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post Nov 28 2005, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(babyelf @ Nov 27 2005, 09:40 PM)
clearflex is good too..

but tygon is by far the best.. i saw my friend's loop that day.. it's amazing compared to the clearflex i got..
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Clearflex is the stuff they gave with the Cool kit right? That sux man. Even my Ace Hardware 90 cents a foot hose is so much better. Nice n clear tubing n doesn't kink oso.
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post Nov 28 2005, 02:07 AM

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Guys check out what happened to this Storm block after pump failure. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

http://www.sgoverclockers.com/modules.php?...viewtopic&t=387
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post Nov 28 2005, 02:36 AM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Nov 28 2005, 02:18 AM)
i can get the pump at RM 25 at my place.
wanna bulk it ? biggrin.gif
the top cover is a plastic ??? i tot it was a cast Alu cover....damn.....

proc  doh.gif  doh.gif gone,water block melted !!!!
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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Nov 28 2005, 02:18 AM)
waaahhh... Storm G5 block delrin top melted!!!! damn!
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Haha. I read sumore in the other threads n turns out that the fella used Swiftech Hydrx coolant. It resulted in a whole lot of alien growth in his water loop. Clogged up everything hence the dead pump. Then after pump died he also noticed all that growth clogged up his Storm block as well. Damn Hydrx. That's y I flushed out my Hydrx a week after using it coz I oso noticed the hoses were getting really white. Hydrx sux man. Read it here.........
http://www.sgoverclockers.com/modules.php?...der=asc&start=0

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post Nov 28 2005, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Nov 28 2005, 04:43 AM)
its not aluminium lar... if u use aluminium ur gonna have a BIG problem with corrosion as aluminium doesnt go well with copper.
the storm's and apogee's upper body is made out of Delrin Acetal
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If using coolant with corrosion protection then it's OK wat. Anyway alu parts for water cooling is always anodized. Coz car's water pump is also alu, rad oso alu but all protected by the coolant.
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post Nov 28 2005, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 28 2005, 09:26 AM)
Kinda regretted buying that MCP650 (D4 sad.gif

Should have gotten a MCP650/DDC instead and fit it with this modded top.
http://tw.f3.page.bid.yahoo.com/tw/auction/c18809758

It's similiar to that systemcooling mod that makes the DDC a MCP600 beater and changes the barbs to 1/2 as well.

*Sigh*
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Dude, that's a pic of the MCP350 with mod top lar.



QUOTE(pornstar @ Nov 28 2005, 12:46 PM)
hydrX not good? ianho, did you really see the white growth?
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My tubes were all coated white after 1 week of Hydrx but there wasn't any actual clumps of growth like that guy experienced all over his system. I flushed my system with batt water after draining the Hydrx n there was no furry stuff coming out. But I din like it coz the tubes became a blurry white.



QUOTE(almostthere @ Nov 28 2005, 01:30 PM)
The problem is you have copper, a known material that easily cmes into contact with other materials chemically and for closed compact loops, corrosion can bild up easily as the temps between idle and full load remains a conducive temperature for algae growth and deanodising of the aluminium. Car's water cooling does not have copper parts internally AFAIK.
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I don't think alu in the loop is a big deal lar. I mean look at the Zalman Reserator. It's a very good example of a great big hunk of alu in the loop. It's also got alu VGA n NB blocks. As long as u use anti corrosion coolant it's ok.





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post Nov 29 2005, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Nov 28 2005, 11:25 PM)
Typo lar...I did say DDC wat right.

Dood..the sarge is trying to say--> Mix metal = big boo boo
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I know wat he's saying. That's y I use the Reserator as a good example of mixed loop. The reserator itself is a big hunk of alu, CPU block is copper, VGA block is alu, NB block is alu. So there's both alu n copper in the loop. The Gigabyte kit is also using alu rad with the copper blocks. Coolermaster Aquagate oso got alu rad with copper block. Many people using custom built WC oso using alu reservoirs. Even the teutonic water gurus Aqua oso use alu reservoirs. As long as using proper coolants then it shudn be a prob unless running just batt water then only it'll start to leech.
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post Nov 29 2005, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(MetalZone @ Nov 29 2005, 01:58 PM)
yeap. right.

btw, ianho, it doesnt matter whether the coolant has anti corrosive properties. the fact is, it only slows down the process. in a long run, if the components surface are improperly treated, alu components will still get corroded (will explain further down). on the other hand, the reserator's copper based CPU block is GOLD PLATED if i recall correctly. so that explains why it can be used.
you will never see people mix copper and aluminium without having either components plated with another suitable material like gold, silver, or nickel, or anodised.
try mixing bare aluminium and copper together with "anti-corrosive" coolant and you're bound to see some results after some time.

almostthere: yeah, saw the apogee machining. not a good sign.
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I understand what u guys r saying. But of course dont use untreated aluminum mar. All WC alu components r always anodized. If u look at the Aqua Computers site, u'll c the reservoirs r alu. So there's a 1337 WC company using alu components in the loop. U can also see that CM uses plain ol copper in the blocks as u can c thru the acrylic that it's bare copper inside but the rad is still alu. N it's a closed loop that's low maintenance n nonid to change water sumore.

The point that sarge brought up bout 1.5 years oso applies to lazy buggers oni. I mean, how many of us allow our WC system to run on the same water for even 6 months? I don't n I'm sure most fellas don't either. Coz if u leave the water in there that long it's gonna get real nasty.


edti: I just found the ultimate example of alu n copper in a loop. It the CPU block itself with both materials. Check it out here.
http://www.aqua-computer.de/e_index.htm
Click on products, cpu waterblock n look for their ultimate CPU block which is the Cuplex Evo.

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post Dec 1 2005, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Dec 1 2005, 07:40 PM)
10k L/h my god.....better change to Grundfos pumps that can pump 10psi of pressure
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Hahaha. Bradder AllnGap, u misread lar. It's 1050 lph lar. 10K bcome fountain pump oredi. laugh.gif laugh.gif Actually b4 I bought my WC I oso thought of using a similar type of canister filter which I haf in the storeroom. Fluval brand, pumps water like hell. Heheh. But so ugly lar hafta put the huge thing outside the case.
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post Dec 4 2005, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 4 2005, 10:44 PM)
Looks like most ppl also got their storms oledi but still no proper reports yet?
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Waiting for ure report mah. Hurry up wit ure hoses lar. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Dec 6 2005, 03:21 AM

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QUOTE(amok @ Dec 5 2005, 10:01 PM)
oooooooo lidat... and I thought swifties do the 90o mod fer ya...
Well hellooo ladies.. drool.gif  drool.gif  drool.gif  brows.gif

.... erk what's in the cooler master box? and t-joint or resevoir?
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That's Coolermaster Thermal Conductivity Fluid. Oh yah, just to let u guys know. I found a really nice plastic T joint at the pet shop. It's an Eheim T joint. Shud b about right for 1/2" hoses. I bought it for my 3/8" anyway coz it looked so nice, n also desperate coz I was using the gas t joint which is kinda small ID n looks very restrictive. So I had to heat up my hose ends with hairdryer n stretched it over the t joint. It costs 15bux at Ikano pet shop.
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post Dec 7 2005, 02:27 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 6 2005, 09:29 AM)
CM coolant ler. Kena brainwashed by ianho and the shop fella. The shop dood claims that the CM and TT coolant's good. His shop basically have a couple of display units that's been running for ages...the bigwater...gigabyte...a diy on CM coolant and the forgot-the-name kit that was using those funky copper rads a few pages back. The latter was using a greenish coolant which he claims was same as the hydrx and there's some funky stuff in the res already.

Oh...T-line seems to be in fashion now..so using that ler. Managed to find a brass T in the plumbing shop. Looks like should do although the ID could be a lil bigger.
Save space mar... my objective is not the most uber temps but quiet, better-than-air temps and tidily bling tongue.gif

Where did you order from?

Ya guys should try sidewinderscomputer..the stuffs sold there ain't as exotic as frozencpu or such and Gary (the dood there) is kinda busy at times but always reply his mail before the next day (unlike the others) and best of all... freakin fast.
I made my latest order and paid via paypal on Monday and it arrived in exactly a week using global express (not even Fedex).  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
And you're the only dood here that uses both a res and a t-line...hahahaha..
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QUOTE(pornstar @ Dec 6 2005, 06:51 PM)
i ordered form metalzone`s bulk...hydrx has caused some build-up on other ppls systems so i wouldnt get that..i plan to fuel my wc with a mix of battery water+automotive coolants and for a lil bling i`ll add a few drops of neon dye to make it uv reactiv
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Yup I can tell u that the Hydrx really does get funky. Hahaha. I had it in for a week n there was oredi weird stuff. There was a funny looking powdery kinda substance at the bottom of the cup when I drained it out. This powdery stuff has been reported by many users of Hydrx on the net too. The hoses were screwed big time too. They had a brownish kinda coating that looks like I ran Milo tru my loop. Hahaha.

Sniper, go get the plastic Eheim T joint. Very big n nice. It's size is written as 16/22 on the label. N yeah I must b the dumbest guy with T joint n res. laugh.gif Basically using the T joint to make life easier so I can top up the res by just poppin open the 5.25" bay cover n refilling tru the tube which extends out of the casing so there wont b any accidents while topping up.
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post Dec 7 2005, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(pornstar @ Dec 7 2005, 02:13 PM)
oh my...even the mcw6000 performs better than the apogee..i think swiftech is seriously screwed up in their decision making when they decide to claim that the apogee "may" peoform better than the storm..and the testing that the reviewer did was quite comprehensive so i`d say that the results are in fact conclusive of the apogee`s performance.
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Haha. My MCW6000 still rocks. N to think I was contemplating the Apogee as my next step up later.
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post Dec 12 2005, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 12 2005, 12:13 AM)
That loop means extra tubing length leh...

Anyway..the good news is finally I'm starting...now working on the duct but the bad news is the missus took the digicam with her overseas so there's not gonna be any pics to pimp  sad.gif
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There goes ure installation log in case mods.
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post Dec 13 2005, 04:23 AM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Dec 12 2005, 08:07 PM)
Anyway..I'm referring to this and cathar's race track analogy

http://www.overclockers.com/articles1088/

Since the temps depend on water temp and that's cooled by the rad everytime it passes through, shouldn't have temp increase no matter cpu or gpu come first right?

Unless the rad being between cpu and gpu.
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Wow! Very informative. Anyway, the pump-GPU-CPU thing really does simplify the loop a lot. When I finally change my casing or at the next changing of fluids I'm gonna do it too.

As Almostthere n Sniper haf sed, the GPU on our rigs run hotter than the CPU. Even on my system now the load temps for GPU is at 52C n CPU only at 42C. Check out the pix of how simple the loop looks like when it's pump-GPU-CPU in the SLi set up here. http://www.coolercases.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=11 U can c the SLi loop on pg 4. Also take note that this is Da Man who invented the SLi Dangerden NV68 blocks. He should haf patented the design n sold it to DD man. Instead DD just heard about it, liked it so much n copied his design. That's the sweetest looking WC set up I've ever seen. Look at how all the water blocks glow. Just awesome. N Sniper, check out that 1/2" barb mod top with built in reservoir man. Niiiiice.
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post Dec 17 2005, 01:23 AM

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It's great to see more n more WC fans here n yet our dear ol LYP is still so lousy wen it comes to WC parts. I wish the WC scene in LYP was as happening as all other parts in LYP man. That wud be awesome.
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Dec 17 2005, 02:55 AM)
WC kits in lowyat are increasing eventough its just AIR BESAR. Mostly ppl who started playing with water start with those kits since its the easiet one to find and sooner they upgrade to a better kit with more expensive price. Even me are getting addicted again to water. Hahaha..
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I remember last time OP used to haf a lot of Danger Den stuff. They shud go back to that lar I reckon. Nowadays all TT in there no syiok man. Mebe shud give neuvas sum feedback so they can start a survey n start getting back to proper WC stuff instead of all TT.
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post Dec 18 2005, 11:44 AM

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Moderno, u shud get a spare PSU n turn on the WC without booting the PC mah. Then let the WC run for few hours with tissue paper put at all the joints to look for leaks. If everything's good then only boot up the PC.


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post Dec 18 2005, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(irenic @ Dec 18 2005, 01:07 PM)
good idea.. last time i just put plastic all over my grafik kad and around the waterblock. if there is any leaking, the water will drop on the plastic..
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So what WC u gonna buy now that u've sold ure Asetek?
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QUOTE(moderno @ Dec 18 2005, 03:04 PM)
i've oledi done the leak test  jumping the PSU 24 pin wires with pin 3 & 4...and tested the leakage for 1 day....everything okey but when transfering those thing inside my rig...then ada leaking plak...uhuk uhuk...

should letak some towels on top of the gcard there cry.gif

irenic nak angkat aper plak lepas nih eh?....  rolleyes.gif
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Ya, that's y u shud install everything inside the PC n test inside but dont boot up. So if it leaks there's no damage coz ure PC got no power. Thank god it was oni a 6200. if it was a hi end card.............. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif
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QUOTE(moderno @ Dec 18 2005, 05:16 PM)
yalohh...it's quite a valuable experience for me... tongue.gif

btw..the asetek gpu water block cannot fit my x600 there...due to the mounting holes on x600 more smaller than permissible mouitng on the gpu waterblock there...

hurm...i wonder if TT Aquarius II waterblock could hop in and maximize the loop rolleyes.gif
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How come the Asetek GPU block so fat 1 ar? Does it fit the 6800GT? Haha. If can then I trade wit u lar. I gip u the Aquarius II, u gip me the Asetek. Hahaha. Sounds like a good deal.

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