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post Nov 27 2018, 02:25 AM

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QUOTE(michaelho @ Nov 27 2018, 01:43 AM)
PELANGGAN YANG DIHARGAI & DIKASIHI.

TERIMA KASIH KERANA TERUS MENABUNG BERSAMA SSPN



SUDAHKAH ANDA MEMBUAT PENABUNGAN DEPOSIT KE DALAM AKAUN SSPN ANAK-ANAK ANDA UNTUK TAKSIRAN PENGECUALIAN CUKAI DARI RM6,000.00 HINGGA RM12,000.00 PADA TAHUN 2018 ?



got this in email??? up to 12 K, what did I miss?
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6K is SSPN specific.

The other 6k is the SSPN-i-plus or whatever they're calling it. That one is claimable under different category (the life insurance/EPF one). Useless for most of us who have regular EPF contributions and/or a life insurance plan which may hit the 6k mark already.
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post Dec 12 2018, 06:43 PM

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PTPTN at Giant USJ does not. They said only debit card allowed. Prepaid not allowed.
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post Dec 17 2018, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(moonmoon1985 @ Dec 16 2018, 11:42 PM)
In fact more than 25%.... u can withdraw immediately in January next year and put the 8k into FD yielding another 3.5%
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You leave it in you get 4% interest
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post Dec 17 2018, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Dec 17 2018, 10:32 AM)
I think he/she is comparing 4% with 3.5% in related to that post...
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Exactly
QUOTE(MeToo @ Dec 17 2018, 10:29 AM)
Though banks these days giving more then 4% for a 12 month FD...

Buuuttt... I'll dump it into my mortgage... still have about 600k left huhuhuh...
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12 month FD means you won't get the money in there out in time for the next round of SSPN deposit. If I withdraw 8k in January, I need to put in 16k by December to be eligible for the next year's income tax benefit.

And income tax benefit for the next year is likely to be 'better' than this year's, generally speaking (because your income presumably is increasing).

12 month FD is not a good way to play this game. Better if you can find middle of year some 6/9 month promo, then the rest of the time keep in something like OCBC 360 for 4.1%.

But the hassle-free (no need to park, submit form, wait) option is to leave in SSPN.

Until/unless you are no longer confident that PTPTN can sustain.
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post Dec 17 2018, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Dec 17 2018, 10:55 AM)
1. Income tax benefits hardly will be better next year as the 25% bracket is pretty big and not easy to move out at the moment.. sweat.gif

2. 12 month FD is a broad sweep, even some random 7 months promo from RHB can net us 4.1%

3. I used to take it out every Jan and put back in again Dec cause I dont trust the old govt. Now I'm more pliable to leaving it in SSPN, but consdering my mortgage disbursement started mid of last year, I;m running out of cash to dump in hence will be squeezing every drop from even SSPN....

Hence everyone's situation is unique and there is no one best solution, for me its In Dec/Out Jan and rest of the time in the mortgage account...
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You're... just agreeing with what I said w.r.t not using 12 months but instead aiming for shorter tenure so liquidity is available again?
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post Dec 24 2018, 03:29 AM

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QUOTE(fairylord @ Dec 23 2018, 12:22 PM)
Thanks, for the Q&A 16 of the reference page, i assume the 2011 and 2012 example applicable to 2018, 2019.
However, my situation is more like withdraw the balance of

Baki akaun 2018  RM6,000
Pengeluaran deposit 2018 (RM3,000)
Penambahan deposit 2019 RM8,000
Simpanan bersih 2019 RM11,000

But am i entitled RM8k or RM5k tax relief for 2019?
anyone could enlighten me...thanks
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As they're counting annually you should get 8000 for 2019 claim (file in 2020).

But by doing it this way you miss out on 2018 claim (since your net is -3000 for the year).

More efficient way is to withdraw everything (or almost everything, leave RM20 so that don't need to close/reopen account) in 2018. Since you're not claiming anyway.

Some who have been saving over years may want to take a 'gap year' where they don't claim and withdraw everything. Then the next year restart.

For me, forced savings is good anyway. As long as I'm reasonably confident PTPTN not going to shut down and haircut all depositors, may as well leave it in. 4% is not a very poor interest rate anyway.
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post Dec 24 2018, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(fairylord @ Dec 24 2018, 12:46 PM)
thanks for your advice.

may be i shall make the tabulation much clearer.

Baki akaun 2018  RM6,000
Pengeluaran deposit of 2018 in 2019 (RM3,000) withdraw after tax filed - after May 2019
Penambahan deposit 2019 RM8,000
Simpanan bersih 2019 RM11,000
am i entitled 6k and 8k tax relief for both 2018 and 2019 respectively?
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This one has been quite clearly shown in their example, you will only get 5k rebate.

Don't confuse yourself with 'after tax filed' or anything, that is not relevant. Relevant is just:-

1. How much money you had in the account on Jan 1st 20XX - RM A
2. How much interest (if any) you earned on your account during 20XX) - RM B
3. How much money you had on Dec 31st 20XX - RM C

You can claim RM (C- (A+B)). That's all, not complicated.
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post Dec 24 2018, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(lyc1982 @ Dec 24 2018, 02:06 PM)
most importantly is point #3...rebate is based on #3
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No it's not, it's based on change, not final amount.

I currently have about 32k in SSPN, means to qualify for the 8k deduction next year I need to end the year at 40+k in SSPN. If in between I withdraw everything will need to put it back in + 8k.
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post Dec 25 2018, 06:45 AM

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QUOTE(fairylord @ Dec 24 2018, 02:52 PM)
i see, meaning no longer enjoying tax relief by in and out within a year after the net saving impementation.
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You can do in and out, but the amount must be correct. In more than out by the amount you want to claim.
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post Jan 4 2019, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Jan 4 2019, 09:53 AM)
oo.. twx relief?
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You just come into the thread for....? Info all provided already, and SSPN tax benefit is the most 'famous' reason for it to exist.
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post Jan 11 2019, 03:50 PM

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People trying to find loopholes until this far? Technically do-able. You're locking your 10k up for a certain period of time though, which is the period of time required to do the whole roundabout.

Ignoring the fact that SSPN may eventually flag your account for suspicious behaviour, if we assume your 10k is locked up for 2 weeks, comparing it to the normal FD interest rate of 3% gives a cost to you of RM12.50 to play this game. Not taking into account the fact you have to go to PTPTN office to initiate withdrawal (costs to that, including time taken).

Your 10k credit card points are normally worth what.... 20 ringgit?
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QUOTE(alesi616 @ Jan 16 2019, 10:49 AM)
I believe the interest will be very minimal, the idea of deposit+withdraw mainly for tax relief purpose and taking the money to invest in somewhere that gives much higher return.

I deposited 6k on dec2017 and withdrawal on Jun2018 (wasted few months parking money there), I got interest of rm20.
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Interest for full year is normally about 4%. Which is better than standard FDs, but of course if you have other investments those would be preferable.
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post Jan 29 2019, 12:47 PM

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Of course you can still say I could take the entire money out and make it work outside for higher returns to improve the ROI even further. Granted but anything that has a real return of 5% on the money i invested and is guaranteed no loss of money sounds decent enough for me.
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Some people don't believe this part.
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post Jan 29 2019, 04:30 PM

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Do note that additional is only on savings placed between Jan/Apr 2019 (not on the full amount saved up over the years), and only applies if you never did withdrawal. Not really that attractive, mainly just to get people to deposit start of year rather than end of year.

Suspicious minds would take this as indication that PTPTN running out of money.
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Jan 29 2019, 08:38 PM)
So means need to top up at least 500 by Apr if all other conditions fulfill to entitle for this 0.5%?
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Assuming you meet the other conditions.

And only for the amount you top up in this period. So if you currently have 18+k (3 years of 6k each, since 2016) inside and you deposit 8k more this year, you will get X% on the whole balance of 18+k and X+0.5% on the 8k deposit of this year.

As calculated above, max RM40 bonus interest.
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QUOTE(ableze_joepardy @ Jan 30 2019, 10:48 AM)
mine 0 of 2. so maybe they staggered key in
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Same here, 0 out of 2. Accounts opened 2014 and 2016.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Feb 13 2019, 09:04 AM)
translation, for maximum relief of RM8k with the additional 0.5%, you only stand to gain an additional RM40.

lol.
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This is in addition to the basic interest (so far 4%), so its not like you put 8k and ONLY get RM40. Effectively they're doing their own FD promo. Put 8k, get 4.5% interest in first year. Before even taking into account tax rebate.
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QUOTE(mroys@lyn @ Feb 14 2019, 08:26 AM)
agree with you that the additional rewards are peanuts but the maximum rewards is 8k, not maximum deposit. i still think the additional 0.5% is applied on the entire saving instead of on the top-ups. and calculated as one off instead of per annum. eg. nett saving 200k, rewards 200k*0.5%=1000
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QUOTE(swn525 @ Mar 7 2019, 12:04 PM)
but this computation look like need lot of cash flow during the few months
why don't deposit like this way

user posted image

or my calculation is wrong
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You deposit 12k and withdraw 6k... why not just deposit 6k? Especially since 'same month'.
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QUOTE(lyc1982 @ Mar 7 2019, 12:42 PM)
i started SSPN depositing since 2015, but skipped 2017

2015 - 6k
2016 - 6k
2017 - 0 (i didn't file for this SSPN tax relief in 2017 BE form)
2018 - 6k

i thought we are still entitled for the 6k tax relief (2018 BE form) even if we skipped 1 year ?
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Entitled, but what people are talking about is withdrawing for liquidity purposes. Deposit 6k in 2015, withdraw 6k at start of 2016. If still want to claim for 2016, by end of the year must deposit 12k. Then start of 2016 withdraw all, means by end of 2016 you need to deposit 18k.

Too much overthinking really. 4% or so is a good interest rate (not even taking into account tax benefits) for something which is pretty much guaranteed. You can't (shouldnl't) put ALL your money into those high return things like stocks or business, so why not just leave that 6k/8k a year in SSPN rather than trying to roll it yearly and get headache. It's better than savings accounts and most FDs.

Agree with cempedaklife, don't think too much, just start it. Immediately you can get back money from government via tax deduction.

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