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 [WTA] Grundfos Water Pump, CH-PT or CH-PC

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jchong
post Feb 8 2014, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(sapphirejohn @ Feb 8 2014, 01:15 AM)
The developer said there is air trapping inside the pipe that cause low water pressure.
Is it true?
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How can anybody in a forum without seeing/testing your pipes tell you if it is true or not?

It is something that might happen. If so, then ask developer to clear the air. Or just read up on the Internet, just google for the info.
jchong
post Nov 13 2016, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Apr 6 2016, 10:03 AM)
You sure you wan PT? PT = pressure tank = need pump air once a year.
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I noticed the UNI-E models also have a pressure tank. If we don't want this maintenance issue (pump air once a year) but yet want the VSD feature, can we order UNI-E without the tank?
jchong
post Nov 21 2016, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(SimpleGuy16 @ Nov 20 2016, 05:26 PM)
Haha good one. I think all will be using from tangki instead of direct. Just need info of how many HPs to use as i heard too high HPs will cause hose to crack n can't last long.
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For your size of house, 1 to 1.5 HP is sufficient. This is quite a standard power.

Since yours is a new house, there should be no problem with pipes bursting. The pipes are normally rated to withstand 10-15 bar pressure. Your pump is only putting out 3-4 bar.

The problem usually occurs with old houses where the pipes and the joints (especially) are more worn. Installing a pump then may cause the weak areas to leak.

This post has been edited by jchong: Nov 21 2016, 12:31 PM
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post Nov 21 2016, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Nov 20 2016, 06:05 PM)
Well, you need some special type switches, multiple pole single throw switch/relay to turn on/off the power to the pump.
This will prevent to over pressure the piping.
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Can you explain how those switches/relays help to prevent over pressure?

I thought to reduce over pressure, you need pump with inverter or variable speed drive.
jchong
post Nov 22 2016, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(kengyan @ Nov 22 2016, 12:21 AM)
A typical pump setup is, you just turn on the power to the pump and let it turn on/off by the pressure changes.
The main problem with this is if you have faucet valve leaking, it will end up the pump keep on turn on/off.


Looking on the bright side, the pump is acting as a leak detector. Helps alert you if there is any leak in the faucet or pipes.

I've read there are some pumps that can be controlled by flow rate, i.e. once a certain flow qty is required then only pump turns on. Therefore, minor leaks will not cause the pump to turn on.

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Technically, only shower need high pressure. But the problem is, how to turn it on by demand? A relay will be the best equipment for this. With this, you no need to worry of forgot to turn off the power to the pump. Just tap the wire from the bathroom light switch or water heater. Just setback is such wiring are a bit complicated for this.
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I see your meaning for relay now. Yeah, the wiring is gonna be more difficult. Gotta hack the wall if you want to conceal it. I think most house owners won't choose to do this.

Tapping to bathroom light or heater also means you need to turn on the light or heater every time you shower, which isn't always necessary.
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post Jun 23 2017, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Apr 28 2017, 02:37 PM)
Hi

my friend's house has a Grundfos CH4-40 water pump. when on, the wall vibrate (due to water piper in the wall)....

i think the pressure too strong. suggest that he downgrade the water pump. already he had a >4 cases of burst water pipes (ABS pipe - blue colour - does not help also).


Most pipes (even ABS) should be able to withstand pressure up to 10 bar or beyond. Water pump only pressurizes up to around 3 bar.

Usually if the pipe leaks, it's likely a workmanship issue - especially near the joints. Maybe the plumber didn't joint properly.

Another reason could be slight settlement of the house causing stress on the pipes and making it crack.
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post Jun 23 2017, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(billyboy @ Jun 23 2017, 05:24 AM)
Thanks halcyon27 for your feedback. I missed the head...onviously you are absolutely spot-on with the observation.
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I think most pumps have a "head" rating. Doesn't mean that the pump is specially designed to push water up only.

I'm quite sure the CH4-40 is also classified as a normal domestic water pump.

 

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