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post Mar 24 2011, 08:51 AM, updated 15y ago

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ok this will be a noobest question ever,

have u ever wonder what the right pressure for your tire? and lets say u have changed ur tyre size and also the sticker on driver door is not available

how should pump the tyre to pressure? pump it to max pressure stated on the tyre itself? but ive heard that temperature of the weather and also the tyre itself may effect it

also usually front tyre require more pressure then back tyre, why is that? engine location? front tyre need maneuver?

so the question remain, what the best pressure for your tyre?

This post has been edited by mykazza: Mar 24 2011, 08:54 AM
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post Mar 24 2011, 08:56 AM

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front 210 rear 200...
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post Mar 24 2011, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(shazmn @ Mar 24 2011, 08:56 AM)
front 210 rear 200...
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what make u say this? isnt every car have different tyre pressure due to its weight and also the tyre size itself?
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post Mar 24 2011, 09:07 AM

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If your car has standard thick tires 200 should be enough. But it won't hurt if you put 220 or so. More pressure on the front tire if your car is FF because there's more weight in front. Actually up to you how much you want to put. It's either you want slightly better fuel economy or a better ride but i think the difference is small.

Don't pump max. That's just mad.

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QUOTE(mykazza @ Mar 24 2011, 08:58 AM)
what make u say this? isnt every car have different tyre pressure due to its weight and also the tyre size itself?
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standard pressure for almost any car...n ure driving a neo right...


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post Mar 24 2011, 09:15 AM

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Can always follow what the tyre stated...
But for a standard cars, 220-230 is not a problem... But have to know that, higher pressure will result to braking issues.....
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post Mar 24 2011, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Mar 24 2011, 09:07 AM)
If your car has standard thick tires 200 should be enough. But it won't hurt if you put 220 or so. More pressure on the front tire if your car is FF because there's more weight in front. Actually up to you how much you want to put. It's either you want slightly better fuel economy or a better ride but i think the difference is small.

Don't pump max. That's just mad.
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so if i want better FC should i pump slightly lower then better ride? is that wad u mean? i know 1 or 2 bar wont hurt but what is the best ?

i got experience before with a company car, the driver just pump using the max pressure stated on the tyre and pump during the afternoon i just sked the tyre will burst anytime


QUOTE(shazmn @ Mar 24 2011, 09:12 AM)
standard pressure for almost any car...n ure driving a neo right...
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yes maybe u are true .. but i cant just pump kancil pressure into a isuzu dmax correct?

and yes im driving neo ..
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post Mar 24 2011, 09:54 AM

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dont over pump your tire.
your tire will not explode suddently...but from my experience, your tire will 'bengkak' 1st.

this is the sign of the inner thread failure.

if continue driving, then i think the tire will burst.
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QUOTE(mykazza @ Mar 24 2011, 09:19 AM)
yes maybe u are true .. but i cant just pump kancil pressure into a isuzu dmax correct?

and yes im driving neo ..
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ok i correct my statement...

its standard pressure for almost all proton cars with campro engine...

want elaborate summore ka? how i know? i drive a gen2...used to use 205/40/17 i pump that pressure...used to use 205/45/16 oso pump that pressure...now using 195/55/15 oso pump that pressure...

can adjust a bit front 220 but pressure too high become road sensitive not too comfortable...

u ask basic noob question (which u admit to be noobest question ever) i answer and wanna argue more i feel wasting my time la...
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post Mar 24 2011, 10:22 AM

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If you use 40 or 45 series tires, you can pump around 250 or so. Pump harder for better FC or lower for comfort. It's just logic. There's also a difference in grip. More grip with less pressure. Too much pressure either explode or the center of your tire will be gone quickly.

Not sure if weight matters but my SV4 with 215/45R17 i pump 260/250.

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post Mar 24 2011, 10:43 AM

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er, why i use reading such as 29, 31. where got 220, 240. am i old?
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QUOTE(cracksys @ Mar 24 2011, 10:43 AM)
er, why i use reading such as 29, 31. where got 220, 240. am i old?
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the 29, 30, 31 is based on the PSI scale...

the 200+ is based on the KPA scale.

most pumps can change their scale unit.
some display both scale at the same time
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QUOTE(cracksys @ Mar 24 2011, 10:43 AM)
er, why i use reading such as 29, 31. where got 220, 240. am i old?
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some still prefer the old analog pump...me included
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QUOTE(cracksys @ Mar 24 2011, 10:43 AM)
er, why i use reading such as 29, 31. where got 220, 240. am i old?
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got la. that one is kpa reading. most pump got show both psi & kpa
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post Mar 24 2011, 10:57 AM

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Haha i prefer kPa and digital pump. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mykazza @ Mar 24 2011, 08:51 AM)
ok this will be a noobest question ever,

have u ever wonder what the right pressure for your tire? and lets say u have changed ur tyre size and also the sticker on driver door is not available

how should pump the tyre to pressure? pump it to max pressure stated on the tyre itself? but ive heard that temperature of the weather and also the tyre itself may effect it

also usually front tyre require more pressure then back tyre, why is that? engine location? front tyre need maneuver?

so the question remain, what the best pressure for your tyre?
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1. Never a nub question, I once saw a girl pump her Wira ...400, lucky I was right behind her and suggested maybe she want to pump a little less.

2. Pls let us know what car, general rule of thumb is around 220 for sedans as others have said.

3. If you are not sure, pump both front and rear same, some pump differently due to FF/FR, different tyre size, spirited driving, etc...
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QUOTE(shazmn @ Mar 24 2011, 10:04 AM)
ok i correct my statement...

its standard pressure for almost all proton cars with campro engine...

want elaborate summore ka? how i know? i drive a gen2...used to use 205/40/17 i pump that pressure...used to use 205/45/16 oso pump that pressure...now using 195/55/15 oso pump that pressure...

can adjust a bit front 220 but pressure too high become road sensitive not too comfortable...

u ask basic noob question (which u admit to be noobest question ever) i answer and wanna argue more i feel wasting my time la...
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sorry if i hurt ur felling in any way .. this topic are meant for discussion therefore i ask for more details why u put that kind of pressure into your tire, yes maybe it was stated in the manual or the sticker on ur door but i just open this topic so we have more understanding what those numbers really mean and will it effect our driving, fuel consumption or even our safety, and basically our pocket which i believe with correct pressure we will have longer tyre life span


QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Mar 24 2011, 10:22 AM)
If you use 40 or 45 series tires, you can pump around 250 or so. Pump harder for better FC or lower for comfort. It's just logic. There's also a difference in grip. More grip with less pressure. Too much pressure either explode or the center of your tire will be gone quickly.

Not sure if weight matters but my SV4 with 215/45R17 i pump 260/250.
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now i get the idea.. so basically harder = performance lower = comfort , now i get the idea when the tyre hard it will have better grip on the ground and when a bit soft it will bring back the rubbery of the tyre but if too low it will make ur tyre roll uneven.


QUOTE(cracksys @ Mar 24 2011, 10:43 AM)
er, why i use reading such as 29, 31. where got 220, 240. am i old?
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no u too young.. old people use use those hundreds numbers on analog


QUOTE(MeToo @ Mar 24 2011, 11:40 AM)
1. Never a nub question, I once saw a girl pump her Wira ...400, lucky I was right behind her and suggested maybe she want to pump a little less.

2. Pls let us know what car, general rule of thumb is around 220 for sedans as others have said.

3. If you are not sure, pump both front and rear same, some pump differently due to FF/FR, different tyre size, spirited driving, etc...
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400 on wira shocking.gif
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post Mar 24 2011, 12:22 PM

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even digital pump has the unit conversion button, just hold it and it will display psi reading

i pump 225kpa (33psi) for front and 205kpa (30psi) for rear, since the front of my car is dam heavy because of the driver and engine, and rear most of the time is empty


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QUOTE(MeToo @ Mar 24 2011, 11:40 AM)
1. Never a nub question, I once saw a girl pump her Wira ...400, lucky I was right behind her and suggested maybe she want to pump a little less.

2. Pls let us know what car, general rule of thumb is around 220 for sedans as others have said.

3. If you are not sure, pump both front and rear same, some pump differently due to FF/FR, different tyre size, spirited driving, etc...
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the pump can go up to 400kpa? perhaps the wira got double tyre or something laugh.gif

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post Mar 24 2011, 01:21 PM

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so, much eh. my mech said only 31psi enough.
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QUOTE(cracksys @ Mar 24 2011, 01:21 PM)
so, much eh. my mech said only 31psi enough.
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31psi is equal to 210kpa+-...
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just follow what is written on side of tyre to be safe...
easy mah.... every tyre have this printed...

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then if ur tyre like above said max pressure 40psi (+-275kpa) u would pump in 40 psi meh?
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QUOTE(mikicun @ Mar 24 2011, 02:31 PM)
just follow what is written on side of tyre to be safe...
easy mah.... every tyre have this printed...

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u go pump max on ur 4 tyres? shocking.gif

keras & licin not good yo.
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QUOTE(shazmn @ Mar 24 2011, 02:42 PM)
then if ur tyre like above said max pressure 40psi (+-275kpa) u would pump in 40 psi meh?
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because all car has the same weight laugh.gif
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aiyoo... thats the max pressure ur tyre can tahan la.. stupiak...

ur car tachometer write 240kph... ur drive 240kph all the way ka... stupiak..

just dont go over max la... take 60%-70% of max is enuff... save extra 30%-40% for extra weight, expansion from heat generated and other stuff la....

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bukan u tak tau kete kat pintu ade plak tulis recommended tyre pressure.
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QUOTE(mikicun @ Mar 24 2011, 02:31 PM)
just follow what is written on side of tyre to be safe...
easy mah.... every tyre have this printed...

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QUOTE(mikicun @ Mar 24 2011, 03:00 PM)
aiyoo... thats the max pressure ur tyre can tahan la.. stupiak...

ur car tachometer write 240kph... ur drive 240kph all the way ka... stupiak..

just dont go over max la... take 60%-70% of max is enuff... save extra 30%-40% for extra weight, expansion from heat generated and other stuff la....

aiyoo...
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ur first reply didnt say 60-70% la bodo...u said follow what is written on side of tyre la bodo...

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QUOTE(mikicun @ Mar 24 2011, 02:31 PM)
just follow what is written on side of tyre to be safe...
easy mah.... every tyre have this printed...

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Hashhaha if i follow my tyre then I will be driving aroudn with 51 psi hahahhaha
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go to workshop and pump la they can messure using pressure device...coz at petrol station u ll never get the real reading from the pump...coz everytime i finish pump i test with my digital pressure meter...the actual reading can different as much as +-20%
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QUOTE(jusTinMM @ Mar 24 2011, 05:03 PM)
go to workshop and pump la they can messure using pressure device...coz at petrol station u ll never get the real reading from the pump...coz everytime i finish pump i test with my digital pressure meter...the actual reading can different as much as +-20%
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The correct way to check your tire pressure is during cold time, i always check my tire pressure during i warm up my engine in the morning. 31psi for front & rear on my 2.0 inspira
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post Mar 24 2011, 05:49 PM

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I thought tyre pressure is the same only difference is amount of air in the tyre
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Mar 24 2011, 05:49 PM)
I thought tyre pressure is the same only difference is amount of air in the tyre
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how exactly do u measure the amount of air if it not pressure? rclxub.gif

can u please explain to noob like me?
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QUOTE(mykazza @ Mar 24 2011, 06:47 PM)
how exactly do u measure the amount of air if it not pressure?  rclxub.gif

can u please explain to noob like me?
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lol.... chemistry time? you need physics too hmm.gif
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Average just pump 31-33psi.

If u wan more comfort, then pump abit less. Will be better for braking too because more tyre surface contact with the road.

If u wan better fuel consumption, then pump abit more. Less tyre surface contact with road means less friction. But don't overpump, or it will compromise braking.

Normally if I'm pumping on a hot day or if I've driven to the petrol kiosk, then I'll pump a little bit more to compensate for expansion. So maybe abt 34-35psi.

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QUOTE(mykazza @ Mar 24 2011, 11:47 AM)
how exactly do u measure the amount of air if it not pressure?  rclxub.gif

can u please explain to noob like me?
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er i mean you can inflate a lorry tyre to 32 psi and a bicycle tyre to 32 psi both have same pressure but amount of air is different
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Mar 24 2011, 10:37 PM)
er i mean you can inflate a lorry tyre to 32 psi and a bicycle tyre to 32 psi both have same pressure but amount of air is different

aha yeah now that you word it this way it makes more sense.

My savvy i do 220front 200back. harder a bit than recommended
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Mar 24 2011, 11:40 AM)
1. Never a nub question, I once saw a girl pump her Wira ...400, lucky I was right behind her and suggested maybe she want to pump a little less.

2. Pls let us know what car, general rule of thumb is around 220 for sedans as others have said.

3. If you are not sure, pump both front and rear same, some pump differently due to FF/FR, different tyre size, spirited driving, etc...
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I saw one wira at petrol station, 4 indian guys in car keep pointing the machine says it's spoilt already, they take turns to pump the tyres... i look at it, they are trying to put 40 (or 48 i don't remember) psi ... they didn't ask me, so i didn't tell them lo ...
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any suggestion for 155/55/14 front and rear?thanks smile.gif
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Haha...got one time after i finished pumping air to my bike, then got one car waiting behind (cute girl) laugh.gif

so i gave the pump to her...i already increased the pressure to 32 psi...she looked at me (gave a weird reaction)...

she increased the pressure to 40 psi doh.gif for here myvi sweat.gif

i just left after that, she made me look like orang bodoh doh.gif

that time, i hoped that she doesnt involve in accident...
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QUOTE(onyxzoom @ Mar 24 2011, 09:15 PM)
Average just pump 31-33psi.

If u wan more comfort, then pump abit less. Will be better for braking too because more tyre surface contact with the road.

If u wan better fuel consumption, then pump abit more. Less tyre surface contact with road means less friction. But don't overpump, or it will compromise braking.

Normally if I'm pumping on a hot day or if I've driven to the petrol kiosk, then I'll pump a little bit more to compensate for expansion. So maybe abt 34-35psi.
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I'm not sure if that is exactly accurate.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=1
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Disadvantages of Underinflation

An underinflated tire can't maintain its shape and becomes flatter than intended while in contact with the road. If a vehicle’s tires are underinflated by only 6 psi it could lead to tire failure. Additionally, the tire’s tread life could be reduced by as much as 25%. Lower inflation pressure will allow the tire to deflect (bend) more as it rolls. This will build up internal heat, increase rolling resistance and cause a reduction in fuel economy of up to 5%. You would experience a significant loss of steering precision and cornering stability. While 6 psi doesn’t seem excessively low, remember, it usually represents about 20% of the tire’s recommended pressure.

Disadvantages of Overinflation

An overinflated tire is stiff and unyielding and the size of its footprint in contact with the road is reduced. If a vehicle's tires are overinflated by 6 psi, they could be damaged more easily when running over potholes or debris in the road. Higher inflated tires cannot isolate road irregularities well, causing them to ride harsher. However, higher inflation pressures usually provide an improvement in steering response and cornering stability up to a point. This is why participants who use street tires in autocrosses, track events and road races run higher than normal inflation pressures. The pressure must be checked with a quality air gauge as the inflation pressure cannot be accurately estimated through visual inspection.


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The next test was run on our test course to confirm the influence of tire pressure on the tire's performance at its limit. While the drivers thought that the properly inflated tires provided responsiveness and predictable handling, they quickly realized that the same tires in an underinflated state left a lot to be desired. The underinflated tires required more steering input to initiate maneuvers and were slower to respond. The underinflated tires also felt out of sync during transitions; instead of moving in unison, the rear tires' reactions lagged behind the front tires, resulting in a detached sensation being transmitted to the drivers


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While driving at the edge of a tire's ability in wet conditions is challenging, the car with the properly inflated tires provide handling that was predictable. Driving the car with the underinflated rear tires proved to be much more difficult to drive and forced the driver to slow down to retain control, producing lap times that were several seconds slower than the properly inflated car.

While tire manufacturers can develop tires with great hydroplaning resistance and wet traction, poor maintenance of tire inflation pressures can make a great tire awful.

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Mar 24 2011, 10:37 PM)
er i mean you can inflate a lorry tyre to 32 psi and a bicycle tyre to 32 psi both have same pressure but amount of air is different
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It doesn't really matter. As long as you got the correct pressure, the correct amount of air will be in the tire. The question is, what should be the correct pressure?

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What is your suggestion for 215 45 17 tyres ?

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I normally pumped 250 for all 4 tires on my truck. Saw 1 aunty pumped 310 for her Honda Jazz. Wanted to tell her but she drove away.
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I pump 235, because it will last longer between air pumping intervals.


Added on June 23, 2011, 2:21 pm I pump 235, because it will last longer between air pumping intervals.

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QUOTE(Joseph Hahn @ Mar 24 2011, 10:57 AM)
Haha i prefer kPa and digital pump. tongue.gif
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Ya, for me also... last time i like to use manual but now i more like to use digital pump.

Easy and understanding. rclxms.gif

 

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