, the curve is smooth and when you convert it to digital, this curve is converted using sampling rates (44.1khz or 96khz)....the higher the rate, the smoother the curve is but it is impossible to attain a perfectly smooth curve therefore digital will always be inferior to analog but there a lot of things that you could do with digital which analog is not able to achieve.....imagine sending audio signal to another place....digital would not degrade as it is all 0 and 1 but if you send analog signal ....even the best analog equipment would degrade the sound due to the distances that the signal has been sent.....
as for the DAC, all DAC sound differently although they use the same chipset is not because the chipset sound differently....the DAC chip will sound identical but after converting it to analog, the analog design circuit and the electronics used are the one that make the difference.....
This post has been edited by Fusion: Apr 14 2011, 01:24 PM