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 Mechanical Keyboard Club V2, For Gamers and Typist Enthusiasts

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post Mar 20 2011, 07:01 PM, updated 15y ago

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W00t!! Mechanical Keyboard Club v2! rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif
Special Thanks and Credits To Moogle Stilzkin for Creating The Mechanical Keyboard Club.

First Thread V1:
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Anyone that wished to learn about Mechanical Keyboard can head over to The Ultimate Mechanical Keyboard Guide


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Note : All Credits(Everything Including Picture) In This Part Belongs To List Of Users On Below
Credit:
Original Guide Created by Manyak on OCN
Frequent Update on Original Guide by Tator Tot on OCN
Alps Section thanks to ch_123 on OCN
Pictures of Switches in action are thanks to Lethal Squirrel on Geekhack
Pictures of Keycaps thanks to Ripster on OCN & Geekhack
Source : http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/491752-mechanical-keyboard-guide.html

Some of you guys might interested to know what's the difference between a membrane keyboard and a mechanical keyboard, well, the most important part that is easily noticeable would be the key switch. I'll provide some Image for better explanation, since they are better and easier to understand.

Membrane Keyboard Switches(Information taken from Wikipedia Membrane Keyboard)
Mostly Consist of 2 Types, One Rubber Dome And the other Scissor Switch.
Dome-switch
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    Dome switch keyboards are a hybrid of flat-panel membrane and mechanical keyboards. They bring two circuit board traces together under a rubber or silicone keypad using either metal "dome" switches or polyester formed domes. The metal dome switches are formed pieces of stainless steel that, when compressed, give the user a crisp, positive tactile feedback. These metal types of dome switches are very common, are usually reliable to over 5 million cycles, and can be plated in either nickel, silver or gold. The rubber dome switches, most commonly referred to as polydomes, are formed polyester domes where the inside bubble is coated in graphite. While polydomes are typically cheaper than metal domes, they lack the crisp snap of the metal domes, and usually have a lower life specification. Polydomes are considered very quiet, but purists tend to find them "mushy" because the collapsing dome does not provide as much positive response as metal domes. For either metal or polydomes, when a key is pressed, it collapses the dome, which connects the two circuit traces and completes the connection to enter the character. The pattern on the PC board is often gold-plated.


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Dome-switch in Action
    Both are common switch technologies used in mass market keyboards today. This type of switch technology happens to be most commonly used in handheld controllers, mobile phones, automotive, consumer electronics and medical devices. Dome switch keyboards are also called direct-switch keyboards.


Scissor-switch
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    A special case of the computer keyboard dome-switch is the scissor-switch. The keys are attached to the keyboard via two plastic pieces that interlock in a "scissor"-like fashion, and snap to the keyboard and the key. It still uses rubber domes, but a special plastic 'scissors' mechanism links the keycap to a plunger that depresses the rubber dome with a much shorter travel than the typical rubber dome keyboard. Typically scissor-switch keyboards also employ 3-layer membranes as the electrical component of the switch. These stabilizing scissor-like devices extend the lifespan of the membrane to as much as 10 million keystrokes. They also usually have a shorter total key travel distance (2 mm instead of 3.5 – 4 mm for standard dome-switch keyswitches). This type of keyswitch is often found on the built-in keyboards on laptops and keyboards marketed as 'low-profile'. These keyboards are generally quiet and the keys require little force to press.


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Scissor-switch in Action
    Scissor-switch keyboards are typically slightly more expensive. They are harder to clean (due to the limited movement of the keys and their multiple attachment points) but also less likely to get debris in them as the gaps between the keys are often less (as there is no need for extra room to allow for the 'wiggle' in the key as you would find on a membrane keyboard).



Mechanical Keyboard Switches
Introduction - A Switch is Not "Just a Switch"
    Many people ask for recommendations about switches without knowing exactly what they are looking for, but instead only with an idea of what their needs are. Fortunately, this is not always a problem because most mechanical switches will always feel nicer than rubber domes. However, the final choice is very important because a switch is not just a switch; it is the heart of what makes your keyboard have its feel and your personal tastes can make or break a keyboard for your uses. If you don't like the switch when you type on it, most likely, you won't ever like the keyboard.

    Switches are generally rated by force using the weight measurement of Grams (g). Although force is more accurately described using Centinewtons (cN) However, 1g of weight applies about 1cN of downward force, so we can use "55g" when describing a 55cN-rated switch because that is sometimes easier to understand. For this fact; we'll use Grams as a measurement of force; though either term is correct.
Cherry MX Black Switches
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Type: Linear Switch
Link: Datasheet
Tactile: No
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 60g (40g-80g overall) (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
    Cherry MX-Black switches are linear (non-tactile) switches, these are considered one of the best switch types for gaming. When gaming, having a tactile bump does absolutely nothing because you're going to be bottoming out anyway. So these give you a very smooth feel. The actuation and release points are at the exact same position as well. So games that require a lot of double tapping become easier than on any other keyswitch. However, most people don't enjoy typing on them that much do in part, to their linear nature.
    If you're a person who tends to hit a wrong key every so often while gaming, these will be beneficial in that the high actuation force will help prevent many of those accidental presses.
Cherry MX Brown Switches
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Type: Tactile Switch
Link: DataSheet
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 45g (55g Peak Force) (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
    Cherry MX Brown switches are considered a middle ground between typing and "gaming" switches. They have a light, tactile feel half way through the key press that lets you know the switch has activated. This gives you an indication of what you can release the switch. The switch is considered a middle ground because the reset point & actuation point are close enough together than you can "float" at that point, enabling you to double tap faster.

    As a note: this switch actually has a peak force of 55G, it is 45G at the point of actuation. This is due to the design of the Cherry switch itself.

Cherry MX Blue Switches
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Type: Tactile & Clicky Switch
Link: DataSheet
Tactile: Yes, precise
Clicky: Yes
Actuation Force: 50g (60g Peak Force) (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
    Cherry MX Blue switches are the best cherry switch for typing. The tactile bump can easily be felt, and the resistance is similar to your average keyboard.

    Although many people find them just fine for gaming, some don't like the fact that the release point is above the actuation point. This can cause some trouble with double-tapping. This is usually the case with someone who has experienced other mechanical switches before hand.

    As a note: this switch actually has a peak force of 60g, it is 50g at the point of actuation. This is due to the design of the Cherry switch itself.

Cherry MX Clear Switches
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Type: Tactile Switch
Link: DataSheet
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 55g (65G peak force) (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
    Cherry MX Clear switches have often been called "stiffer browns" though some users note that they have more of a tactile feel than browns do. This really can be a subjective topic, though this is another switch that could be considered "ballanced." The force required is comparable to most rubber dome keyboards, with a nice tactile feedback to tell you the key has actuated. These switches are harder to find on keyboards.

    As a note: this switch actually has a peak force of 65g, it is 55g at the point of actuation. This is due to the design of the Cherry switch itself.

Cherry MX Red Switches
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Type: Linear Switch
Link: DataSheet
Tactile: No
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 45g (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 2mm to actuation, 4mm to bottom
    Cherry MX-Red's are another switch that can be considered a "gaming" switch. It's essentially a lighter version of the MX Black, requiring less force to actuate. Most people do not find this switch that good for typing or gaming because it is so light. This switch is hard to find; and was reported as obsolete. Though some board makers still use it for Special Edition keyboards.

Buckling Spring Keyswitches
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Type: Tactile & Clicky Mechanical Switch
Link: Patent
Tactile: Yes, very precise
Clicky: Yes, loud
Actuation Force: 65g-70g (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 2.3mm to actuation, 3.7mm to bottom
    Buckling springs are pretty straightforward once you see them in action. After pushing the key down a certain distance the spring buckles under pressure, causing the hammer at the bottom to hit a membrane sheet and create an electrical contact. The buckling of the spring also provides tactile feedback and a satisfying click as it hits the shaft wall. And you might also notice through the force diagrams that this is the only mechanical switch where the tactile and audible feedback correspond to the exact moment the switch actuates.

Black Alps
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Type: Tactile Mechanical Switch
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: Simplified 60g, Complicated 70g (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 3.5mm
    Black Alps are one of the two most common Alps switch types. Many people do not like these switches due to the fact that they are stiff, bottom out hard, and tend to develop friction in the travel as they wear. Nonetheless, they are an improvement over most rubber dome keyboards.

    There are two different types of Black Alps switch - an older type known as the "Complicated" due to the large number of parts in the switch, and a newer type known as the "Simplified", which was manufactured by Alps and some other companies. Complicated switches are common in many older keyboards, particularly the Dell AT101W, which is a very common mechanical keyboard from the 1990s.

    The most well known Simplified Black switch is made by a company called Fukka, and was used in the ABS M1. The Fukka switch has less resistance, but many claim that it provides less solid tactility than the complicated switch.

White Alps
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Type: Clicky & Tactile Mechanical Switch
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: Yes
Actuation Force: 60g-70g (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 3.5mm
    White Alps are one of the most most common Alps switch types. These are far more popular than the Black switches due to more pronounced tactility, and the lower force requirements of some versions. Like the Black Alps, White Alps are much easier to bottom out on compared with other mechanical keyswitch designs.

    As with the Black switch. there are Complicated and Simplified White switches. The two most popular Simplified White switches are the Fukka and the XM. The XM is almost universally considered to be a terrible switch, it was used on some older Filco Zero models, and some vintage keyboards. The Fukka switch is quite popular, and some people prefer them over the Complicated switch. It is used on some current production Alps keyboards such as current production Filco Zeros, Matias keyboards and some others. Complicated White switches were used on some well made keyboards from the 90s such as the Northgate and Focus keyboards.

    There are also a variety of White Alps-like switches of varying quality. Some, like the SMK Monterey, are considered very pleasant to type on..

Topre Key Switches
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Type: Tactile Capacitive Switch
Link: Patent
Tactile: Yes
Clicky: No
Actuation Force: 30g, 35g, 45g, 55g depending on model (Force Diagram)
Key Travel: 4mm
    Topre switches are somewhat of a hybrid switch, and are capacitive by nature. The Topre mechanism uses a spring underneath a rubber dome, and the depression of the spring causes a change in capacitance between the underlying capacitor pads. With this change in capacitance; the switch activates.

    Topre Switches are considered some of the finest switches available, as they offer a very enjoyable typing experience with a quieter experience compared to a Cherry MX, Alps, or Buckling Spring switch. The reason is Topre switches have the smoothest force gradient even compared to Linear switches like MX-Reds and MX-Blacks.



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List Lowyat mechanical keyboard users:(listed by name followed by what keyboard brand/model they have) Credits To Moogle Stiltzkin For Creating the List.

ABS
  1. OCN_fssbzz - ABS M1 (black ALPS)
ACER
  1. Cyclonechuah - ACER 6311-HU (ALPS switch)
Cherry
  1. THEswordmaster - Cherry G80-3494 Lycus-2 Black (Cherry mx red)
  2. OCN_fssbzz - Cherry G80-3494 Lycus-2 (Cherry mx red)
  3. Squarebox - Cherry G80-3494 Lycus-2 (Cherry mx red with White Rice's geekhack custom made doubleshot abs 108 key cap set installed )
  4. Moogle Stiltzkin - Cherry G80-1295 HAU NKRO (Cherry mx black, very rare vintage keyboard)
Das
  1. alvin8866 - Das Ultimate
  2. OCN_fssbzz - DAS Silent Model S
  3. SSJBen - Das Model S Professional
  4. ganstream1 - Das Model S Professional
Deck Legend
Ducky
  1. Moogle Stiltzkin - Ducky DK-9008 laser etched PBT keycaps (Cherry Mx brown)
  2. Moogle Stiltzkin - Ducky DK-9008 Tiger Limited Edition (Cherry mx Brown, with a Cherry mx Clear spacebar)
  3. Cyclonechuah - Ducky DK-9008 Black On Black silkscreen abs keycaps (Cherry MX Black)
  4. OCN_fssbzz - Ducky DK-1087 (Cherry Mx brown)
  5. OCN_fssbzz - Ducky DK-9008 Special Edition Mix (black,blue,brown Cherry mx switches)
  6. cusx - Ducky DK-9008 (Cherry Mx brown)
  7. micdy - Ducky DK-9008 PBT laser etched key caps (Mixed black, blue and brown Cherry Mx switches)
  8. Squarebox - Ducky DK-9008 abs black on black (Cherry Mx blue)
  9. Sky.Live - Ducky DK-9008 ( Cherry Mx brown )
  10. Kepala Botak - Ducky DK-9008 ( Cherry Mx brown With PBT Keycaps )
  11. Xcen - Ducky DK-9008 (Cherry MX Blue with ABS blank caps.)
  12. VampHexia - Ducky DK-9008 ( Cherry Mx brown )
  13. ravewar - Ducky DK-1008L ( Cherry Mx brown )
  14. rockccf - Ducky DK-9008 ( Cherry Mx blue )
  15. angelofro - Ducky DK-9008 Tiger Limited Edition (Cherry mx Black)
  16. skincladalien - Ducky DK-1008 ( Cherry Mx Brown )
  17. kaiserreich - Ducky DK-9008 ( Cherry Mx Brown with ABS Blanks )
  18. larnelle - Ducky DK-9000 ( Cherry Mx Brown )
Filco
  1. alvin8866 - Filco Majestouch (Cherry Mx blue, with blank keys)
  2. Squarebox - Filco Majestouch "Otaku" (Cherry Mx Brown)
  3. willaw - Filco Zero (Fukkas switches).
  4. Evo Fantasy - Filco Majestouch non-nkro (Cherry MX Brown)
  5. lew999999 - Filco Majestouch NKRO (Cherry MX Blue)
  6. zandara - Filco Majestouch NKRO (Cherry MX Brown)
  7. BlueBerry~ - Majestouch Linear R Limited Edition (Cherry MX Red)
  8. Slythape - Majestouch 2 NKRO (Cherry MX Blue)
  9. kEazYc - Majestouch AI FKBN104M-AI Blue (Cherry MX Brown)
Gigabyte
  1. Ic3pRInc3sSsIcA - GK-K8000 (Cherry Mx black)
HHKB
  1. alvin8866 - Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2 (HHKB)
  2. PeaceCraft1989 - Happy Hacking Keyboard Professional 2 (HHKB)
  3. [Top-Gun] - HHKB
IBM
  1. willaw - IBM Model M (1988) (Buckling springs)
  2. Kaiserreich - IBM Model M 59G7980 'Lexmark' (1993) (Buckling spring)
IONE
  1. snipaboy - IONE Scorpius M10
Leopold
  1. Cyclonechuah - Leopold FC200R Tenkeyless
  2. Cyclonechuah - Leopold FC500R (Cherry MX Red)
Noppoo
  1. lucidlts - Noppoo Choc Mini
PLU
  1. lucidlts - PLU ML-G2000
  2. lucidlts - PLU ML-G3000 NKRO Edition
  3. mikaelr - PLU ML-G2000 (Cherry MX Brown)
  4. low yat 82 - PLU ML-87
Razer
  1. sai86 - Black Widow Expert (Cherry Mx blue)
  2. blacktrix - Black Widow Ultimate (Cherry Mx blue)
  3. phantomash - Black Widow Ultimate (Cherry Mx blue)
  4. raynmay - Black Widow Ultimate (Cherry Mx blue)
  5. boiboi95 - Black Widow Ultimate (Cherry Mx blue)
  6. BlueBerry~ - Black Widow Ultimate (Cherry Mx blue)
  7. zandara - Black Widow Ultimate (Cherry Mx blue)
  8. davidlian - Black Widow Ultimate (Cherry Mx blue)
  9. axn992 - Black Widow Expert (Cherry Mx blue)
  10. Mr.Botz - Black Widow Ultimate (Cherry Mx blue)
  11. j.sun - Black Widow Ultimate (Cherry Mx blue)
Rosewill
  1. OCN_fssbzz - Rosewill RK9000
Steel Series
  1. BlueBerry~ - SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Mx black)
  2. AlexLai - SteelSeries 6Gv2 (Cherry Mx black)
  3. N1ck - SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Mx black)
  4. shawnlut - SteelSeries 6Gv2 (Cherry Mx black)
  5. victor2212 - SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Mx black)
  6. warlove3 - SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Mx black)
  7. aegis` - SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Mx black)
  8. Calvin Seak - SteelSeries 6Gv2 (Cherry Mx black)
  9. jay - SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Mx black)
  10. Cyclonechuah - SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Mx black)
  11. StratOS - SteelSeries 7G (Cherry Mx black)
  12. OCN_fssbzz - Steelseries 6Gv2 (Cherry Mx black)
  13. lucidlts - Steelseries 6Gv2 (Cherry Mx black)
  14. lucidlts - Steelseries 7G (Cherry Mx black)
  15. Squarebox - Steelseries 6Gv2 (Cherry Mx black)
  16. angelofro - Steelseries 6Gv2 Modded (Cherry Mx black + Brown + Clear + Red)
  17. rockccf - Steelseries 6Gv2 (Cherry Mx black)
Topre
Unicomp
  1. willaw - Unicomp SpaceSaver
ZOWIE
  1. BlueBerry~ - ZOWIE CELERITAS (Cherry MX Brown)


This post has been edited by Cyclonechuah: May 25 2011, 09:03 PM
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post Mar 20 2011, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Mar 20 2011, 07:07 PM)
Great, new v2 thread

Anyways, i wanted to ask as towards the end of the V1, how do you guys with multiple keyboards manage the use? Do you sayang one keyboard more than another one?
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Errr, i mainly each keyboard roughly about 3 month above to understand the quality of the keyboard. But i some how dump my 7G in corner and using Leopold and Ducky, one on bed, another one full keyboard on table LOL.


QUOTE(lucidlts @ Mar 20 2011, 07:11 PM)
@Cyclonechuah
oh ye, just about to create a new thread for V2 and i saw you already on the move.  Pls add a 7G & noppoo choc mini 84 to my list also tongue.gif
okay, please wait, i'm still currently adding more information in the 1st thread so new users can learn and understand them in a fast pace.

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phew... i just finished editing all the things and added to the 1st post, enjoy guys.

@lucidlts
i added you to the list. it's updated. tell me if the list got anything wrong. i'll update asap =D


Added on March 20, 2011, 8:21 pmAdded : i think i'll ask them about otaku version, since i'm thinking about getting one without font, looks more clean and good way to prevent people from using my keyboard.

This post has been edited by Cyclonechuah: Mar 20 2011, 08:21 PM
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post Mar 21 2011, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Botz @ Mar 20 2011, 10:39 PM)
Razer Blackwidow Ultimate user here  tongue.gif  just get it 2 days ago
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added. =D Welcome to the Mechanical Keyboard Forum.
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@ravewar, There's Leopold choice as well! spreading poison =D

Hmm, i wanted to collect some information here, Since the first batch Leopold Cherry MX 104 Key FC300R/500R will be mainly Focus Cherry MX Red Switch.

So... now i wanted to know how many of you prefer otaku version over normal version(otaku version means, all key will be blank without any lettering AKA Blank Key Cap)
You can even ask for the JP version.(but i doubt people are gonna get JP version thou =/)

So everyone will be happy to have a choice. Please tell me anything you want from this website and i'll try to bring in.(Must be Leopold Product Thou LOL)
http://www.leopold.co.kr/

But some people might be quite confuse why Leopold Keyboard has multiple versions like FC300R, FC500R, so i'll make some explaination here.
The model number has something to do with the layout.
FC300R = Korea Layout(Possible to only have English Lettering as well as Blank)
FC500R = US Layout(Possible to have Blank)

This post has been edited by Cyclonechuah: Mar 21 2011, 04:48 AM
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@zandara
Once i got a unit, i'll post a unboxing picture regarding of what will be included inside, since now i am not sure.

@xenodon
Noted, thanks. But currently for now, Tenkeyless version will be possibly unavailable, since Leopold are not happy with the quality that Taiwan Manufacturer provided(Datacomp), So now they are temporally stopping production of Tenkeyless model.

@Moogle Stiltzkin
Well, i Credited you for creating the awesome Keyboard User List!

[quote=ravewar,Mar 21 2011, 10:02 AM]
@cyclone,

@ravewar
Don't worry, it's under RM400, possibly, with freebies too.

@nncl
Those keycaps are Ducky Black on black Keycaps and White on white keycaps. So Leopold doesn't have them.
Currently my plan is getting a otaku version, and then purchase black on black PBT Keycaps 37 alphabet+Direction key from KBC Forum.(Should be under RM50)

@rockccf
Noted, thanks alot.


@BlueBerry~
Actually, my hand are very itcy on Filco Red and would wanted to try one as well. But the price are getting higher and higher. cry.gif cry.gif
RM660 For Filco Red..... gosh...

@lucidlts
i think he's ordering 100 unit of Cherry Switches, not Keyboard.
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 21 2011, 01:49 PM)
not to brag or anything, but should also credit me for creating the first mech club :{ before this not many people knew about it in the malaysian scene.
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Okay, adding the credits.
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QUOTE(KepalaRadio @ Mar 21 2011, 04:31 PM)
IMHO I think Moogle should be given more credit for his contributions to LYN's Mechanical Keyboard Club, after all, he DID create first thread, he DID introduce Mechanical Keyboards to majority of the LYN community and he DID provide majority of the overall information we have now (and he still does). So yeah, Moogle really deserves credit.
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For the sake of all, i'm not taking any credit myself, and also, not to cause any other misunderstanding. If i'm missing something, you guys can always remind me.

I'm creating this V2 Thread is because mods suddenly close the thread without reaching 2500 Post(althou it's already above 2400, should be close). There for, i'm just recreating a Thread so we all can join in the chat. And We doesn't even have time to ask who's gonna create the Thread back.

Sorry, but no offense here. Anything regarding to Credit, send me a pm, and i'll add you, anything missing? send me a PM, and i'll add again. We're not here to talk about who and who deserved more credit.

This post has been edited by Cyclonechuah: Mar 21 2011, 05:55 PM
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post Mar 22 2011, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Mar 21 2011, 07:26 PM)
My wallet just cried after it read this.
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Well, i heard Blank 104 Keycaps are included with the purchase of FC300R/FC500R in Korea.(It is possibly because of the sales promotion that they FOC Blank Keycaps. Limited In Korea)

QUOTE(andythung @ Mar 21 2011, 09:00 PM)
@cyclonechuah --- do u  MO of ordering KBC keycaps here ?
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Sorry, As for now i'm currently quite busy with the Leopold Keyboard Import, so KBC Keycaps have to wait.
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QUOTE(rockccf @ Mar 22 2011, 12:20 AM)
What's the 雷射雕刻鍵帽?

http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func...0X&ROWNO=4&tm=u

What is the difference between these two (in terms of keycaps)?

http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func...0X&ROWNO=3&tm=u

Which one is double shot?
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none of the above is double shot. those high cost Keycaps are consider quite rare and expensive.

The first link you given, if i'm not mistaken, it is Laser Etched + Pad Printed with Coating.

The second link is just Laser Etched,

QUOTE(Iphone4Lover @ Mar 22 2011, 01:25 AM)
BTW, to Cyclone,

I want to suggest that we compile in those offer of cheap 1st hand boards available that is below the RM200 benchmark even after postage at 1st post. It will sure promote more ppl to try it out instead on those RM500 filco... rolleyes.gif
Recommendation 1:(the legendary double shots keycaps and super compact footprint)
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8586204510

Recommendation 2:(full keyboard with 6KRO? thee box write NKRO...)
http://www.armygroup.com.tw/shop/goods.php?id=4707

If this success, we can post up a best buy section for it(include 2nd board) like GH there. icon_idea.gif
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Lol, you seems to crazy about that small size double shot keyboard xD

QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 22 2011, 10:51 AM)
i think also credit goes to Chuah for stream lining all this info to be easier to read.

He is better at summarizing than i am :}

so kudos for that.
PS: Chuah plz updated my Ducky to "Ducky Dk-9008 Tiger Limited Edition (Cherry mx Brown, with a Cherry mx Clear spacebar).
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Thanks, Updating the list.

QUOTE(BlueBerry~ @ Mar 22 2011, 12:21 PM)
Dammit. Wasnt at home when they sent the Filco Reds. Gotta wait until tomorrow now. !@#@!%@#$@#$
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Besure to post some picture and unboxing when it comes, i'm quite excited to see this sexy keyboard.

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QUOTE(angelofro @ Mar 22 2011, 02:25 PM)
@Cyclonechuah
when you will bulk the aluminium keycaps? biggrin.gif

kbc 白同刻or黑同刻 pbt keycaps price rmb150 and rmb 185, is it worth?
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still waiting for reply from that korean. might be long time thou.

because i might think about getting a sandblast unit before getting those metal key caps, if it shipped here, and i found some flaws, i'll sandblast them myself.


QUOTE(rockccf @ Mar 22 2011, 02:50 PM)
Hmm...With laser etched is better I guess?
Can those key caps last long (the letters wont be teared off easily, 'cause my hands are sweaty)?
BTW, the leopold red you bringing in is what kind of key cap?
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rockccf, i can't confirm which one last longer, because good quality pad printed sometimes can last longer than laser etch provided if pad printed have coating.

But if Laser etched has coating as well, then laser will last longer.(But the problem is, not many Laser Etched Key has coating)

So Laser Etched still last longer than pad printed. But Laser Etched tends to have one flaw, that is it will change it's white color a tiny little bit to yellow, because of your sweat and skin waste.

Leopold Red is Laser etched, i heard Leopold is developing new type of key caps, so i'm looking forward to it LOL.

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Okay, i take my words back, Key caps with coating doesn't last long NOW.
Reason is on this page.
Link : http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=15421

And btw, for people that worrying about Leopold Warranty issue, I provide warranty for it.

I bringing Leopold into Malaysia not as a Mass Order Organizer, but as a Distributor. =_=

QUOTE(angelofro @ Mar 22 2011, 03:13 PM)
but those aluminium keycaps got 4 type of them isnt?
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Yes, they have 4 types of them. currently now, i still waiting for answers from them.

QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Mar 22 2011, 03:10 PM)
Their prices look cheap.
I suspect Japan only shipping?
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if you're really interested in Filco, please wait until Edifier got them, and then wait for the price announcement for Filco product.

Edifier do provide warranty for them right ?

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QUOTE(Iphone4Lover @ Mar 22 2011, 04:08 PM)
The double shot isn't my main concern actually, the main reasons I like it because the incurve keycaps(wanna try if it feel as good or near as Logitech's one), something produced by UK company(wanna see if the QC is good), the layout and last but not the least, THE PRICE sweat.gif


Added on March 22, 2011, 4:11 pm
Filco is cheap at Japan, even the LEGENDARY TOPRE also much cheaper at Japan... sweat.gif
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Not, really unless the keyboard are in stock clearance state, then you'll see it sells cheaper.

if you see the retail price of the keyboard posted on their official website, you can noticed. and for Clevery Store, i know about them.

For HHKB, they have multiple versions and each version are kinda similar to each other you need to take a good look for notice the difference since the version have a big price difference.
Link: http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=210413&postcount=1
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Note that with the exchange rate a Topre 103U still runs around $225 US and Elitekeyboards sells it for $237 so don't expect dramatic price deals. This is true it seems for most electronics in Japan - you're going shopping more just to be able to try out in the store various keyboards all in one place.


you can see here, Ripster has traveled to japan Clevery store to look and brought keyboard.
here's a list of English Keyboard : http://www.clevery.co.jp/eshop/e/e2150200/

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Mar 22 2011, 07:31 PM)
For typing and gaming combination, generally recommended to go for MX brown switches.
DK9008s are a fine alternative to FILCOs
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From my point of view, after my experience with Ducky DK-9008, i personally felt Ducky is better then Filco, no offence to filco fan out there.

QUOTE(SgtPepper @ Mar 22 2011, 06:19 PM)
sup mech kb lovers. i'm new to this stuff and i'm planning on getting my 1st mech kb. when looking into steelseries, i found out that you guys keep discussing about leopold and filco. hmm.gif  so i was wondering if someone would tell me the price for cherry browns and reds for filco and leopold. i type alot and i play games of different genres, rts, fps, rpg etc. can u guys help me?  notworthy.gif
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Currently you need to wait, because the current price for Filco and Leopold is still not yet announce.

For Cherry MX Red,
You have few options.
1.Cherry 3494 Lycus-2, purchase from pchome.tw, import from taiwan.
2.Filco Majestouch Linear R Limited Edition FKBN104MR/EB2, Purchase from Edifier, Do be warned it's limited, Edifier manage to get 10 units only. once gone, it's gone, no more. price RM600+ per keyboard.
3.Leopold FC300R/FC500R Cherry MX Red(multiple options, you can choose to have black or brown or blue, not just red). Estimated Price RM300~400

QUOTE(Intelian @ Mar 22 2011, 07:31 PM)
After watching the GIF on page 1, i am conflicted between Brown and Red switches...

I cannot find Filco keyboards at global.pchome....

can anyone show me the link?

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you can find at lelong.com.my, it's available locally. but it's RM550 thou, alot people here suggest import from taiwan armygroup.com.tw which will be cheaper i think.


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QUOTE(SgtPepper @ Mar 22 2011, 08:44 PM)
at first i was interested in steelseries, i'm not really into razer products, if every1 knows what i mean. yeah i'm choosing between filco and leopold after finding out about this group. i've been following your discussions during v1, seems that these 2 brands are quite rare in msia. i have my options open, looks like leopold has caught my attention. is it coming anytime soon?
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It's Coming on April, but i apologize for unable to give you the exact date. will try to finish the job ASAP.

QUOTE(axn992 @ Mar 22 2011, 09:23 PM)
brown one price around 260?
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Yes, 3 switches are still the same price, there's no differents in price for blue brown and black.

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QUOTE(DaRKMiSt @ Mar 22 2011, 10:06 PM)
leopold korean brand?
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yes, Korea

QUOTE(BlueBerry~ @ Mar 22 2011, 10:11 PM)
Got my Filco Red. Gonna do unboxing and stuff later.
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OMG, I am so so so excited for you, please post some picture, or better VIDEO!

QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Mar 22 2011, 10:12 PM)
Do tell us if typing on it feels like typing on clouds of b00bies?  brows.gif
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Lol, i almost forgot that one. yeah do tell us rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(SgtPepper @ Mar 22 2011, 10:34 PM)
Looks like red switches are new to ppl here. still choosing between browns or reds.  smile.gif

@cyclonechuah you're bringing in reds. will there be any browns as well? i have no problem waiting for it.  rclxms.gif
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Yes, but as i said previously, the focus will be on red switches, so in the first batch, blue, brown, black will be limited.

QUOTE(zandara @ Mar 22 2011, 10:38 PM)
@Cyclone
Do add me in the list  Filco Majestouch NKRO Brown switch tongue.gif
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Okay, adding to the list, please wait.


QUOTE(BlueBerry~ @ Mar 22 2011, 10:45 PM)
Typing from the Filco Red at the moment. First thing I'm missing, the clicks on my BWU. Sobs. Seems pretty nice so far though. Uploading my unboxing video. Hehe.
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OMGG, can't wait for it tongue.gif

btw, i adding you to the list, what model is the filco red?
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QUOTE(BlueBerry~ @ Mar 22 2011, 10:50 PM)
Majesco Linear R Limited Edition. Thats what its being said on the box.
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i mean tenkeyless or not tenkeyless, ou wait, figured it's not tenkeyless


Added on March 22, 2011, 10:55 pmAdded : List Updated. please tell me if anything is missing.

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QUOTE(BlueBerry~ @ Mar 22 2011, 10:55 PM)
Unboxing video here. Not the best one. But it will suffice. I hope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H90TQXQG-mo
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hey, you use your hand to pull the key cap out with force? if you're doign that, i would suggest avoid doing it. mana tahu satu hari POP! whole cherry being pluck out.
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QUOTE(BlueBerry~ @ Mar 22 2011, 11:11 PM)
Done that a few times. And that was just to show you guys its a Red switch. I normally done.
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the correct way is to use the key cap puller, attach it under 2 corner of the key cap, and then slowly pull up by using increasing force, don't sekali gus UHHMPP!! pop keluar. i scare one day that will really happen. = =

Btw, currently if you still not yet know the proper to take keycaps off. i would suggest you avoid taking big key cap out, example of space, shift, enter. these key are very dangerous when pulling out.

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