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post Jun 22 2011, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(hunter1425 @ Jun 22 2011, 05:52 PM)
Common and cheap is what the timber retailer are telling you.

Common for them as they can anytime buy from Indo ( Indo is exporting no less than 10,000 m3/mth all over the world for this species), cheap to them cos they can get easy margin of 20% just trading. No sweat lah.

For other local suitable timber for flooring, ask MTIB opinion and go and see the sample. Individual taste on color, grain . etc ,etc. American loves red colored wood, same as Chinese, Japanese and European prefer light yellowish color. So, personal taste.

Teak is considered an exotic timber for the non teak producing country. U know the teak used for building super yacht cost easily Euro20,000/m3 ?


Added on June 22, 2011, 5:58 pm
Bro, pine is classed under temperate softwood. Pine is used as all purpose utility softwood, except the pine from New Zealand. Bro, those NZ plantation pine is beautiful lah.

Temperate hardwood is only equal to our tropical medium hard.
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Agreed with your comment bro... Anyhow I just give some example nia.... Nice of sharing info you have here...

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post Jun 22 2011, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(lizziewong @ Jun 22 2011, 05:13 PM)
When I started my reno, I wanted to use cheap cheap things to save cost.  My friend said to me, better to feel the pain one time only (meaning spend alot of $$ for the reno to do it right), rather than to hve pain everyday (heart sick to see the end result if not done properly).  I suppose he is right, thats why I spnt on my timber floor, which cost RM5k more than tiles.

Now when I look around my house, Iwish I had spent abit more on better finishes in some places.  I opted for the Niro 2x2 polished tiles wihich was lelong at builders mart at RM14 per pc.  It would be nicer if I spent more on sthg really very special (maybe double thee cost).  Since my Niro tiles look quite decent (not exquisite), so it is not painful for me, and it is just a nice to have.

To save cashflow, I have brought my old furnture across (tv counter, dining table, sofa).  Will buy new ones when I see sthg good later..
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Agree, especially something that need lots of work. Like piping, electrical and flooring. For me i don't save on piping and electrical. My electrical re-wiring already cost me around 12k (excluding switch and socket) and is only single phase. My friend ask me why so expensive, his house 3 phase is near also same amount. Then i show him the number of MCB i got, 2 DB box, and only few looping of socket, he keep quiet laugh.gif

My current house, i remove the parque, ask my contractor to flat the surface. Will decide what to use after i have come near end of the renovation, and see what budget i have to use.

Lizzie, Niro still got warehouse sale? i like the cement type tiles they offer.
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post Jun 23 2011, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 22 2011, 07:13 PM)
Agree, especially something that need lots of work. Like piping, electrical and flooring.  For me i don't save on piping and electrical. My electrical re-wiring already cost me around 12k (excluding switch and socket) and is only single phase. My friend ask me why so expensive, his house 3 phase is near also same amount. Then i show him the number of MCB i got, 2 DB box, and only few looping of socket, he keep quiet  laugh.gif

My current house, i remove the parque, ask my contractor to flat the surface. Will decide what to use after i have come near end of the renovation, and see what budget i have to use.

Lizzie, Niro still got warehouse sale? i like the cement type tiles they offer.
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I did my 3ph with 2 Hager DB box, 1 for FF and 1 for GF as advised my EE brother. My rewiring plus 3 ph only 15k or thereabout. Though there is some savings but it is not worth it, becuz my contractor uses Indian nationals to do the work who do not do a proper job and need a lot of time to check and correct defects. In the end, the completion of the house is delayed. So, need to balance quality and price, always.

I discovered that, if we go to the tiles shop in say, and order in large quanitites, u can get a good discounts. Buimaco in tmn megah can offer some good prices too.

Anyway, my reno finished ady, now only left with some build-ins and cabinets for my dry kitchen, all the optional extras for a more comfy living. Hope to complete by christmas.
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post Jun 23 2011, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 22 2011, 07:13 PM)
Then i show him the number of MCB i got, 2 DB box, and only few looping of socket, he keep quiet  laugh.gif
what is MCB n DB box? icon_question.gif

QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 22 2011, 07:13 PM)
Niro still got warehouse sale? i like the cement type tiles they offer.
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i too like the cement type tiles and the wood type too. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Jun 23 2011, 12:11 PM

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MCB, is like olden day fuse. Now run without fuse, only trip according to the load made printed on the MCB

DB box, aka Distribution Box, to put the MCB, ELCB, RCCB, and timer. Is a square box. Can be Metal, Plastic.

MCB got lots of brand, usually the reliable are ABB, Hager, MK. Got some really made in Germany but dam expensive now.
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post Jun 23 2011, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(orientaliew @ Jun 23 2011, 12:04 PM)

what is MCB n DB box? icon_question.gif
Just google lah bro.

Wiki " MCB (Miniature Circuit Breaker)--A circuit breaker is an automatically operated electrical switch designed to protect an electrical circuit from damage caused by overload or short circuit. "

It is those black color thingy inside your DB. A lot are made in Malaysia , sirim approved, are just as good. Only the ELCB buy better imported one safer.
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post Jun 23 2011, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(hunter1425 @ Jun 23 2011, 12:47 PM)
Just google lah bro.

Wiki  " MCB (Miniature Circuit Breaker)--A circuit breaker is an automatically operated electrical switch designed to protect an electrical circuit from damage caused by overload or short circuit. "

It is those black color thingy inside your DB.  A lot are made in Malaysia , sirim approved, are just as good. Only the ELCB buy better imported one safer.
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Many with Sirim approved five problem too. You know how sirim approve things?
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post Jun 23 2011, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 23 2011, 01:55 PM)
Many with Sirim approved five problem too. You know how sirim approve things?
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post Jun 24 2011, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(hunter1425 @ Jun 22 2011, 05:52 PM)
For other local suitable timber for flooring, ask MTIB opinion and go and see the sample. Individual taste on color, grain . etc ,etc. American loves red colored wood, same as Chinese, Japanese and European prefer light yellowish color. So, personal taste.
malas to ask MTIB lah, just share with us your view, regardless of taste. smile.gif
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post Jul 15 2011, 12:05 PM

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I'm also in the market for hardwood flooring. Maha Asia quoting RM16 per sq ft for Merbau 18mm (depth) x 90mm (width) inc install (cengal batten) and 3 layers. Lizziewong, who did you speak to? Mr Woon is the boss?
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post Jul 15 2011, 01:28 PM

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RM 16 include installation? pre-finish?
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post Jul 15 2011, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(kamion @ Jul 15 2011, 12:05 PM)
I'm also in the market for hardwood flooring. Maha Asia quoting RM16 per sq ft for Merbau 18mm (depth) x 90mm (width) inc install (cengal batten) and 3 layers. Lizziewong, who did you speak to? Mr Woon is the boss?
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I think Mr Woon is the boss.... My deal is more or less the same I think...


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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 15 2011, 01:28 PM)
RM 16 include installation? pre-finish?
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My floor space is about 970 sf, plus a flight of stairs of 13 steps, altogether cost m RM17k. The planks are unpolished, but afte laying, breathing, will be polished. The comes the buffing then varnish... RM16 or RM17 is all in cost, incl of skirting.

Planks is RM 15psf and skirting is RM5 pfr.

Skirting is pre-finished.

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post Jul 15 2011, 04:46 PM

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Thank you for the information, I also found another small shop doing flooring @ Kuchai Lama, will check out later when my house almost ready.

BTW, the stair step, do you use one single pieces, or same as the floor? Single pieces very nice.
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post Jul 15 2011, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jul 15 2011, 04:46 PM)
Thank you for the information, I also found another small shop doing flooring @ Kuchai Lama, will check out later when my house almost ready.

BTW, the stair step, do you use one single pieces, or same as the floor? Single pieces very nice.
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To save cost, I use the 90 mm planks. The workeers pick out the 4ft lengths and lay it across the steps. Quite nice too.... Oh, my 17k comes with nosing for the steps, but no timber for the riser.
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post Jul 15 2011, 05:10 PM

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y limit urself to merbau only? there are variety of malaysian timber which is suitable for flooring apart from merbau
we have balau, bintagor, kempas, keranji, red balau, and dark red meranti as well ma


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post Jul 16 2011, 12:27 AM

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What are the prices like for the other types? Maha Asia only have merbau.
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post Jul 16 2011, 11:06 AM

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For the other varieties, price is one factor. But more important u shld go to the timber board website to familiarise yourself with the quality of the timber. One important criteria is resistance to termites. Merbau is not top tier like Teak, but for the price, it is considered quite hard for termites. The other wood grains are nice, but termite resistance must be good too.

I did my window hood using balau wood, which is considered ok for external. But I notice other contractor also use meranti which someone tells me is softer wood.

A timber supplier whom I asked to quote timber stairs, told me balau is not so suitable because it tends to warp over time.

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QUOTE(lizziewong @ Jul 16 2011, 11:06 AM)
For the other varieties, price is one factor.  But more important u shld go to the timber board website to familiarise yourself with the quality of the timber.  One important criteria is resistance to termites.  Merbau is not top tier like Teak, but for the price, it is considered quite hard for termites.  The other wood grains are nice, but termite resistance must be good too.

I did my window hood using balau wood, which is considered ok for external.  But I notice other contractor also use meranti which someone tells me is softer wood.

A timber supplier whom I asked to quote timber stairs, told me balau is not so suitable because it tends to warp over time.
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termite resistant is not jus bout the wood... people got the misconception d.. for termite, normally flooring company will treat the wood 1st de.. so relatively speaking if u go to a reputable flooring company most of their wood is treated d.. wont be susceptible to termite unless u expose it to prolong moist environment..

merbau is on par with teak in term of strength and durability ...
balau not suitable for ur stair becos it have high shrinkage value...but tat 1 can be solve if u tell ur installer wat environment u are installing it at.. for normal indoor u need to tell ur installer , will u install aircon environment? or jus open air.. if air con environment.. will it be 24 hour .. the installer must monitor ur room moisture content and humidity and acclimatised the wood before install.. normally for indoor the moisture content is around 15-17% if in aircon environment (8-12%).

for more information on wat type of wood and its suitability u can go to http://woodwizard.my/index.asp . it have most of the Malaysian species available in Malaysia
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Thanks all of you for the info. I am thinking of installing hardwood flooring for my new house also. I just wonder if there's any 5-6 inch width, maybe 6-9 feet length Merbau, Teak or Walnut available in Malaysian market? I prefer long wide strips of wood, more pleasing to the eyes. Anyone know the cost of those wood? I just want to compare the cost to marble flooring. Want to check if it fits my budget.
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post Jul 20 2011, 09:41 PM

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How about those lock on timber strips like those sold in Floor Depot? Are they more durable? They mentioned to me that their solid timber are abrasive and scratch resistance because their timber are pre-laminated with coating in the factory, not at the site of installation. what do u guys think?

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