yeah i agree on this. Ive seen that happens a lot for Man utd's youngsters. Players like Nani and Anderson when they first come in, play a lot better than their 2nd season for example. After that it takes time before both of them now gets to a consistent standard. Same happens to Macheda, Johnny Evans as well (who now is on the dip of form). Heck even Ronaldo who amazed ppl in his first few games, have to work a few more season before exploding into the international limelight.

Though im not saying Flanagan will drop off form after this, im just saying if players like Kelly, Spearing and Flanagan seems to drop form after their debut season, its a normal trend and given the right training and patience without fans wanting them out, then they will get back, or even surpass the performance they put in at this moment.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Apr 12 2011, 03:14 PM

u're right, its like a virus which is new to the body can be effective, before the body finds a way to neutralize it, which forces the virus to mutate in order to be effective again Somehow i think we have similar conversations about this before, dunno whether in this thread or other thread

anyways, congrats on the victory last night bittersweet feeling for me, coz its nice to see City lost, but on the other hand i know Liverpool is gonna be strong next season, gonna be more competitive than ever!

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Apr 12 2011, 03:41 PM

Those are silly boys, ignore them. I was watching and that foul was one of those that happens unluckily. I feel gutted at first, like of all times for Arsenal to get it. But Spearing himself looked gutted and i know losing 1-0 at the end of such game would be tough for u guys as well. None of what happened screamed "throwing away". But as the game goes on i am glad i am witnessing one of the, if not, game of the season.

maybe thats for you to say, but mine isnt just about Arsenal losing points. I am really talking about the whole EPL. Never have i seen a game with goals scored in the 107 and 110 minute of Normal league game.

Wanna ask a question, is it now only the 5th spot is open for Europa League? Since Birmingham win the Carling Cup, and Stoke City will now be in the finals (regardless they win or not, they will be in Europe coz City themself will most probably be in Europe by league position)?

managers will always look out for their players and if the players were to be blamed, it would be last (they would blame the air being too dense before their players). Fergie did it, Mourinho did it. generally thats what managers do, they try to take the attention away from their players. But i do agree with you, the way Arsene did it, its bordering the "sore loser" attitude. But for whats its worth, i do think it is working. If Arsene's player were subject to the whole lot of criticism without him trying to defend them, many would have quit years ago, for example over the 6 years barren run.

What about the "au revoir cantona and Man Utd. come back when you've won 18" banner? Isn't that the same? Belittling other club's achievement?

Not here to flame but these sorts of banners are common among hardcore supporters, and it's more towards the locals in UK. They aren't pretty, but it happens. And just like how those who put up the 18 title banner bit their own tongue when we did get the 18th title, we might bite our own tongue if city wins the FA cup, and the banner will go down.

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Added on April 19, 2011, 9:25 amThanks. This answered my question in the previous page

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Apr 19 2011, 09:25 AM

i have no beef against Liverpool. I have utmost respect for what Liverpool had achieve, both in domestic and European clubs. I am also in awe of a lot of the supporters here, going with the club through thick and thin. in fact, my argument isnt even targeting Liverpool, my argument is about why some of you used the word "disgusting" in reference to the local banter.

But yeah, i do think you say we are disgusting in the way we treat City, and unlike Liverpool who dont do the same to Everton. Did you realize the 35 years banner only came in existence when City comes back and try to grapple the so-called "local pride" from United? Basically the banner was meant as a jibe between the local fans, after last season's derby. We do not make that banner up from 1 year, and continue counting for 35 years. When City was like Everton, a mid-table club or at times in the lower division, We dont do such thing, just like Liverpool didnt do the same to Everton. It all started when City became a title rival as well. Thus me referencing the 18 title banner, which comes out because of TITLE RIVALRY, not flogging neighbours just for the fun of it. The 18th title banner isnt to jib Liverpool fans that we also have 18 now, it is just my point in saying that when title rivals played together, it is pretty common for such banners to appear. it happen some 10 odd years ago, it is happening now and it will probably continue in the future. Not to mention these jibe isnt a one way street, City themselves have an even more public showcase, putting a Tevez ad-board with the title "WELCOME TO MANCHESTER". I personally dont buy into these because im not a local Mancunian so these local pride doesnt relate to me, but both sides of the city have been going at each other and only recently, due to title fights, escalate.

Yes Liverpool might not do the same to Everton now. But there is no doubt local banters between the 2 Merseyside clubs do happen in Liverpool, day in day out. and assuming Everton one day got a cash daddy and really fight for the title alongside Liverpool, who knows, jibing banners will come out between the 2 clubs when they meet each other. Like i said, its the local affair and while we non-local fans might not really understand it, that doesnt mean it is disgusting.

My point is, the United-City rivalry now is a bit different to the Liverpool-Everton rivalry, in terms of club stature. So you cant compare it directly as to why United did it, and Liverpool dont. And yes i know your post is about you doubting Liverpool will do that. But what about LukeMjstc's post? from my interpretation he is saying we are disgusting for doing that, while Liverpool is class. Yes, Liverpool is class, no doubt. But to call us disgusting over such banter? Im not also expecting any change of minds here over this issue, but at the very least please dont call any other club disgusting or any of that sort just for the sake of it.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Apr 19 2011, 02:47 PM

I don't see anything wrong with Kenny's Piss off word. He walked to arsene trying to have a post-match shake etc, but was met by a manager who is in denial of the penalty. Understandably he would be annoyed if the opposition manager doesn't even acknowledge the result, if not the penalty decision.

But I know a lot of MU fans are saying why not a FA charge. Don't get it wrong. We're not trying to pull down Kenny. We are just highlighting the inconsistencies of FA. Though arguably Rooney's case and Kennys case is a bit different. But our issue is, we do feel being unjustly done by FA, even if some of the decisions are justifiable. But if it's on other topics when trolling, then I oso dunno

I personally think Kenny have every right to ask wenger to piss off after the way he reacted anyway

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Apr 20 2011, 09:28 AM

Wanna ask u guys this, a question that an arsenal supporting friend posted on FB for Liverpool fans: which would u prefer, Man Utd winning the 19th title, or Torres winning the league immediately after leaving Liverpool?

I tried to put myself in a liverpool fans shoes and wow...it is a dilemma and I think there would be different opinions. Any thoughts?