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 BNM New Rulings on CC, No more card to card approve

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post Mar 19 2011, 08:51 AM

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Bonus are not fixed income.
Many will say it can be calculated as part of your income but it depends on the bank. The bank that I have dealt with have said no.

Plus definitely you need to submit your EA as part of your income document at the point of cc application.
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post Mar 19 2011, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(bingozero @ Mar 18 2011, 02:39 PM)
Ref No: 03/11/06

Embargo: Not for publication or broadcast before 2011-03-18 12:00:00 hours on , 2011-03-18 12:00:00 2011-03-18 12:00:00

New Measures on Credit Cards to Promote Prudent Financial Management and Responsible Business Practices

Bank Negara Malaysia wishes to announce new measures on credit cards in continuous efforts to inculcate sound financial and debt management among credit card users. These measures are also aimed to promote fair and responsible business practices by credit card issuers with further enhancements in the cards security infrastructure.

With immediate effect, the eligibility requirements for credit cards are revised as follows:

The minimum income eligibility for new credit card holders is set at RM24,000 per annum;
For cardholders earning RM36,000 per annum and less, the following would be applicable:

Cardholders can only hold credit cards from a maximum of two issuers.
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The maximum credit limit extended to a cardholder shall not exceed two times their monthly income per issuer.
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Card issuers will engage with the affected cardholders to assist them in restructuring their repayments to facilitate the smooth implementation of this measure. In addition, cardholders can also seek the assistance of Agensi Kaunseling dan Pengurusan Kredit (AKPK) for advice on their debt management.

Responsible Business Practices in Provision of Credit Cards

Credit card issuers are required to adopt fair, transparent and responsible approach in marketing and offering of credit cards to consumers. Issuers are not allowed to increase cardholders' credit limit without obtaining their consent. Issuers are also not allowed to offer a credit advance in the form of cheque payable to the cardholders unless the cardholders have requested for the credit advance.

To facilitate consumers in making comparison and informed decisions, card issuers are required to provide a Product Disclosure Sheet that contains key information on the card's features, fees and obligations of the cardholders. Issuers are also required to display prominently alerts to communicate to cardholders the implications of meeting only minimum and partial repayments. At the end of each year, customised information on how long it will take to fully pay off the cardholder's outstanding balance and the total interest costs if the cardholder only makes minimum repayment will be issued to each cardholder. This will be effective for annual statements issued from December 2011.

Further Enhancements to Credit Card Infrastructure Security

In the effort to further enhance credit card security and to promote public confidence in the usage of credit cards as a safe payment instrument, effective 1 January 2012, transaction alerts via Short Messaging Service (SMS) will be implemented by card issuers for their cardholders after transactions are performed. This will be followed by the implementation of the Personal Identification Number (PIN) verification for all card transactions from 1 January 2015 onwards.
For further information on the new credit card guidelines, members of the public can contact ABM Connect at 1-300-88-9980, the contact centres of their respective card issuers and Bank Negara Malaysia's Telelink at 1-300-88-5465.


Bank Negara Malaysia
2011-03-18 12:00:00 2011-03-18 12:00:00

© Bank Negara Malaysia, 2011. All rights reserved.
http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=14&ac=2226
Conclusion, which 2 credit card should you stay with if income RM36,000 per annum or less?
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Fully support the move by BNM. With regard to PIN verfication, after UK, South Korea and China, we are their follower w.e.f. Year 2015. rclxm9.gif

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post Mar 19 2011, 09:10 AM

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In September 2010, I have mentioned in my blog that the government may introduce some conditions on credit cards and one of them was increasing the minimum annual income to RM24K and the other to cap the credit limit by all banks based on one's earning. Guess I wasn't that far off as far as the CL in concerned. click below link to read my article in September 2010.

http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...for-credit.html
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post Mar 19 2011, 10:17 AM

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I think they are going to implement it gradually starting at the RM36000 and below yearly income. I know a guy who has RM4k monthly income with RM50k credit card debt and he has been holding his debt forever. This is a scenario that BNM want to have it gone with but of course it will be most prudent to start with the fresh grad before anyone else. Anyway, I would still consider the max allowable RM12k credit limit as pretty high...but bye bye to 36 months installment lol. It is a good way to start really and definitely safer than just increase the % min payment on credit cards. That would definitely kill a lot of people.

Besides, how many of you spend like crazy after a confirmation of an increase salary from a new job or from a rumored higher than expected bonus and than living on debt for the greater part of the year and thus make no difference even with a pay raise? With tight credit you will feel yourself elevated right out and not to find out later that your pay "raise" was really only to pay for your min payment lol.

I think if I am to blame a bank it is CIMB doh.gif

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post Mar 19 2011, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Mar 19 2011, 10:17 AM)
I think they are going to implement it gradually starting at the RM36000 and below yearly income. I know a guy who has RM4k monthly income with RM50k credit card debt and he has been holding his debt forever. This is a scenario that BNM want to have it gone with but of course it will be most prudent to start with the fresh grad before anyone else. Anyway, I would still consider the max allowable RM12k credit limit as pretty high...but bye bye to 36 months installment lol. It is a good way to start really and definitely safer than just increase the % min payment on credit cards. That would definitely kill a lot of people.

Besides, how many of you spend like crazy after a confirmation of an increase salary from a new job or from a rumored higher than expected bonus and than living on debt for the greater part of the year and thus make no difference even with a pay raise? With tight credit you will feel yourself elevated right out and not to find out later that your pay "raise" was really only to pay for your min payment lol.

I think if I am to blame a bank it is CIMB  doh.gif
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Haha. Why CIMB?

BTW, my senior manager having the same scenario as you mentioned above. He earn very high salary but I saw he did BT every few months. The bankers always call to his office phone to chase for repayment of credit debts..
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Click below link to read my article on BNM new guideline at my blog.

http://creditcardsmalaysia.blogspot.com/20...ual-income.html
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post Mar 26 2011, 09:30 AM

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Separate credit card criteria for retirees

PETALING JAYA: The new credit card application guidelines do not apply to pensioners or retirees, said Bank Negara.

An official said the raise in income requirement to RM24,000 from RM18,000 per annum was solely for those with a monthly income, adding that banks had their own guidelines to assess the credit worthiness of retirees.

Association of Banks Malaysia executive director Chuah Mei Lin said pensioners would stand a higher chance of getting their applications approved if they had a good track record of servicing housing or other loans.

AmBank Group public affairs head Syed Anuar Syed Ali said applicants' credit rating was assessed individually.

Citibank Bhd public relations officer Jaya Menon said an internal guideline would be used to assess the credit worthiness of applicants who are not on a monthly income.


Source - The Star (26/3/11)
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post Mar 27 2011, 01:17 AM

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So if I have a CC debt with Public Bank and I cancel their Card.. how much interest I need to pay for a debt in that 2 years period given?

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Mar 26 2011, 11:32 AM)
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Separate credit card criteria for retirees

PETALING JAYA: The new credit card application guidelines do not apply to pensioners or retirees, said Bank Negara.

An official said the raise in income requirement to RM24,000 from RM18,000 per annum was solely for those with a monthly income, adding that banks had their own guidelines to assess the credit worthiness of retirees.

Association of Banks Malaysia executive director Chuah Mei Lin said pensioners would stand a higher chance of getting their applications approved if they had a good track record of servicing housing or other loans.

AmBank Group public affairs head Syed Anuar Syed Ali said applicants' credit rating was assessed individually.

Citibank Bhd public relations officer Jaya Menon said an internal guideline would be used to assess the credit worthiness of applicants who are not on a monthly income.


Source - The Star (26/3/11


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Is this a double standard or what? sweat.gif

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post Mar 27 2011, 08:15 AM

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Is cimb bank still giving out higher limit on their cards after this announcement?
I mean for platinum, world, signature, infinite?
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post Mar 27 2011, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 27 2011, 07:25 AM)
Is this a double standard or what? sweat.gif
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BNM thinks that pensioners/retirees are smart consumers since they live so longon this earth already. brows.gif

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will bank ever consider approving an applicant's cc application who doesn't meet the req , eg income 20k and got car loan to pay?
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post Mar 27 2011, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Mar 27 2011, 07:25 AM)
Is this a double standard or what? sweat.gif
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1) For those on a monthly income, banks exploit the fact that they have a steady income stream, and hence have the ability to pay on an on-going basis.

2) For those without a monthly income, banks determine their eligibility based on a different set of criteria like their total investment with the bank, their good credit record, etc, etc. If you are not a valued customer, they will laugh at you and show you the front door if you attempt to apply for a CC. If you are valued, they would be pestering you to accept CCs you never even applied for.

So yes, there are two vastly different standards.


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wondering...my salary is below 36k pa, but somehow maybank pre-approve the m2kard platinum..do they somehow consider me above 36k?? i receive the invitation letter for platinum 1 month b4 the new guideline comes out..i've been using the petronas gold all this while..
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QUOTE(azam_halim @ Mar 28 2011, 03:17 AM)
wondering...my salary is below 36k pa, but somehow maybank pre-approve the m2kard platinum..do they somehow consider me above 36k?? i receive the invitation letter for platinum 1 month b4 the new guideline comes out..i've been using the petronas gold all this while..
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Do you have other cards besides the MBB 2 Cards? Is your salary above 2K?
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post Mar 28 2011, 05:12 AM

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QUOTE(azam_halim @ Mar 28 2011, 03:17 AM)
wondering...my salary is below 36k pa, but somehow maybank pre-approve the m2kard platinum..do they somehow consider me above 36k?? i receive the invitation letter for platinum 1 month b4 the new guideline comes out..i've been using the petronas gold all this while..
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The bank hasn't announced the compliance plans so it is hard to say what will happen.
However, on a personal interpretation the BNM announcement did say that CL will be based on your income. I doubt so the bank consider your income to be above RM36K as the invitation is purely from a customer retention/marketing point of view. Likely the bank won't take away your card but instead lower your CL to the compliance level.

In worse case scenario, they'll just maintain you at the Gold level card since that is where you started.
The BNM announcement did not mention about the impact to the type of card that a cardholder will be subjected to in the compliance plan. And banks generally while they have an official information on what the eligibility level for a particular card product, it is pretty much up to them when it comes to granting the card to their customer.

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i see this as too many loopholes around.

First of all, how they going to know how much u earn per annum? Income tax, EPF? Some are not entirely true
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QUOTE(Intrigue @ Mar 28 2011, 08:25 AM)
First of all, how they going to know how much u earn per annum? Income tax, EPF? Some are not entirely true
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True but there's a problem only if you understate these information. Sure, be honest you will get more CL and will not be subjected to the BNM ruling but also you will be subjected to higher income tax which is the reason many hide these information from their EPF, Income tax, etc.

No need to be negative on the BNM ruling. In my opinion those who worry so much about the ruling is because the ruling will impact them negatively. Those who has no issues, have no issues at all.

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