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post Apr 4 2011, 05:01 PM, updated 15y ago

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Hi all,

I would like to know what should I know for applying a job for entry level(Fresh Graduate without any working experience) network engineer, system engineer and all those position about computer networking. For what I saw from almost all vacancy in this field basically the requirements is good understanding of TCP/IP.

Any senior or brother/sister who are working in this field can please giving me advise? your answer for me is must appreciate. Because I would like to do revision before going for interview. Thank you. icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(tatamiusuka @ Apr 4 2011, 05:01 PM)
Hi all,

I would like to know what should I know for applying a job for entry level(Fresh Graduate without any working experience)  network engineer, system engineer and all those position about computer networking. For what I saw from almost all vacancy in this field basically the requirements is good understanding of TCP/IP.

Any senior or brother/sister who are working in this field can please giving me advise? your answer for me is must appreciate. Because I would like to do revision before going for interview. Thank you. icon_question.gif
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tatamiusuka,

1) Goto www.cisco.com Search for tutorial on TCP/IP.

2) Read this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Internetworking-TCP-...e/dp/0130183806

3) Google is your friend. Just google "TCP/IP Tutorial".

Dreamer

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post Apr 4 2011, 08:30 PM

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Thank dreamer for your reply,

but for what I was like to know is TCP/IP is it the only topic they will ask in the interview for being a network engineer?

I have knowledge in TCP/IP just worries and wondering about that, will there be other question asking from other protocol
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Routing, Switching, VPN, Firewall, DNS, DHCP, RADIUS, TCPIPv6, subnetting, IP sniffing , OSI 7 layers and many more.

Suggest you learn Cisco CCNA or atleast Comptia Network+ as a basic.
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Well, if you have previously studied and understand CCNA, then you have the first step. Keep in mind that passing CCNA via memorizing does not count. Sure you have the cert for doing that but your career will not rocket anywhere. So what's the big deal on TCP/IP? In a network engineer's world, that like everything. Regardless whether your focus is on network security, wireless, ISP, routing, load balancers, WAN or LAN, they all require knowledge on how TCP/IP functions.
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QUOTE(pkh @ Apr 4 2011, 10:55 PM)
Well, if you have previously studied and understand CCNA, then you have the first step. Keep in mind that passing CCNA via memorizing does not count. Sure you have the cert for doing that but your career will not rocket anywhere. So what's the big deal on TCP/IP? In a network engineer's world, that like everything. Regardless whether your focus is on network security, wireless, ISP, routing, load balancers, WAN or LAN, they all require knowledge on how TCP/IP functions.
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Thank for you reply. I haven't sit for my CCNA final exam but already earn finish my CCNA1 to CCNA4 academic exam while doing my Bachelor degree.
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QUOTE(tatamiusuka @ Apr 4 2011, 08:30 PM)
Thank dreamer for your reply,

but for what I was like to know is TCP/IP is it the only topic they will ask in the interview for being a network engineer?

I have knowledge in TCP/IP  just worries and wondering about that, will there be other question asking from other protocol
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tatamiusuka,

It is GIVEN that you will not be able to answer all questions.

The MAIN THING is how do you answer the question that you do not know the answer??

For example, if I ask you about XYZ protocol and you know NOTHING about this protocol. How will you answer??

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 4 2011, 11:59 PM)
tatamiusuka,

It is GIVEN that you will not be able to answer all questions.

The MAIN THING is how do you answer the question that you do not know the answer??

For example, if I ask you about XYZ protocol and you know NOTHING about this protocol.  How will you answer??

Dreamer
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Thank Dreamer rclxms.gif

If i really no nothings about it, I think I will straightly tell him/her "I dun have any idea about this". I know this might be not a good answer. Any adviser for me?


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QUOTE(tatamiusuka @ Apr 5 2011, 01:14 AM)
Thank Dreamer  rclxms.gif

If i really no nothings about it, I think I will straightly tell him/her "I dun have any idea about this". I know this might be not a good answer. Any adviser for me?
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tatamiusuka,

Then, you just FAILED the interview....

What do you DO when you do not know the answer to any question???

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Seriously if I do not know the answers for a certain question I will just be straight forward because technically we cant bs anything because they know right?

Or is there any tips from sifus?
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QUOTE(freeman1314 @ Apr 5 2011, 05:11 AM)
Seriously if I do not know the answers for a certain question I will just be straight forward because technically we cant bs anything because they know right?

Or is there any tips from sifus?
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freeman1314,

The GOAL of the question is to see what a person will do when he / she does not know the answer.

1) BS about knowing -> FAILED -> You are a bad liar

2) Just said that you know nothing -> FAILED -> You are a spoon fed person. You expect answer to be given to you. When you do not know the answer, you are stuck.

Remember, in networking, most of the time, people DO NOT KNOW the answer. The DIFFERENCE between people that can survive and succeed in networking and not is on what they DO when they do not know the answer.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 5 2011, 09:48 AM)
freeman1314,

The GOAL of the question is to see what a person will do when he / she does not know the answer.

1) BS about knowing -> FAILED -> You are a bad liar

2) Just said that you know nothing -> FAILED -> You are a spoon fed person.  You expect answer to be given to you.  When you do not know the answer, you are stuck.

Remember, in networking, most of the time, people DO NOT KNOW the answer.  The DIFFERENCE between people that can survive and succeed in networking and not is on what they DO when they do not know the answer.

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Thank for Dreamer! rclxms.gif

So if i answer like, "I have really no idea it this case, but if I have the opportunity to work with you then I will have the chance on gaining this knowledge with my senior, but after this interview I will go for some research, or might you tell me some things about that?"

Actually Dreamer can you please tell us what will be ur answer in the situation, so that we can have a guideline regarding this situation.

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For freshmen, yes TCP/IP knowledge is a must.

Try master:-
- 7 layers OSI (functions/protocols on the layers)
- routing protocols (how they works and etc)
- MPLS? most big companies are using these
- CONFIDENT (you have the knowledges but without confident you can't even sell yourself to the interviewer)

One thing, if the interviewer asked regarding some question that you are not able to answer. Let them know that you doesn't know much about it but try elaborate briefly on the protocols/routing/commands/system how they usually works.

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It's a fresh grad position, they're not going to ask you hardcore IP questions. Just something simple like subnet masking, port forwarding, firewall rules, snmp, pinging etc.

If you're going into application development then you'll need to know the OSI model, else it's just all theoretical. No need to bother with IPv6 or things like protocol X over IP. That's AFTER you've have some real working experience.
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Apr 5 2011, 10:50 AM)
For freshmen, yes TCP/IP knowledge is a must.

Try master:-
- 7 layers OSI (functions/protocols on the layers)
- routing protocols (how they works and etc)
- MPLS? most big companies are using these
- CONFIDENT (you have the knowledges but without confident you can't  even sell yourself to the interviewer)

One thing, if the interviewer asked regarding some question that you are not able to answer. Let them know that you doesn't know much about it but try elaborate briefly on the protocols/routing/commands/system how they usually works.
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Thank you! Ur information is very appreciate. rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(spanker @ Apr 5 2011, 10:50 AM)
It's a fresh grad position, they're not going to ask you hardcore IP questions. Just something simple like subnet masking, port forwarding, firewall rules, snmp, pinging etc.

If you're going into application development then you'll need to know the OSI model, else it's just all theoretical. No need to bother with IPv6 or things like protocol X over IP. That's AFTER you've have some real working experience.
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o.O subnet masking? Basically is asking the theory or calculate the subnet mask?

Thank for reply as well rclxms.gif

This post has been edited by tatamiusuka: Apr 5 2011, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(tatamiusuka @ Apr 5 2011, 10:54 AM)
Thank you! Ur information is very appreciate.  rclxms.gif


Added on April 5, 2011, 10:56 am

o.O subnet masking? Basically is asking the theory or calculate the subnet mask?

Thank for reply as well  rclxms.gif
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you are welcome. Just here for help blush.gif
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QUOTE(LivingLife @ Apr 5 2011, 11:28 AM)
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@@, thank alot. I will read it when I free. TQ
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QUOTE(tatamiusuka @ Apr 5 2011, 10:36 AM)
Thank for Dreamer!  rclxms.gif

So if i answer like, "I have really no idea it this case, but if I have the opportunity to work with you then I will have the chance on gaining this knowledge with my senior, but after this interview I will go for some research, or might you tell me some things about that?"

Actually Dreamer can you please tell us what will be ur answer in the situation, so that we can have a guideline regarding this situation.
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tatamiusuka,

<<but after this interview I will go for some research, >>

FAILED. This means you trying to BS that you know how to do research. You NEVER done this before...

<<I have really no idea it this case, but if I have the opportunity to work with you then I will have the chance on gaining this knowledge with my senior,>>

FAILED. This means that you need to be spoon fed. You do not have your own resources to learn stuff.

A REAL networking person will answer this way.

I do not know about this protocol. But, normally, I will search XYZ web site for this kind of information. Ditto, for tutorial, I use this ABC web site.

A REAL NETWORKING person will face this kind of question. And, that person will have the MOTIVATION and DRIVE to do this kind of research. Hence, they will know which web site to go and use.

At this stage, YOU are not. YOU are a pretender. YOU never even did a google search on "TCP/IP tutorial" before. Much less some other strange and interesting stuff.

In REAL WORLD, it is LESS IMPORTANT to know stuff. YOU will NEVER know enough. It is MORE IMPORTANT to have the ABILITY to research and find stuff. Plus, the ability to self study.

Dreamer

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tatamiusuka,

<<but after this interview I will go for some research, >>

FAILED.  This means you trying to BS that you know how to do research.  You NEVER done this before...

<<I have really no idea it this case, but if I have the opportunity to work with you then I will have the chance on gaining this knowledge with my senior,>>

FAILED.  This means that you need to be spoon fed.  You do not have your own resources to learn stuff.

A REAL networking person will answer this way.

I do not know about this protocol.  But, normally, I will search XYZ web site for this kind of information. Ditto, for tutorial, I use this ABC web site. 

A REAL NETWORKING person will face this kind of question.  And, that person will have the MOTIVATION and DRIVE to do this kind of research.  Hence, they will know which web site to go and use.

At this stage, YOU are not.  YOU are a pretender.  YOU never even did a google search on "TCP/IP tutorial" before.  Much less some other strange and interesting stuff.

In REAL WORLD, it is LESS IMPORTANT to know stuff.  YOU will NEVER know enough.  It is MORE IMPORTANT to have the ABILITY to research and find stuff.  Plus, the ability to self study.

Dreamer
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I am very appreciate with your reply. Normally all protocol is come from Cisco and IEEE, so did i just tell them i go for IEEE to do check it out? Or i just say google it?

and i very hate ur sentence "YOU never even did a google search on "TCP/IP tutorial" before".
Please dun simply judge people. I get my award in Bachelor degree and also I have been finish some of Cisco academic course, are you thinking doing a bachelor degree and cisco academic does not need to do research for all of the general protocol? If you are welling to help people please be kindly.
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QUOTE(tatamiusuka @ Apr 5 2011, 11:22 PM)
I am very appreciate with your reply. Normally all protocol is come from Cisco and IEEE, so did i just tell them i go for IEEE to do check it out? Or i just say google it?

and i very hate ur sentence "YOU never even did a google search on "TCP/IP tutorial" before".
Please dun simply judge people. I get my award in Bachelor degree and also I have been finish some of Cisco academic course, are you thinking doing a bachelor degree and cisco academic does not need to do research for all of the general protocol? If you are welling to help people please be kindly.
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halooo

as long as u know ur ccna syllabus stuff, you should be fine.some questions that generally come out during interviews are

1. classes of ipv4 addresses
2. OSI layers
3. some simple subnetting questions
4. common port numbers (for eg: http = port 80, telnet = port 23 etc etc)
5. difference between TCP and UDP
6. difference between hub and switch ( one of the most commooooon questions)
7. DHCP process
8. difference between cross cable and straight cable
9. what is a layer 2 device, what is a layer 3 device
10. routing protocols (OSPF,BGP,EIGRP,RIP)
11. VLANs ,VTP etc

goodluck
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QUOTE(xpire1 @ Apr 5 2011, 10:56 PM)
halooo

as long as u know ur ccna syllabus stuff, you should be fine.some questions that generally come out during interviews are

1. classes of ipv4 addresses
2. OSI layers
3. some simple subnetting questions
4. common port numbers (for eg: http = port 80, telnet = port 23 etc etc)
5. difference between TCP and UDP
6. difference between hub and switch ( one of the most commooooon questions)
7. DHCP process
8. difference between cross cable and straight cable
9. what is a layer 2 device, what is a layer 3 device
10. routing protocols (OSPF,BGP,EIGRP,RIP)
11. VLANs ,VTP etc

goodluck
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Thank you. this question "difference between hub and switch" some things really will make me confuse, really need to do more hard study and research in all those physical layer stuff. lolz.
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QUOTE(tatamiusuka @ Apr 5 2011, 10:22 PM)
I am very appreciate with your reply. Normally all protocol is come from Cisco and IEEE, so did i just tell them i go for IEEE to do check it out? Or i just say google it?

and i very hate ur sentence "YOU never even did a google search on "TCP/IP tutorial" before".
Please dun simply judge people. I get my award in Bachelor degree and also I have been finish some of Cisco academic course, are you thinking doing a bachelor degree and cisco academic does not need to do research for all of the general protocol? If you are welling to help people please be kindly.
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tatamiusuka,

<<Normally all protocol is come from Cisco and IEEE,>>

It is OBVIOUS that you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Where does TCP/IP protocol come from??

<<and i very hate ur sentence "YOU never even did a google search on "TCP/IP tutorial" before".>>

So, did you or you did not?? If yes, which web site gives the BEST TCP/IP tutorial??

What is the BEST TCP/IP book??

<< I get my award in Bachelor degree and also I have been finish some of Cisco academic course, are you thinking doing a bachelor degree and cisco academic does not need to do research for all of the general protocol? If you are welling to help people please be kindly.>>

And, you still know close to NOTHING. Your general knowledge of networking is VERY POOR. OBVIOUSLY, you did very little self study and research.. You ONLY study what is in the course / book.

The PROOF of the pudding is in eating it.

You do not know a lot of basic stuff on networking that will be OBVIOUS for people that actually self study on TCP/IP.

Dreamer

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tatamiusuka,

<<Normally all protocol is come from Cisco and IEEE,>>

It is OBVIOUS that you have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

Where does TCP/IP protocol come from??

<<and i very hate ur sentence "YOU never even did a google search on "TCP/IP tutorial" before".>>

So, did you or you did not?? If yes, which web site gives the BEST TCP/IP tutorial??

What is the BEST TCP/IP book??

<< I get my award in Bachelor degree and also I have been finish some of Cisco academic course, are you thinking doing a bachelor degree and cisco academic does not need to do research for all of the general protocol? If you are welling to help people please be kindly.>>

And, you still know close to NOTHING.  Your general knowledge of networking is VERY POOR. OBVIOUSLY, you did very little self study and research..  You ONLY study what is in the course / book.

The PROOF of the pudding is in eating it.

You do not know a lot of basic stuff on networking that will be OBVIOUS for people that actually self study on TCP/IP.

Dreamer
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Hey man, I have enuff with you. What is the best tutorial with TCP/IP what is the best book for TCP/IP is depending on the people who need it, not what you say then we need to follow! Some people might feel what you say the best tutorial the worst, because they cannot understand it, and the one you say worst is the best because that have enuff example to it. For example some time Cisco material I cant understand but go to google I found that some of the blogger make a more best article about it.

And for what I feel is when ur first reply on intro me those TCP/Ip link and book and I reply you I am not asking this question. Then you start flaming this topic, aren't you too free or even nothing to do? And for what you say the world of networking isn't only TCP/IP , but you are the one keep repeating TCP/IP stuff.

I will ignore you next post onward. you are free to keep replying in this post as you like! Thank you.


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All these talk about networking but nothing on virtual IPs and virtual interfaces and clustering?
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All these talk about networking but nothing on virtual IPs and virtual interfaces and clustering?
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spanker,

Isn't that a bit CLOUDY??

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It's kinda weird seeing those questions. To me, those are more like academic questions rather than interview questions.

Assuming that you're a freshie, they would normally ask what type of exposure you have in networking. For your case, the answer will be mainly lab. And PLEASE don't answer you setup your own home Streamyx modem if you are applying for a network engineer position. Another popular question will be on your final year project. They will want to know what components are involved. Such as type of hardware, design and your role in the project group. Frankly, they don't really want to know what your final year project is all about. They just want to see your softskill and level of commitment.

Be frank when you answer. If you don't have actual industrial experience, just admit it. I've seen some people BS until they get cornered to a point of no return. If the company ask you for an interview after going through your resume, chances are they are expecting to hire a freshie. And if they somehow insulted you during the interview stating that you have no experience and bla bla bla, it's a good thing. At least you now know that the interviewer is not a nice person to work for. There are other vacancies out there. Network engineers are in high demand.

Another thing you might be interested in knowing - will company hire freshies? Yes. Let's be realistic here. Freshies are cheap. And since freshies do have actual academic qualifications, they have better work attitude. Freshies might not get the job done but senior engineers rely on them to do mass deployment. Is being a freshie bad? Well, everyone was once a freshie. Freshies in the computer field progress faster than others. We don't have to endure 3 years of suffering like account freshies. We don't have to go through internship like management freshies. So start off as a low paid freshie and with 1 year exposure, you will have a much better life.

It's 3am now and since I have an hour to kill while waiting for my washing machine, I might as well give you some tips on which career path to take for the network world. These are all based on my observation and others may not agree. You will definitely start off with simple stuff like customer support or assisting the seniors. There's no way you can start off as a project engineer. The risk is roo high. Starting low is fine but don't start off as call center, computer shop technicians or printer technicians. I have no grudge against those jobs. Just that I believe graduates should start somewhere more proper after spending 5 figure college fees. Getting to the network project engineer position is dependant on your attitude. Average around 3 years. Keep in mind that from customer support to project engineer is a HUGE leap. Between that, there are senior customer engineer, team leader and 2nd level support. Once you achieved the project engineer status, you can opt for things like project consultant.

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Hi all,

Currently pursuing my degree in Computer Science as well as CCNA. I am a CCENT and looking for a good company to intern with as a network engineer/ network admin.

Pay is not my concern but good management and seniors that are willing to teach is crucial.. I am interested in learning more about enterprise networks and if this field is suitable for me.

Any suggestions at companies that I should be looking at for computer network related internship?
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QUOTE(SaitoSatoshi @ Apr 15 2011, 01:06 AM)
Hi all,

Currently pursuing my degree in Computer Science as well as CCNA. I am a CCENT and looking for a good company to intern with as a network engineer/ network admin.

Pay is not my concern but good management and seniors that are willing to teach is crucial.. I am interested in learning more about enterprise networks and if this field is suitable for me.

Any suggestions at companies that I should be looking at for computer network related internship?
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u can try any telco company like tm, maxis, time....
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Another suggestion for a pure networking company ( not a software/IT company) that hire fresh graduate students?
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Another suggestion for a pure networking company ( not a software/IT company) that hire fresh graduate students?
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try datacraft, mesiniaga, iperintis , teliti international, csc
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A NOC would be a great place to start off for freshies. Would be best if you could obtain your CCNA beforehand as most of the interview questions would be based on the syllabus. Depending on your interests and job opportunities out there, you may want to specialize in either in routing & switching, security or voice. Just keep in mind that the networking world is pretty competitive and you'll need to constantly study new technologies and take certifications if you want to move forward in your career and not be stuck in some support role for the next 5 years.

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Well ... in my opinion, starting in a NOC can sometimes backfire. This is based on what I've observed. Correct me if I'm wrong. People in NOC has 24x7 shift rotation which is fun for some reasons and less stressful. But whenever anything happens, their job is just to contact the technical guys and escalate the issues to them. Ok, unless you're on technical standby but that usually applies to field engineers.

Some of the NOCs which I see is worse. People who has a night shift just watch football, sleep or drink tea. And when something happens, contact the technical guys and ask 'why ah?', then go back to watching football.

Ok. I might be wrong. Just that the NOCs I've been to are of the same nature.
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