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 RCCB/ELCB 100mA still nuisance trip!, during lightning storms

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pky
post Oct 31 2011, 07:39 PM

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In = 40A / 63A indicates the Max carry amp of the RCCB. It means, if you install a 40A RCCB, but you are running 50A of load, it will trip. This protect from overload.

Ioan is the sensitivity of the RCCB. Ideally, Live + Neutral = 0, if Live + Neutral /= 0, leakage happen. But, there's no ideal in real life, so, comes the Ioan where it is the tolerance the device will accept before registering the leakage as a fault, in your case, 100mA.
Generally, for lighting circuit, 100mA is used, 30mA is used for power circuit and 300mA for Air-Con.

As for your problem, how old is your house, particularly, the electrical wiring? The older the wiring, the higher the probability of leakage through wires due to degration of the insulator.

Proper solution, do a complete insulation test to the whole house, or change all the wiring. Improve your house earthing system.

Cheap solution, which profesional do not agree, but client will usually do due to cost saving. Use higher tolerance RCCB or use ELCB instead.

No matter how do it, make sure other than the fuse, there's at least a protection device in place.
pky
post Nov 2 2011, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(helob @ Nov 2 2011, 03:11 PM)
Thanks for the very informative feedback.
My house is well over ten years as I bought it ten years ago.
You are most probably right that some wire insulation has degraded to a point where there is earth leakage during lightning which trip the RCCB.
My thought was to isolate certain area/wiring where leakage is suspected by selectively turn off the DPN MCB during lighning.
What is the best method of identifying  the area/wiring other than doing a complete insulation test for the whole house?
Typically how long and the cost of doing a complete insulation test for a semi-D single storey house?
I thought RCCB is the current version of ELCB.
Pls elaborate on "use ELCB instead"
TQ and have a nice day.
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Insulation test is very tedious job. Have to dismantle all lighting and power point from its appliances, and it might damage your existing wirie insulation since during insulation test, 1kV(can set to 500V) will be injected to the circuit to stress the wiring. If your wire insulation "almost going to die" after the injection, most probably going to "die" for good. We only do insulation test if the house wiring is still new, or when we know which particular circuit giving the problem. Not to mention, i don't think your local neighbourhood electrician know what is "insulation test".

RCCB are replacing ELCB and both are two different thing with different protection method which you can easily google it up.

QUOTE(zeese @ Nov 2 2011, 03:31 PM)
why nobody mention about grounding.. there was a thread about this and most replies mentioned about improving the wire grounding..
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One of my suggestion is to improve the earthing system as well. But it will involve lots of $$ especially lately where copper price are still at it high side.


QUOTE(socratesman @ Nov 2 2011, 07:54 PM)
didn't realise helpful helob resurrected my thread lol

After some research, I suspect background leakage from the internal wiring (my house is 30+ yrs old).
Say, maybe about 60-70mA worth of background leakage between Live and Neutral.
So the tiniest of surges from lightning could be enough to send the Live-Neutral delta over 100mA => TRIP

damn, now must check all the circuits in the house..mafan
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As i suggested earlier to helob, either change the house wiring, use less sensitive RCCB, use back the primitive ELCB, improve your earthing system, or change to other protection system such as using adjustable ELR with a shunt trip coil, or just leave it as is, standby at the DB during thunder.

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post Nov 11 2011, 02:18 PM

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MCB detects overcurrent. Say, a 2.5HP aircon connected to 10A MCB, MCB will trip.
ELCB detects if any current running in the Earth conductor
RCCB detects residue current between L&N.

Earth Resistivity (Electrical Grounding) test using Earth Tester. Calculated in Ohm, the lower the ohm the better it is.

Insulation Tester (Mega Tester) is test the insulation capability of the cables. Measured in MOhm. The higher it is, the better.

Both Earth tester and insulation tester are not cheap at hundreds.

 

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