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Enquiries/Recommendations Tablet Computing - Android 3.0(Honeycomb) V1.0, Discussion for Android 3.0 based Tablets

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Ricky Ling
post Apr 12 2011, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Apr 11 2011, 03:23 AM)
Looks like I was posting in the wrong place. Posted in the Xoom thread in the Android section, and was quickly disgusted by the lack of quality posts in that thread, where towards the end, the thread was more towards b****ing about the price than any useful information and discussion about the Xoom generally, and the Android Honeycomb OS particularly.

Been looking around for my options, and based on past experiences, I've picked the Motorola's tablet out of the Acer and Asus's own. To me, build quality is paramount, and Xoom does not disappoint, it is solidly built. That said, I am still interested to see if the Asus Transformer can match Xoom's built quality, and am particularly looking forward to the IPS panel it sports. Comparison between my Xoom and my iPad 2 shows how much more superior the IPS panel is on the iPad 2.

I am personally turned off by the Acer Iconia A500 because of the huge bezel and weird silver edge design, not to mention the weird port placements. Built-in slots are of course more superior on the Acer and Asus(particularly the Asus with its keyboard dock), but I came from the iPad and I do not miss any of these ports, nor do I have any immediate compelling need for them. They are "nice to have", not a "must have". Since my iPad days I've shifted to cloud-based storage and delivery for contents I need. I am also a consumer, not a content creator, so therefore I do not have the need to transfer content around between multiple users all the time at any time, so built-in ports aren't on my immediate needs.

Talking about the OS itself, it is a huge improvements over 2.2. I've used the DHD as my standby phone (my iPhone 4 being primary), and are not particular taken by the quality of the OS(still laggy) or the amount of content available on its apps-delivery system(Android Market). I am also partial to rooting, and the fact that you had to root to access the full content of the Android Market (MarketEnabler to buy the apps from US Android Market) turns me off. I see a lot of promise on the Honeycomb OS, particularly when paired with promising specs like on the Xoom (dual core Tegra 2). Games offered on the TegraZone app is particularly good, and in some cases, better than the one on the iOS AppStore. Example is Samurai 2 Tegra Edition compared to the version on iOS, and Galaxy On Fire 2 on both platform(shaders made available by Tegra 2 compared to the iOS put the iOS version to shame).

As for productivity purposes, I've tried to make the two tablets I have mirror each other as close as possible, although like I said, I don't do heavy duty productivity on them. I got them both running similarly on the reading apps(Zinio, Google Books, Nook, Kindle, Pulse News) as well as social networking apps (Facebook, Twitter, any IM apps), but the polish seems to be more prevalent on the iOS compared to Android. Not a big enough issue to me to pick one over the other.

Android has the edge in terms of tabbed browsing with the stock browser, although iOS's Safari still is king when it comes to sensitivity of the pinch-to-zoom/selection accuracy to copy-paste/smoothness when swiping to scroll, or rotation especially.

Honeycomb scores big with its widgets though, very easy to peek though the content without having to go through the actual app itself.

I've mentioned before, I'm a consumer, not a content creator. Because of Google's lateness to the table with offering a good enough tablet OS (to me, 2.2 on a 7" device is not tablet OS) for me to enjoy my contents (songs, photos, videos like TV Shows, Movies), I've invested heavily on contents purchased from iTunes. Therefore it makes sense for me to either convert my video/audio content to the type acceptable in iTunes, and this has shown limited compatibility when trying to put those contents in my Xoom. These contents are also DRM-protected, therefore can only be played on an iDevice, until recently when DRM-free music was made available on iTunes (but still on purchase). Videos are still DRM-protected.

I may be on the minority side (purchasing content instead of downloading them from shady sources/sharing them between people), but Android's lateness to bringing a tablet-worthy OS had me invested so much on iOS-friendly content that in turn, turns my iDevice into my primary content cosumption device instead of the Xoom.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my Xoom, and of recently, I've been taking around my Xoom more often than my iPad 2. The strong build quality and heftness made it more confident for me to lug around than the iPad 2 with its thinness making me perceive it as being unnecessarily fragile. I desperately hope the new iterations of future Honeycomb updates can match the speediness of iOS, and I may just ditch my iPad entirely.

Personally, I'd like to see how the Asus Transformer looks like IRL. Particularly the screen. Design IS is a feature to me, and I'm willing to pay for it, which made me discard the Acer Iconia as a viable option (sorry, ugly bezels/side designs). I hope the Asus Transformer steps up to the plate when it comes to the built quality, and I may well be picking it up as the third tablet.
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Nice review on Xoom especially since you having a iPad2 as well. I'm currently using iPad1 which really make the same experience. Based on my observation, here is my 2 sen thought:

1. IPS screen definitely is a go for tablet - Thanks to Apple for almost standardized it. Eee Pad Transformer is using IPS as well, the next version of Xoom most likely will move to IPS because Taiwan LCD manufacturer got licensed to build IPS LCD screen already..

2. Honeycomb still feel a bit immature; we still don't know about upgrade ability of future Android OS - iPad1 most likely can be upgraded to iOS5 which I believe will open up more functionality

3. I like the stereo speakers build-in the the Xoom, u just couldn't believe iPad1/2 doesn't come with stereo speakers.


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post Apr 13 2011, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(RayKazansky @ Apr 13 2011, 02:47 PM)
Applicable only for Betelgeuse and Harmony chips...
NVIDIA drops Android support for older Tegra 2 devices!
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Wow, don't even know Tegra2 got so many revision already? So Toshiba Folio AS100 and ViewSonic Tablet G are out of support list - so much for Honeycomb upgrade.... rclxub.gif

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post Apr 18 2011, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ Apr 18 2011, 12:42 PM)
Transformer was available for pre-order in Singapore today, and has juz ended 10mins ago...
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Wau, no pricing detail? tongue.gif

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post Apr 25 2011, 03:06 PM

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I am afraid iPad2 will crash all the parties as Malaysia will get official iPad2 this Saturday lah, now still waiting for official price. Below is my guess:

1. Wifi 16GB - RM1,499
2. Wifi 32GB - RM1,799
3. Wifi 64GB - RM2,099

4. Wifi + 3G 16GB - RM1,899
5. Wifi + 3G 32GB - RM2,199
6. Wifi + 3G 64GB - RM2,499

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post Apr 25 2011, 11:03 PM

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Well, see the LCD screen before u decide. Once u try IPS, u won't use others
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post Apr 27 2011, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Ricky Ling @ Apr 25 2011, 03:06 PM)
I am afraid iPad2 will crash all the parties as Malaysia will get official iPad2 this Saturday lah, now still waiting for official price. Below is my guess:

1. Wifi 16GB - RM1,499
2. Wifi 32GB - RM1,799
3. Wifi 64GB - RM2,099

4. Wifi + 3G 16GB - RM1,899
5. Wifi + 3G 32GB - RM2,199
6. Wifi + 3G 64GB - RM2,499
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Guess my prediction is 100% correct. Machines just announced the iPad2 pricing, it's right on money.

Now we will see how Honeycomb tablet and Playbook pricing locally, whether they will be $399 x 3 = RM1,199 for Transformer 16GB or nearly to RM1,499 as iPad2 16GB...
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post May 5 2011, 02:46 PM

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That's what I am trying to explain - Apple's efficient distribution system make the most aggressive price at worldwide level, Malaysia and HK especially cause of no tax...

ASUS has to go through multiple level of distribution from principal to distributor to dealer to end user make the price become mark up compared to Apple's direct conversion price (US$499 x 3 = RM1,499).

Will ASUS's EEE Pad which retail at US$399 sell for RM1,199 (US$399 x 3) - no. I'm afraid the price would be US$399 x 4 RM1,599 - hence more expensive than iPad2...
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post May 6 2011, 10:50 AM

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Wau - that would be RM2,655 which is higher than local pricing (RM2,499) so still waiting for Maxis plan for Flyer
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post May 6 2011, 12:33 PM

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Price drop will happen real soon, see Galaxy Tab drop until RM1,599 from originally priced RM2,699, that's RM1,100 drop - less than half year...

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post May 8 2011, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(viruz019 @ May 7 2011, 11:53 PM)
jz check out maxis site and notice the xoom is now available..but then din say mch bout the data plan..gonna give them a call n see what they say biggrin.gif
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Local Xoom only comes with Wifi version only, that's why Maxis try to bundle with Defy with data plan so that u can use as MiFi for Xoom lah..

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post May 9 2011, 02:56 PM

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Acer Malaysia just confirmed the price for A500 with 32GB SSD - SRP RM1,599
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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ May 7 2011, 12:20 PM)
Just curious, based on the video poster above, when the commentator was playing the videos on both the Transformer and iPad2... I've noticed that the screen on the Eee Pad is relatively dimmer....
I understand that both uses the same screen technology right? Why is there a difference then? Or maybe its because of the brightness settings on the Transformer?  sweat.gif
Any sifu know? Thanks thanks  notworthy.gif

Man I'm really poisoned by the Transformer la  rclxm9.gif
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It's because Apple iPad uses IPS LCD screeen from LG, Samsung and Chimei. ASUS Transformer's LCD is made by HannStar ...

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QUOTE(RayKazansky @ May 9 2011, 06:13 PM)
Looks like no bulk needed from U.S.

Asus price is heaps good over ipad here in Msia.... if without the keyboard dock (also if the price mentioned is confirmed)

I wonder how much it would cost (minus the keyboard) hmm.gif
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Should be RM1,499 without keyboard - according to TW pricing as well. Don't expect crazy US$399 cause ASUS has to fight with Apple's iPad2 there

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QUOTE(r59150 @ May 9 2011, 10:23 PM)
If I not wrong asus Transfomer also using IPS display with gorela glas rolleyes.gif
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Yes, but HannStar just recently switch from MVA to IPS screen, hence explain some quality difference. Hopefully in the future, there is improvement...
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We got dealer price for A500, turn up even retailing for RM1,599, people still can offer A500 for RM1,499 ....
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post May 10 2011, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(r59150 @ May 9 2011, 11:06 PM)
where it will be lunch and wicth store...
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Hard to tell lah, u can google "HannStar IPS" in the future to learn more about that company

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don't ask - won't tell tongue.gif
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Slightly more than that, but at least now the price between A500 32GB and iPad2 16GB Wifi is the same...
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Transformer comes with 16GB lah, Acer A500 comes with 32GB - so conclusion is Acer is cheap
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Wait for Ice Cream Sandwich...LOL

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