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felizstyle
post Mar 24 2011, 05:49 AM


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Yesterday, the lady boss said they will deduct salary for those who always come late without any warning letter. Besides, their deduction is according to OT rate, that means has to x1.5 every hours. This company being really mean to their workers.

1. ) Is it legal for them to deduct our salaries without warning letter? (just oral warning, but some people don't hear about it). Even though we come in late, but we do work extra hours for them to reach 8.30 working hours. From what I know, they just choose certain people for deduction of salary, even though our supervisors situation worse, but no action against them. So unfair. we are coming late as our supervisors said we can, but Boss said cannot. We know this is our mistake, but they just takes action on people who r still in probation but not supervisors that has more serious late problem. This makes us feel total disagree!!!

2.) Is it the deduction is based on OT rate? For people who salary lower then 1500, their OT are gone.

3.) This company wants all their workers work on public holiday with replacement of 1 day leave. Is it legal? If not, what action we can take?

4.) Before, they r using 6 days work. Now, They r practicing 5 days work, that is from 5.30am till 3.00pm. It suppose to start on Friday, but they want us start before the date. That means we are working one extra day (Saturday), but no extra leave given. Are they doing right?


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5. ) Now, this company offer us to work one more day to do replacement for being late, and no salary will be deducted. Can they force their workers like that? Actually they just asking people who r still in probation to work extra day, but other workers are free of that. They are bullying new people and those who has resign.

6.) Actually i really love to report this matter to Malaysia Labor Department, but is it action will be taken? and is this matter will be concerned?






This chinaman company is being mean to their workers, one of our colleagues that work here for 3 years and will resign this month also deducted for being late. He always stay at this office till 12.am but the reward is salary deducted. Also, one of the norm ins chinaman company also exist in here, salary are extremely low. Salary for people who ady worked for 5 years is below RM3000....what!?!?unbelievable... That guy is supervisor and always OT for this company, but never appreciated. Lastly, this company turnover is extremely high...just like what i read in other thread in this forum, this is a typical chinaman company. sad.gif icon_question.gif


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Besides, they also disallow their workers to take half day leave which is against labor law again.




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Let me defense myself,

actually this company start practicing 5 days work (working hours = 5.30am - 3.00pm) after 11/3, but we start on 7/3 and no extra leave or allowance given. That one i don't wanna count.

but for salary deduction, they deduct from 16/2, which we r still working 6 days, during that time, no warning given for being late. They don't mention about this matter and our supervisor said we can come late as long as before 6.30am (working time = 5.30am - 12.30pm) . but after 5 day works, we come according to working time.

they told us that we cannot late during 5 days work, we r punctuate. but some seniors still repeat the same thing.

then, they said they have gave us final warning, so is it fair?!? even you wanna deduct salary, is it suppose to start on 11/3? but no, they start on 16/2!!!

What they did r against rules,

what i feel is they r using us, who r still in probation to warn other people.
I am here to ask for solution, whether i can report this matter to government or not.. Because i afraid even after i report, no actions will be taken.

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This has been practiced by most company. Example big company that practice this in Malaysia is Sony wink.gif
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post Mar 24 2011, 07:23 AM


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This has been practiced by most company. Example big company that practice this in Malaysia is Sony wink.gif
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i know...but they deduct without giving any warning letter, just oral warning, is that legal?
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post Mar 24 2011, 08:44 AM


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no happy jus quit...wan cont work jus folo the rules
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post Mar 24 2011, 08:56 AM


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last time my first job rm700 deduct rm500+

i still remember lol
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post Mar 24 2011, 09:03 AM


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same here . my company got practices this and no in the handbook .
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QUOTE(felizstyle @ Mar 24 2011, 07:23 AM)
i know...but they deduct without giving any warning letter, just oral warning, is that legal?
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I dont get you....

Do you mean for 1st time u want to get a warning letter instead of deduct salary, and then the next time onwards you want to get salary deducted?

Or you just simply want them to issue a general MEMO via email/letter to everyone regarding the issue?
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TS, why do you insist on taking the long and torturous road? It's so much easier to change employers rather than to 'change' your employer.
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QUOTE(dvinez @ Mar 24 2011, 08:56 AM)
last time my first job rm700 deduct rm500+

i still remember lol
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U never went to work for about 12 days?
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post Mar 24 2011, 09:21 AM


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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Mar 24 2011, 09:13 AM)
U never went to work for about 12 days?
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work at 10 i arrive 10.05 or 10.10 for 26 days. 500+ is after discount already lol.
it is local chinese hp shop with 9 branches in sg.wang but the boss damn kedekut.


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QUOTE(seantang @ Mar 24 2011, 09:12 AM)
TS, why do you insist on taking the long and torturous road? It's so much easier to change employers rather than to 'change' your employer.
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Totally agree. Changing management style is nigh impossible. Easier to change job.
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post Mar 24 2011, 09:26 AM


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No memo not legit. Even if got memo also it must be legal terms, not suka-hati ones. Used to go thru a big arch firm doing shit like this. Same stuff (and more, obviously), like:
-late 30 minutes, deduct half day salary even though work of until after 12 midnite
-OT till tomorrow but can replace only when company say ok.
- applied for long leave 2 months in advance, n no response at all until scheduled leave day

U know what happened after?
- if late a bit, staff just balik n come back after lunch since deducted pay anyway (rule got cancelled within a month)
- if overnight, staff just takes leave IMMIDEATELY after job submission and just inform admin in writing I.e work until what time + job completed (company can't say shit after)
- just take leave anyway since in general ISO policy sez that if no response between a said time, consider accepted.

All told, werk life is hard sometimes, get with it. But people owning a company doesn't own the whole world n we're all bound by legit rules. we're all human anyway


Added on March 24, 2011, 9:31 amJust a note, no such thing as giving 3 warning letters in a day (or a few days even) to instantly terminate u. Talking based on previous experiences with last firm. Got details why but u can ask any HONEST HR why n he/she will lay it out for u nicely. Wrote too much on previous post alredy, hehe.

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post Mar 24 2011, 09:31 AM


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The question is, is it legal in the Employment Act for a company to deduct salary for late comers?
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post Mar 24 2011, 09:53 AM


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It is not legal. The problem is most employee accepted it thus making it a gray area.
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post Mar 24 2011, 10:29 AM


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TS, can pm the name of the company ? so that next time, this company will be in my banned list
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post Mar 24 2011, 10:55 AM


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I agree that what the company doing is unreasonable.

Is it reasonable for staff to come in late?


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post Mar 24 2011, 10:56 AM


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write the company name here... so everyone can ban that company..


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QUOTE(TommyTan @ Mar 24 2011, 10:55 AM)
I agree that what the company doing is unreasonable.

Is it reasonable for staff to come in late?
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i guess there must be a level of tolerance for that.. say 10 - 15 mins late i believe should be acceptable. and if the mins needs to be replace then i believe working another 30mins should show enuff of good faith.


china man company are very kedekut.. u late they will kira kira with u.. but when u work till late late.. they wont layan u when u wanna kira kira with them...



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post Mar 24 2011, 11:03 AM


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coming late....big problem!
going back late.......it is a must!

sad fact
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post Mar 24 2011, 11:09 AM


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TS, my advise to you is to resign from this company.

most other companies like MNC wont deduct your salary by 1.5x when you turn up late.


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post Mar 24 2011, 11:39 AM


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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Mar 24 2011, 09:06 AM)
I dont get you....

Do you mean for 1st time u want to get a warning letter instead of deduct salary, and then the next time onwards you want to get salary deducted?

Or you just simply want them to issue a general MEMO via email/letter to everyone regarding the issue?
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from my understanding, according to malaysia labor law, they can deduct salary for workers that being late, but before that, they have to give warning letter...till 3 times.

but they never give us any warning letter


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QUOTE(nicvoo @ Mar 24 2011, 08:44 AM)
no happy jus quit...wan cont work jus folo the rules
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yes i cant and i will quit. but i just wanna know whether i can report this or not


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QUOTE(dvinez @ Mar 24 2011, 08:56 AM)
last time my first job rm700 deduct rm500+

i still remember lol
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for being late?


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QUOTE(faceless @ Mar 24 2011, 09:53 AM)
It is not legal. The problem is most employee accepted it thus making it a gray area.
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ya, no one dare to speak even though they r dissatisfied.
that why they keep bullying us


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The question is, is it legal in the Employment Act for a company to deduct salary for late comers?
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can!they can deduct after giving warning letters..


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QUOTE(gerrardling @ Mar 24 2011, 10:29 AM)
TS, can pm the name of the company ? so that next time, this company will be in my banned list
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will give u after i quit

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I don't know what position you are holding but sad.gif I think those in executive levels are subjected to different laws under contract either in B & W or verbally and is not similar on all levels. I think what you should be complaining is the boss not giving OT if you work late and not complaining about getting your pay deducted when you are late. Actually the solution is very simple, don't be late lorr! tongue.gif When you come late, you are just getting your leg trapped because you are wrong. In some companies, executives are subjected to contract they agreed on and not labour laws.

I know of a company where by if you are late by 5 minutes you work an extra 1 hour, no deduction of salary, would you prefer that? Afterall no paycut mah! tongue.gif All this disiplinary actions are because there is a certain etiquette or rather rules that we as workers must follow. No matter how you want to lodge a complaint to Labour Dept., you are still subjected to disiplinary laws. Nobody likes those who are never on time. Just like speed limit, either you sre speeding or you don't, no such thing as 15 minutes should be OK. What if you make an appointment with a client and you are 10 minutes late, imagine how embarassing that is.

I know chinaman company is such, no doubt about that but it is better than working under a chinaman's wife. Ha,ha,ha biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ben83 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:31 AM)
The question is, is it legal in the Employment Act for a company to deduct salary for late comers?
If rules are confined within the book, it is unsolicited deduction being made by your company. If you to follow this matter by by book...

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Its a normal practice for most of the company, and its good to discipline their staff. I don't see any problem with this. whistling.gif Not only on chinaman company, if not happy just leave.

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QUOTE(felizstyle @ Mar 24 2011, 11:39 AM)
ya, no one dare to speak even though they r dissatisfied.
that why they keep bullying us

Can't blame the company for bullying because you guys really look like you enjoy being bullied.

As the Chinese proverb says "One like to hit, the other likes to get hit."

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QUOTE(dvinez @ Mar 24 2011, 09:21 AM)
work at 10 i arrive 10.05 or 10.10 for 26 days. 500+ is after discount already lol.
it is local chinese hp shop with 9 branches in sg.wang but the boss damn kedekut.
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Lol, that's how he get to open 9 branches. Cut salary!
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Here's the short answer- if u are an employee under the employment act-the company cannot deduct salary for coming in late and must pay you overtime. Go to the labour department and make a complaint.

If you are not under the employment act, it depends on your contract etc.

But really, just come to work on time la! And working beyond your working hours is normal!

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post Mar 25 2011, 06:47 AM


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QUOTE(etigge @ Mar 24 2011, 03:17 PM)
I don't know what position you are holding but sad.gif  I think those in executive levels are subjected to different laws under contract either in B & W or verbally and is not similar on all levels.  I think what you should be complaining is the boss not giving OT  if you work late and not complaining about getting your pay deducted when you are late. Actually the solution is very simple, don't be late lorr! tongue.gif  When you come late, you are just getting your leg trapped because you are wrong. In some companies, executives are subjected to contract  they agreed on and not labour laws.

I know of a company where by if you are late by 5 minutes you work an extra 1 hour, no deduction of salary, would you prefer that? Afterall no paycut mah! tongue.gif  All this disiplinary actions are because there is a certain etiquette or rather rules that we as workers must follow. No matter how you want to lodge a complaint to Labour Dept., you are still subjected to disiplinary laws. Nobody likes those who are never on time. Just like speed limit, either you sre speeding or you don't, no such thing as 15 minutes should be OK. What if you make an appointment with a client and you are 10 minutes late, imagine how embarassing that is.

I know chinaman company is such, no doubt about that but it is better than working under a chinaman's wife. Ha,ha,ha biggrin.gif
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" I think those in executive levels are subjected to different laws under contract either in B & W or verbally and is not similar on all levels. "

That means even their salary are just like us also different story?

the one that worked 3 years above n resigning is supervisor, his salary get deducted. But other supervisors are safe. so i think its totally unfair



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icon_rolleyes.gif I think you should reconsider carefully. It is actually a matter of a small sum and your ego. Swallow your pride and it will all go away unless you are a habitual late comer. blush.gif I don't know how long you have worked in this company and my guess is quite some time else you won't be feeling so disgruntled. Sometimes, I think it is just wise to work as much as expected and not more. I am always the kind that will go all out for a company without expecting anything more than my pay but bosses don't think like that. They are always harping for the profits. After an small incident, the boss kind of reprimanded me and this makes me so resentful. I was thinking to myself," After all the things that I did and never even calculated." I got more resentful and finally gave my resignation.

Just before the day came, my boss had another talk with me and asked me to stay on, sorta giving in but with pride. I held on to my decision adamantly and said, " A man always meant what he says." Like the chinese saying, " Both are on stage and both don't know how to get off the stage without compromising our own egos." In the end the restaurant lost a good chef and I lost a good job. Both had regrets. cry.gif I worked other places but never got the understanding of a good boss and he hired others but none were to his expectations. It is the extras that we put in in goodwill that matters here, to us workers. For a boss, the more they can get out of their workers the better. That's why the resentful feelings. rclxub.gif

Another example is my brother in-law. He didn't even pass his SPM, He got a job at Woo Hing as sales assistant. Month by month, year by year, he started repairing high end watches and finally he can service and repair Rolexes, APs etc. Bvlgari offered him a job and he took it at a higher salary. Bvlgari even sent him twice to Switzerland for courses and updating workshops seminars. One day a package came and in it was a few spares but a few winding knobs were thrown away together with the packaging. They were so tiny! The company accused him of stealing it but he denied it, off course. Then the company said they will deduct his pay in 6 staggered deductions. He got angry and didn't turn up for work the next day out of resent. The company's officials came to the house to asked him back to work but he refused to see him.

Now, he is just changing straps and selling cheap watches for a chain of watch stores located in a hypermart. Isn't that a waste over a small matter or ego and pride. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Beth79 @ Mar 24 2011, 09:19 PM)
Here's the short answer- if u are an employee under the employment act-the company cannot deduct salary for coming in late and must pay you overtime. Go to the labour department and make a complaint.

If you are not under the employment act, it depends on your contract etc.

But really, just come to work on time la! And working beyond your working hours is normal!
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Just make a complaint on the overzealous pay cut and then go to work on time.

Also try reconsidering your decision about quitting don't let your ego run wild.

Just my 5 cents.
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icon_rolleyes.gif I think you should reconsider carefully. It is actually a matter of a small sum and your ego. Swallow your pride and it will all go away unless you are a habitual late comer. blush.gif I don't know how long you have worked in this company and my guess is quite some time else you won't be feeling so disgruntled. Sometimes, I think it is just wise to work as much as expected and not more. I am always the kind that will go all out for a company without expecting anything more than my pay but bosses don't think like that. They are always harping for the profits. After an small incident, the boss kind of reprimanded me and this makes me so resentful. I was thinking to myself," After all the things that I did and never even calculated." I got more resentful and finally gave my resignation.

Just before the day came, my boss had another talk with me and asked me to stay on, sorta giving in but with pride. I held on to my decision adamantly and said, " A man always meant what he says." Like the chinese saying, " Both are on stage and both don't know how to get off the stage without compromising our own egos." In the end the restaurant lost a good chef and I lost a good job. Both had regrets. cry.gif I worked other places but never got the understanding of a good boss and he hired others but none were to his expectations. It is the extras that we put in in goodwill that matters here, to us workers. For a boss, the more they can get out of their workers the better. That's why the resentful feelings. rclxub.gif

Another example is my brother in-law. He didn't even pass his SPM, He got a job at Woo Hing as sales assistant. Month by month, year by year, he started repairing high end watches and finally he can service and repair Rolexes, APs etc. Bvlgari offered him a job and he took it at a higher salary. Bvlgari even sent him twice to Switzerland for courses and updating workshops seminars. One day a package came and in it was a few spares but a few winding knobs were thrown away together with the packaging. They were so tiny! The company accused him of stealing it but he denied it, off course. Then the company said they will deduct his pay in 6 staggered deductions. He got angry and didn't turn up for work the next day out of resent. The company's officials came to the house to asked him back to work but he refused to see him.

Now, he is just changing straps and selling cheap watches for a chain of watch stores located in a hypermart. Isn't that a waste over a small matter or ego and pride. hmm.gif

Reconsider. icon_idea.gif
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thx for ur advice. Actually i do try to work hard so that people can see my effort, fresh graduate always have that kind of passion laugh.gif . But then , i found that even though i worked hard no one will appreciate. Our boss never praise us talk to us, even if we met with boss, they will not smile to us.

I have worked here for few months, and i knew its not good for me. I reconsider for many times and i choose to leave. This kind of job does not have much future, not sure u heard about it or not.

New and advertisement monitoring agency, it help clients to look for info/ads in newspapers/radio/internet n bla bla bla. what people normally do are scan paper and upload papers only. damn boring job..


Added on March 25, 2011, 2:20 pm[quote=altan,Mar 25 2011, 12:38 PM]
Just make a complaint on the overzealous pay cut and then go to work on time.

Also try reconsidering your decision about quitting don't let your ego run wild.

Just my 5 cents.
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don't worry , will not let my ego control me, make decision based on my future.

even we on time, but they still use the past tense to blame us... upset.



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hahaha. change company only la. u either come in early n leave smack on time or change company.

like my previous company, the first 10 minutes, they charge u RM10. so if u're 1 minute late, u're charged RM10. if u're 11 minutes late, RM20. bla bla bla...

my current company, start at 9, give u bout 5-10 mins lea-way. boss dont really bother what u do as long as u're in office n ur work is done. she also emphasizes that we shouldn't work pass our office hours. LOL~
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hope that it is not an IT company
btw, any IT companies that still not practising flexible working hours?


Added on March 26, 2011, 12:51 pmhope that it is not an IT company
btw, any IT companies that still not practising flexible working hours?

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It does not matter what company you are working for it is basic Etiquette to be on time. Imagine someone work for you always come late or if you have 5 staff and 1 come on time and the other 4 do then the one that come on time probably think it's unfair....What do you think you will do?

Penalty is a way to deter people from breaking rules and it's apply to everyone in the company...rules and regulation. If not everyone start coming in 5-10mins late or even back from lunch imagine that!

It may be unfair to those who come in on time on most days and on days when he/she is really stuck in traffic for whatever legit reason... blame it on those who always come late or break rules.
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icon_rolleyes.gif I think you should reconsider carefully. It is actually a matter of a small sum and your ego. Swallow your pride and it will all go away unless you are a habitual late comer. blush.gif I don't know how long you have worked in this company and my guess is quite some time else you won't be feeling so disgruntled. Sometimes, I think it is just wise to work as much as expected and not more. I am always the kind that will go all out for a company without expecting anything more than my pay but bosses don't think like that. They are always harping for the profits. After an small incident, the boss kind of reprimanded me and this makes me so resentful. I was thinking to myself," After all the things that I did and never even calculated." I got more resentful and finally gave my resignation.

Just before the day came, my boss had another talk with me and asked me to stay on, sorta giving in but with pride. I held on to my decision adamantly and said, " A man always meant what he says." Like the chinese saying, " Both are on stage and both don't know how to get off the stage without compromising our own egos." In the end the restaurant lost a good chef and I lost a good job. Both had regrets. cry.gif I worked other places but never got the understanding of a good boss and he hired others but none were to his expectations. It is the extras that we put in in goodwill that matters here, to us workers. For a boss, the more they can get out of their workers the better. That's why the resentful feelings. rclxub.gif

Another example is my brother in-law. He didn't even pass his SPM, He got a job at Woo Hing as sales assistant. Month by month, year by year, he started repairing high end watches and finally he can service and repair Rolexes, APs etc. Bvlgari offered him a job and he took it at a higher salary. Bvlgari even sent him twice to Switzerland for courses and updating workshops seminars. One day a package came and in it was a few spares but a few winding knobs were thrown away together with the packaging. They were so tiny! The company accused him of stealing it but he denied it, off course. Then the company said they will deduct his pay in 6 staggered deductions. He got angry and didn't turn up for work the next day out of resent. The company's officials came to the house to asked him back to work but he refused to see him.

Now, he is just changing straps and selling cheap watches for a chain of watch stores located in a hypermart. Isn't that a waste over a small matter or ego and pride. hmm.gif

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Accused of stealing is not a small matter, this will damage your reputation all over the industry. But I don't agree with your bro-in-law method of handling the issue, not turning up for work is childish.
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Another example is my brother in-law. He didn't even pass his SPM, He got a job at Woo Hing as sales assistant. Month by month, year by year, he started repairing high end watches and finally he can service and repair Rolexes, APs etc. Bvlgari offered him a job and he took it at a higher salary. Bvlgari even sent him twice to Switzerland for courses and updating workshops seminars. One day a package came and in it was a few spares but a few winding knobs were thrown away together with the packaging. They were so tiny! The company accused him of stealing it but he denied it, off course. Then the company said they will deduct his pay in 6 staggered deductions. He got angry and didn't turn up for work the next day out of resent. The company's officials came to the house to asked him back to work but he refused to see him.

Now, he is just changing straps and selling cheap watches for a chain of watch stores located in a hypermart. Isn't that a waste over a small matter or ego and pride. hmm.gif

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I think in this case your bro in law stood up for his principles.. being accused of theft is no small thing... it probably was an affront to his dignity his integrity and probably his own values as a person... if he went back to work, the shadow of being a thief would hang over him.. next time anything went missing, he will probably be suspected again... sometimes your own dignity matters more than money... if the trust is not there it will be a very difficult working environment..
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deduct salary is normal practice.

but bet u cannot find a GM like this:
1. ask u to teach ur subordinate technician EVERYTHING you know and in speed. dont want to teach, u go in see him and get wallop, and you were told this "you work worse than your subordinate" (while your subordinate is the one that made all the problems/errors)
2. all the faults of previous IT, especially the sh!ts, fall on your head, even those 3-4 years before you joined which you have 0 idea what was happening and you still be expected to come up with complete investigation report and why you never went correct it (and you dont even know about it, as its already ignored by most staffs and they can live without that)
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my previous company cut by the min...
1 min late also cut...
cumulative in a month cut bout 20 mins...
VERY calculative....

luckily i left....

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[quote=jjoeyzz,Mar 28 2011, 09:48 AM]It does not matter what company you are working for it is basic Etiquette to be on time. Imagine someone work for you always come late or if you have 5 staff and 1 come on time and the other 4 do then the one that come on time probably think it's unfair....What do you think you will do?

Penalty is a way to deter people from breaking rules and it's apply to everyone in the company...rules and regulation. If not everyone start coming in 5-10mins late or even back from lunch imagine that!

It may be unfair to those who come in on time on most days and on days when he/she is really stuck in traffic for whatever legit reason... blame it on those who always come late or break rules.
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if i am the boss, i will not care whether my workers late or not. most important is efficiency.

my friends worked in big 4, sometimes they r late too, but no deduction, because what does matter is efficiency.

i can come on time, but just because we r punctuate does not mean we r good in our works.

we r late but does not mean we can't do things.

besides, i have stated we come on time after they apply 5 days work, so they should not count for previous system.


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Another example is my brother in-law. He didn't even pass his SPM, He got a job at Woo Hing as sales assistant. Month by month, year by year, he started repairing high end watches and finally he can service and repair Rolexes, APs etc. Bvlgari offered him a job and he took it at a higher salary. Bvlgari even sent him twice to Switzerland for courses and updating workshops seminars. One day a package came and in it was a few spares but a few winding knobs were thrown away together with the packaging. They were so tiny! The company accused him of stealing it but he denied it, off course. Then the company said they will deduct his pay in 6 staggered deductions. He got angry and didn't turn up for work the next day out of resent. The company's officials came to the house to asked him back to work but he refused to see him.

Now, he is just changing straps and selling cheap watches for a chain of watch stores located in a hypermart. Isn't that a waste over a small matter or ego and pride. hmm.gif

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I think in this case your bro in law stood up for his principles.. being accused of theft is no small thing... it probably was an affront to his dignity his integrity and probably his own values as a person... if he went back to work, the shadow of being a thief would hang over him.. next time anything went missing, he will probably be suspected again... sometimes your own dignity matters more than money... if the trust is not there it will be a very difficult working environment..
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ego....
not only because of ego, what i feel is i cant find my future in this company..

Thanks for your advice.

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my previous company.

there was 3 new person join in that month (i am new too, but they dont know that... haha act a bit like senior - as always)

anyway i am an IT support while they're in different department.

their work kind of stress them out plus cant get along with their colleague that well yet ... so what happen ? in first week they come punctual (we work 9am - 5:30pm) ... but starting the 2nd week they start to come late .... start to take MC ... start not coming without telling ... first the boss dont really notice (as he come late and left early) ... but over the time he start noticing lah ...

so when pay day .... boss instruct to block their gaji. i dont know how ... but its like the money is in the account but can't withdraw .. something like that.

this come as shock to me too! imagine the boss block my gaji ....

i dont take too long ... i resign 2 weeks later. (that was of the reason lah ... got few more why i left)

i think if you dont agree with how the company rules and how they handle it ... just quit. its not like you can go and instruct the boss to go with your way (lol!) unless you got union (which rarely do in small/medium company) but that too wont work out as you want either.

probation also means for you to evaluate the company not the company to evaluate you only.... you find it suitable, you stay, if not ... quick go for another interview.
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icon_rolleyes.gif  I think you should reconsider carefully. It is actually a matter of a small sum and your ego. Swallow your pride and it will all go away unless you are a habitual late comer. blush.gif  I don't know how long you have worked in this company and my guess is quite some time else you won't be feeling so disgruntled. Sometimes, I think it is just wise to work as much as expected and not more. I am always the kind that will go all out for a company without expecting anything more than my pay but bosses don't think like that. They are always harping for the profits. After an small incident, the boss kind of reprimanded me and this makes me so resentful. I was thinking to myself," After all the things that I did and never even calculated." I got more resentful and finally gave my resignation.

Just before the day came, my boss had another talk with me and asked me to stay on, sorta giving in but with pride. I held on to my decision adamantly and said, " A man always meant what he says." Like the chinese saying, " Both are on stage and both don't know how to get off the stage without compromising our own egos." In the end the restaurant lost a good chef and I lost a good job. Both had regrets. cry.gif  I worked other places but never got the understanding of a good boss and he hired others but none were to his expectations. It is the extras that we put in in goodwill that matters here, to us workers. For a boss, the more they can get out of their workers the better. That's why the resentful feelings. rclxub.gif

Another example is my brother in-law. He didn't even pass his SPM, He got a job at Woo Hing as sales assistant. Month by month, year by year, he started repairing high end watches and finally he can service and repair Rolexes, APs etc. Bvlgari offered him a job and he took it at a higher salary. Bvlgari even sent him twice to Switzerland for courses and updating workshops seminars. One day a package came and in it was a few spares but a few winding knobs were thrown away together with the packaging. They were so tiny! The company accused him of stealing it but he denied it, off course. Then the company said they will deduct his pay in 6 staggered deductions. He got angry and didn't turn up for work the next day out of resent. The company's officials came to the house to asked him back to work but he refused to see him.

Now, he is just changing straps and selling cheap watches for a chain of watch stores located in a hypermart. Isn't that a waste over a small matter or ego and pride. hmm.gif

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i think for this case, ur brother in-law. If he really not doing it, he can take this case to Malaysia Labor and they will help u handle this case by pass them to police investigation. Such company can fix rolex and others will be quite well know company, they will not prefer case like this being raise up, this will spoiled their image and reputation. But for your brother in law, there nothing to lose. For me, if u not doing it then don't admit it and stand still. We also have the right of the employee.

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quit ler...but i can tell u dat even some co will lure u with flexi hour during interview but crash ur balls when ur late 2 work. so its kinda hard for us employees


Added on March 31, 2011, 12:25 pmn 1 more thing, those co in US with small number of staff can make ALOT more moneh than BIG co in msia bcoz their mindset is diff. they come 2 work n generate income for them n co, they see co as partnership even they r just employees n guess wut again, they got flexihours, oni punctual for meeting n meeting client. in msia, boss still wanna instill drone-like mentality in d staff

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quit ler...but i can tell u dat even some co will lure u with flexi hour during interview but crash ur balls when ur late 2 work. so its kinda hard for us employees


Added on March 31, 2011, 12:25 pmn 1 more thing, those co in US with small number of staff can make ALOT more moneh than BIG co in msia bcoz their mindset is diff. they come 2 work n generate income for them n co, they see co as partnership even they r just employees n guess wut again, they got flexihours, oni punctual for meeting n meeting client. in msia, boss still wanna instill drone-like mentality in d staff
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alot of us co is doin dis. y? cost cutting ler. some us co dont outsource their call centre, so they redirect the customer calls to the employees hp, n d employees laptop can connect 2 co server. so basically employee work anywhere dat has internet conection nd co save cost on renting bigger office lot n hvac n other overhead. over here, things r stil cheap compare to western country
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most job in malaysia just want u to sit in that big n glamourous office and do jobs that u can actually do from home.
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IF the company policy or your employment offer letter didn't spell out cleary that your salary will be cut if you are late for work, you can approach the labour office to initiate an Industrial Relation (IR) case with your company. If your company is found to violate the company policy or your employment contract, they will have to return you the money the deducted TOGETHER with INTEREST.
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dude, most companies are like that. but it us who make our work life balance. so accept the fact that came in late will have punishment. just that whether the punishment is fair or not. in your situation, it is totally unfair. this is lesson without teaching. come to work on time is like a promise made between employee & employer. if you have a maid who is always late that it affected you, no matter how good the maid does the job, still it is a reason for you to cut the maid's pay. so be on time. or else, start a new business / work from home. and then you hire me. nod.gif

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icon_rolleyes.gif I think you should reconsider carefully. It is actually a matter of a small sum and your ego. Swallow your pride and it will all go away unless you are a habitual late comer. blush.gif I don't know how long you have worked in this company and my guess is quite some time else you won't be feeling so disgruntled. Sometimes, I think it is just wise to work as much as expected and not more. I am always the kind that will go all out for a company without expecting anything more than my pay but bosses don't think like that. They are always harping for the profits. After an small incident, the boss kind of reprimanded me and this makes me so resentful. I was thinking to myself," After all the things that I did and never even calculated." I got more resentful and finally gave my resignation.

Just before the day came, my boss had another talk with me and asked me to stay on, sorta giving in but with pride. I held on to my decision adamantly and said, " A man always meant what he says." Like the chinese saying, " Both are on stage and both don't know how to get off the stage without compromising our own egos." In the end the restaurant lost a good chef and I lost a good job. Both had regrets. cry.gif I worked other places but never got the understanding of a good boss and he hired others but none were to his expectations. It is the extras that we put in in goodwill that matters here, to us workers. For a boss, the more they can get out of their workers the better. That's why the resentful feelings. rclxub.gif

Another example is my brother in-law. He didn't even pass his SPM, He got a job at Woo Hing as sales assistant. Month by month, year by year, he started repairing high end watches and finally he can service and repair Rolexes, APs etc. Bvlgari offered him a job and he took it at a higher salary. Bvlgari even sent him twice to Switzerland for courses and updating workshops seminars. One day a package came and in it was a few spares but a few winding knobs were thrown away together with the packaging. They were so tiny! The company accused him of stealing it but he denied it, off course. Then the company said they will deduct his pay in 6 staggered deductions. He got angry and didn't turn up for work the next day out of resent. The company's officials came to the house to asked him back to work but he refused to see him.

Now, he is just changing straps and selling cheap watches for a chain of watch stores located in a hypermart. Isn't that a waste over a small matter or ego and pride. hmm.gif

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man , i notworthy.gif your brother. ego is one thing, stand up for yourself is another. your bro did the right thing that other might not do today. tell him that he should not regret his decision but of course, ask him to go for another job, since he has been sent to training oversea, so should have certs at least.. he gonna make it somehow.

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i also salute your brother-in-law. He has stood up for his own integrity. Integrity and honesty is very important.
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This will not happen in malaysia because of our mentality. Will you do your work if you really can work from home?? The boss/business owners have seen too much fraud to allow this practice in malaysia eg. false mc, false claim of millage and etc...
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felizstyle, I agree that if you are really unhappy with the policies and everything in the company, you should change job. Just be aware that there are many many companies out there that practice the same type of rules. wink.gif
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This will not happen in malaysia because of our mentality. Will you do your work if you really can work from home?? The boss/business owners have seen too much fraud to allow this practice in malaysia eg. false mc, false claim of millage and etc...
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this is sooo diff frm fake mc, fake claim of mileage. whether work from home or office, at d end of the day, we still can see wut has been done
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dis is better ler... my company i working with now got 1 guy late 1 time for 5 min only... den when during the performance evaluation the manager said he always late... (dunno kena backstab or wat)... the manager dismiss him... so innocent...
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Actually most MNC does deduct yr salary for being late as well. All the big names that I know that are currently prctising that include Honda, JVC, Panasonic, Sony etc and almost all of the manufacturing co even US based ones. The way they do it is by punchcard. So even if yr late 1 min, yr salary will be deducted. Deducted by how much i dunno. So you just have to accept it. Come in early. Else join marketing/sales. Sometimes they don't need to come into office at all


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dude, most companies are like that. but it us who make our work life balance. so accept the fact that came in late will have punishment. just that whether the punishment is fair or not. in your situation, it is totally unfair. this is lesson without teaching. come to work on time is like a promise made between employee & employer. if you have a maid who is always late that it affected you, no matter how good the maid does the job, still it is a reason for you to cut the maid's pay. so be on time. or else, start a new business / work from home. and then you hire me. nod.gif
icon_rolleyes.gif I think you should reconsider carefully. It is actually a matter of a small sum and your ego. Swallow your pride and it will all go away unless you are a habitual late comer. blush.gif I don't know how long you have worked in this company and my guess is quite some time else you won't be feeling so disgruntled. Sometimes, I think it is just wise to work as much as expected and not more. I am always the kind that will go all out for a company without expecting anything more than my pay but bosses don't think like that. They are always harping for the profits. After an small incident, the boss kind of reprimanded me and this makes me so resentful. I was thinking to myself," After all the things that I did and never even calculated." I got more resentful and finally gave my resignation.

Just before the day came, my boss had another talk with me and asked me to stay on, sorta giving in but with pride. I held on to my decision adamantly and said, " A man always meant what he says." Like the chinese saying, " Both are on stage and both don't know how to get off the stage without compromising our own egos." In the end the restaurant lost a good chef and I lost a good job. Both had regrets. cry.gif I worked other places but never got the understanding of a good boss and he hired others but none were to his expectations. It is the extras that we put in in goodwill that matters here, to us workers. For a boss, the more they can get out of their workers the better. That's why the resentful feelings. rclxub.gif

Another example is my brother in-law. He didn't even pass his SPM, He got a job at Woo Hing as sales assistant. Month by month, year by year, he started repairing high end watches and finally he can service and repair Rolexes, APs etc. Bvlgari offered him a job and he took it at a higher salary. Bvlgari even sent him twice to Switzerland for courses and updating workshops seminars. One day a package came and in it was a few spares but a few winding knobs were thrown away together with the packaging. They were so tiny! The company accused him of stealing it but he denied it, off course. Then the company said they will deduct his pay in 6 staggered deductions. He got angry and didn't turn up for work the next day out of resent. The company's officials came to the house to asked him back to work but he refused to see him.

Now, he is just changing straps and selling cheap watches for a chain of watch stores located in a hypermart. Isn't that a waste over a small matter or ego and pride. hmm.gif

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Actually after reading yr story it does make sense. Sometime we let our pride get in our way. To put it cruelly our balls are blocking our view of the big picture. Fully agree with you as the same thing happened to me. What a waste


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This will not happen in malaysia because of our mentality. Will you do your work if you really can work from home?? The boss/business owners have seen too much fraud to allow this practice in malaysia eg. false mc, false claim of millage and etc...
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I know I can.

but i dunno what other people think...


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felizstyle, I agree that if you are really unhappy with the policies and everything in the company, you should change job. Just be aware that there are many many companies out there that practice the same type of rules.  wink.gif
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ya ya, same type of rules, but at least the pay will be higher and also working hours a bit normal.


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dis is better ler... my company i working with now got 1 guy late 1 time for 5 min only... den when during the performance evaluation the manager said he always late... (dunno kena backstab or wat)... the manager dismiss him... so innocent...
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ya...my friend also. he did nothing wrong but the manager back stab him just because he dun like him.

everyone gives him high ranking, except that manager

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Instead of blaming your boss and company which you can't change, try to change yourself first.
In the first place, why were you late? Is it reasonable for an employee to be late? If you are late due to traffic jams, then plan your journey earlier. Stop giving excuses and blaming the boss for deducting your salary. Take the blame!
If you change job and continue with being late, it is only a matter of time before your new employer would also deduct your salary. And then what? Are you going to search for a new job again?

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Instead of blaming your boss and company which you can't change, try to change yourself first.
In the first place, why were you late? Is it reasonable for an employee to be late? If you are late due to traffic jams, then plan your journey earlier. Stop giving excuses and blaming the boss for deducting your salary. Take the blame!
If you change job and continue with being late, it is only a matter of time before your new employer would also deduct your salary. And then what? Are you going to search for a new job again?
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hey man or woman ! this is the last time i explain this..

actually the boss said we can be late, but then she suddenly tell different story!

this is her fault as she does not keep to what she said.

if you don't know the story well, pls dun just simply said and blame...

now..she does not mention about it anymore. I guess she ady know people are dissatisfied..

i will not be late to work...i have worked in several places, even though i don't think being on time to work is that important, but i still follow the rules.

and finally, the reason that i change job is not because of this, it is because i cant find my future here.




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QUOTE(felizstyle @ May 10 2011, 02:44 PM)
hey man or woman ! this is the last time i explain this..

actually the boss said we can be late, but then she suddenly tell different story!

this is her fault as she does not keep to what she said.

if you don't know the story well, pls dun just simply said and blame...

now..she does not mention about it anymore.  I guess she ady know people are dissatisfied..

i will not be late to work...i have worked in several places, even though i don't think being on time to work is that important, but i still follow the rules.

and finally, the reason that i change job is not because of this, it is because i cant find my future here.
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U should not be late in the first place right?

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Everytime i read any stories happened in Chinaman companies, I will think of my ex-company. A nightmare to me indeed....
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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ May 10 2011, 02:52 PM)
U should not be late in the first place right?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 10 2011, 04:11 PM)
I would said both parties also wrong. Can't blame only TS alone.
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I think the boss only want to make it a deterrent punishment and it hurts the most by attacking the monetary part.

And no one likes being fined... tongue.gif

So, be punctual... i think it's one of the virtues if you can be punctual. Whether the worker stay back to work extra hours or not, punctuality is still important.

I remember my previous company, the HOD comes in at 11am, the staff in the dept comes in earlier than 11am is still considered OK, while work starts at 830am.

We had to wait for certain urgent things while they took their own sweet time to come to work... doh.gif


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Again, I would still say there should be fair and just. If the employee can be punctual or even come 5 minutes earlier, then can he leave the office 5 minutes earlier? Cannot, right? Unless you expect the employee to stand at the office door gate until 9am sharp then only step in. But if the boss wants to count like that, life will be very miserable.

If the employee can finish the work on time, then why bother about the late or punctual of merely 5 minutes?
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 10 2011, 04:30 PM)
Again, I would still say there should be fair and just. If the employee can be punctual or even come 5 minutes earlier, then can he leave the office 5 minutes earlier? Cannot, right? Unless you expect the employee to stand at the office door gate until 9am sharp then only step in. But if the boss wants to count like that, life will be very miserable.

If the employee can finish the work on time, then why bother about the late or punctual of merely 5 minutes?

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Work in office is not like do homework... Finish 1 chapter can consider finish.... laugh.gif

Work is a continuous process, and if the employee is paid to work from 9am to 5pm, then at least work the full 9am to 5pm. Start 9am sharp & leave at 5pm sharp, I'm ok.

In a teamwork, if a person comes late, and the team cant get things done coz 1 person is not there, then it waste the time of everybody.
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after jap comp. change LCLY MD ,

even 1 minute oso consider late , every 1 need to write name n signature , who top late pblish in every1 email late ,

most greatest , after a few month , they threaten to sack u ...
many scared lo , so punctual even late kaki oso same , but i got a better job d hehe 4th.

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QUOTE(furryfluffy @ May 10 2011, 05:25 PM)
Work in office is not like do homework... Finish 1 chapter can consider finish.... laugh.gif

Work is a continuous process, and if the employee is paid to work from 9am to 5pm, then at least work the full 9am to 5pm. Start 9am sharp & leave at 5pm sharp, I'm ok.

In a teamwork, if a person comes late, and the team cant get things done coz 1 person is not there, then it waste the time of everybody.
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So in case the work is not done yet but one person needs to leave on the dot, then how? Must follow the majority and stay back?
No way to me... tongue.gif
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It's very amusing how often topics like these crop up. People complaining about how the company doesn't do things that they like/approve of. You must have heard of the concept of organisational fit, right? If you do not fit the orgn and its culture, you change or you leave. Simple as that. As an employee and if your company/boss is not doing anything illegal, your only bargaining chip is your willingness to walk away.

Talking about your company/boss being wrong/bad/incompetent, how they should do what you think they should be doing, how you fight or change the company/boss - that's just a waste of time and simply ignores the golden rule of working life. What's the golden rule? He who holds the gold, makes the rules. You want your life and work to be different? Become the guy who holds the gold. Then you can make the rules.

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Yep. walk away to somewhere who tolerates you for being always late. i am sure lots of places out there dont care about your attendance.
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 10 2011, 07:20 PM)
So in case the work is not done yet but one person needs to leave on the dot, then how? Must follow the majority and stay back?
No way to me...  tongue.gif
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So u like to dictate your own working time.

Would you be late for appointment with clients?

QUOTE(seantang @ May 10 2011, 09:29 PM)
It's very amusing how often topics like these crop up. People complaining about how the company doesn't do things that they like/approve of. You must have heard of the concept of organisational fit, right? If you do not fit the orgn and its culture, you change or you leave. Simple as that. As an employee and if your company/boss is not doing anything illegal, your only bargaining chip is your willingness to walk away.

Talking about your company/boss being wrong/bad/incompetent, how they should do what you think they should be doing, how you fight or change the company/boss - that's just a waste of time and simply ignores the golden rule of working life. What's the golden rule? He who holds the gold, makes the rules. You want your life and work to be different? Become the guy who holds the gold. Then you can make the rules.
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A company culture tends to keep a certain traits of individuals that fit into its culture. If the employee doesn't fit in, the only way is to change, or to leave. Example:

1) Those who enjoy the slow-pace of working in gov dept moved to private sector would be shocked at how fast things move

2) Those who are very highly driven working in a slow-paced environment would die of frustration & boredom. laugh.gif

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That property agent is not team work, it is individual business, time is flexi, if I set the time for meeting appointment, of course i will be punctual. If the appointment ends early, I can leave early.

Company is different, if i finish work early, I can't leave early. If I reach early, i stay back = normal or hardworking, which is not fair.
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QUOTE(felizstyle @ Mar 24 2011, 05:49 AM)
Yesterday, the lady boss said they will deduct salary for those who always come late without any warning letter. Besides, their deduction is according to OT rate, that means has to x1.5 every hours. This company being really mean to their workers.

1. ) Is it legal for them to deduct our salaries without warning letter? (just oral warning, but some people don't hear about it). Even though we come in late, but we do work extra hours for them to reach 8.30 working hours. From what I know, they just choose certain people for deduction of salary, even though our supervisors situation worse, but no action against them. So unfair. we are coming late as our supervisors said we can, but Boss said cannot. We know this is our mistake, but they just takes action on people who r still in probation but not supervisors that has more serious late problem. This makes us feel total disagree!!!

2.) Is it the deduction is based on OT rate? For people who salary lower then 1500, their OT are gone.

3.) This company wants all their workers work on public holiday with replacement of 1 day leave. Is it legal? If not, what action we can take?

4.) Before, they r using 6 days work. Now, They r practicing 5 days work, that is from 5.30am till 3.00pm. It suppose to start on Friday, but they want us start before the date. That means we are working one extra day (Saturday), but no extra leave given. Are they doing right?
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5. ) Now, this company offer us to work one more day to do replacement for being late, and no salary will be deducted. Can they force their workers like that? Actually they just asking people who r still in probation to work extra day, but other workers are free of that. They are bullying new people and those who has resign.

6.) Actually i really love to report this matter to Malaysia Labor Department, but is it action will be taken? and is this matter will be concerned?
This chinaman company is being mean to their workers, one of our colleagues that work here for 3 years and will resign this month also deducted for being late. He always stay at this office till 12.am but the reward is salary deducted. Also, one of the norm ins chinaman company also exist in here, salary are extremely low. Salary for people who ady worked for 5 years is below RM3000....what!?!?unbelievable... That guy is supervisor and always OT for this company, but never appreciated. Lastly, this company turnover is extremely high...just like what i read in other thread in this forum, this is a typical chinaman company.  sad.gif  icon_question.gif
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Besides, they also disallow their workers to take half day leave which is against labor law again.
I am here to ask for solution, whether i can report this matter to government or not.. Because i afraid even after i report, no actions will be taken.
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What i can said... if you feel unfair to you... just look for another job.
Some of your boss lady do is still consider legal eventhrough is unfair to u...
Normally replacement given is legal in labour law...

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ May 11 2011, 09:50 AM)
That property agent is not team work, it is individual business, time is flexi, if I set the time for meeting appointment, of course i will be punctual. If the appointment ends early, I can leave early.

Company is different, if i finish work early, I can't leave early. If I reach early, i stay back = normal or hardworking, which is not fair.

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This leads to the discussion here: Stay Back Culture

You are basically trading ur 9-5 for your salary and bound by that when u are under employment.

Like it or not, be punctual, do ur job and leave on time. That is the least u can do.

Whether the job require you to stay back or not, that is up to you. Some companies dun care, some see that as ur extra effort. It depends on the company's culture. Dun like the culture, walk away.

If u know u cant commit to 9-5, then find a job that suits u.smile.gif
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