QUOTE(sunnyK @ May 31 2011, 11:21 AM)
It's like saying someone bought a Ferrari but no money to pump petrol Panasonic Viera TV Fan Club V.2, Plasma, LCD & LED models.
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May 31 2011, 12:11 PM
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May 31 2011, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(sunnyK @ May 31 2011, 02:48 PM) most probably RM 21,999 for new 65VT30 Aiyah. Why people need spoon feeding all the time. Brain so straight one. It's the concept that counts, student.Ferraris and panny 65 is big different lah . like that also dont know how to calculate maybe you have not heard of ferraris and benz 600 owner who dont have money to buy petrol or replace tyres for panny 65'' , you could go for 12 mths instalments but defer payment later what buy and enjoy first , die later lah After you bought a Ferrari, the cost of petrol is a drop in the ocean. After you bought a 65", electricity cost is a drop in the ocean. In other word, once you pay big bucks for those toys, the running cost should be the least of your worries. Still don't get it? |
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May 31 2011, 09:53 PM
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QUOTE(sunnyK @ May 31 2011, 07:36 PM) still comparing a ferrari with a panny 65" . silly fella with little common sense Ferrari cost RM800,000.00a ferrari could only be own by the super elite whereas a medium class could still afford a panny 65'' if they want to. the price of a new set panny 65 will drop if one is willing to wait awhile but a ferrari would not drop a lira no matter what Fuel consumption at 4 km per liter or 72.5 sen/km at RM2.90 per liter RON97. Fuel consumption per year RM17,400 for 24,000 km Per year, fuel cost 2.2% of car's worth. 65" Plasma cost RM22,000.00 Electricity cost RM1.4 per night or ~RM500 per year @ 500W/hr. 8 hr per night. Per year, electricity cost 2.27% of TV's cost. As you can see, the cost of running either Ferrari or 65" TV is around 2% of the product cost. Of course we all know that except little kids who need spoon feeding. Typical of a local education where kids are never encouraged to use their brain. A pity. If one can afford a Ferrari, 2% running cost should not be a problem. Likewise if one can afford a 65", 2% electricity cost shouldn't be either. |
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Jun 1 2011, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Jun 1 2011, 12:41 AM) No need to study so hard lah. Just using common sense but it seems our education system do not encourage that, not the kid's fault, it's the system. For example, for moral study in school and to get high mark, they must learn by heart the definition of a value and write it down word for word as written in the textbook. To use own word with exactly the same meaning will not get you high mark. They are killing innovation, creativity and common sense of our student. |
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Jun 1 2011, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 1 2011, 10:11 AM) my goodness. where in this part of the world does a new ferrari cost RM 800,000. maybe a 5 or more year old low end model and out of warranty and with engine more ready for overhaul than running and you are using that as comparison with a new set panny 65''. your last few post as you suggest to yourself that you may have the education but you certainly lack tact and wisdom. Ha ha. You are still missing the forest for the trees because you are too focused on details & figures and missing the main point.i have pointed out , a new set of 65'' inch can be own by a medium class here if he/she wanted to with the easy payment scheme offered by CC and ofcourse power consumption have to be considered as a medium class here have many other payment commitments too such as housing and car loans among others. it is a known fact many potential big size plasmas buyer have switch away to LEDs because of the heavier power consumption factor of the big size plasmas even a old ferrari at RM 800,000 as you suggested as comparison, could only be own by the super elites and most of the time ,this group of high income people will not have to worry about petrol consumption. well not all of them ,as i have known a few who have bought cars at this price range but still have worries about tyres change ,road tax renewal, parts replacement and certainly not the least , fuel consumption. i thought the last time i check ,a new Ferrari cost RM 2.5 million and above and if i could afford that i would open my own petrol station . boy , you are using the wrong samples as comparison although you suggested you are but i hope you are not a university graduates When one says "a person who complained about electricity usage when buying a 65" Plasma is similar to a person who buy a Ferrari and complain about fuel price", it's emphasis a point, not the details and you are going on and on about details. Think about it for a second. Like you say, a Ferrari cost millions and a 65" only a fraction of a million so surely everybody else here beside you know that we are not talking about some absolute figure but rather talking about a particular point. I hope you are not a university graduate. The point is, a person who can afford such things shouldn't really have too much to worry about running cost. But if running cost is paramount, they shouldn't have bought the Ferrari or the 65" in the 1st place. Oh...the details you quoted. I am sure you are now using your investigative brain power and they are more correct than what I said. Good for you. As for me, it doesn't matter whether I am wrong about those figures or not because I am merely illustrating a point. |
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Jun 1 2011, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 1 2011, 11:29 AM) Added on June 1, 2011, 11:31 am aren't you the one who go on to use figures and details as comparison and i want to point out that your sampling method as comparison is wrong as ownership of this two gadgets although under luxury category could come from very different income groups as far as affordability and running cost are concern a owner of a new or for that matter even old ferrari need not have much to worry about running cost whereas a owner of a new panny65'' have to consider about it as to own a panny65'' is now within range of many medium class income group whereas , to own a Ferrari , is still restricted to a elite few high income group. if you want to compare a panny with ferraris , you should use the panny 150 inch as comparison with monthly power consumption at probably RM 1,000 per month and a new set cost RM 250,000. hope you get it this time |
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Jun 2 2011, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 2 2011, 09:28 AM) a newly introduced model will but a NEW SET of 65" may not necessary cost RM 22k and will infact cost much less if one is willing to wait just a couple of months with the same warranty coverage as well. a new set of 65/vt 20 should cost about RM 13,000 or lower now as i have read somewhere . similarly, the price of a new set of 65/VT30 will drop like hell a couple of months after launching . one may buy a new set of 65" TV but not always at launching price Why stop? I thought we are having fun.i have to forcefully stop myself from debating with you from now While TV price may drop, electricity price will increase so I think you best not buy the 65". They consume too much electricity. How to afford? http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...3773&sec=nation This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jun 2 2011, 08:55 PM |
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Jun 2 2011, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(Mickey C @ Jun 2 2011, 07:20 PM) Got point also,,, TV price may drop, but TNB bill won't drop.... Actually, I am waiting for 65" to drop below RM7000...then to hell with the electricity cost, I am going to buy another Plasma. For the time being, the 50" will have to do.But I won't care too much, if I have money, I just bring the 65 home and enjoy..... |
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Jun 3 2011, 07:04 AM
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QUOTE(tankiasu @ Jun 3 2011, 04:09 AM) Yea I think its impossible too. By the time it drops to RM12000-15000, it will all be snapped up by wealthy apeks oredi. I think it's possible. The 50" price has dropped to 1/3 of it's old price. Similarly, 1/3 of a 65" present price is around RM7K. But like the Sunny fellow says, I am worried I can not afford the electricity because sooner or later, all subsidy will be removed and price of electricity will shot through the roof. Have money to buy but no money to pay electricity, what a nightmare |
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Jun 3 2011, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 3 2011, 09:59 AM) my goodness , where in this world did you come from . i have tried to refrain myself but cannot tahan Why can not tahan? Why torture yourself? You should let yourself go. Show us how wise you are.from your last few post here , you have made yourself to be such an idiot and once again proven here - 1) I think it's possible. The 50" price has dropped to 1/3 of it's old price. Similarly, 1/3 of a 65" present price is around RM7K. -let me tell you .panasonic here have imported far too many 50" panel thus under pressure to sell them cheap whenever new models are about to be introduce . i don't think the same apply to the 65" and furthermore ,if indeed it drop to RM 7k then many CC holders who already have other daily and monthly commitments will be tempted to purchase and possibly ,even mess-up their living with unnecessary burdens, especially when you said and quote - all subsidy will be removed and price of electricity will shot through the roof. - haven't you heard of some who bought houses and cars which are absolute necessities and top priority payback and yet struggles to pay bank installments up to 2 or 3 months and yet have to live out the burden of high energy cost . why do you think car manufacturers almost always work on fuel consumption improvement and why do you think TV makers always did the same on power and advertise their energy saving improvements as selling factor you seriously lack common sense and socio and economic sense is way way beyond you and i laugh to myself for talking with you If Panasonic can made a 'mistake' by importing too many 50" and have to sell them cheap, what make you think they wouldn't make the same 'mistake' again with the 65"? Have you not heard the saying "history repeating itself"? My bet is, they will make the same mistake. |
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Jun 4 2011, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(vhung @ Jun 4 2011, 08:41 AM) Hi all Sifu.. V20 is 2010 top model. Did you compare it to the 2011 top model or just one of the 2011 lower end model?Anyone know where can get p42v20k this model around klang valley..?? Review 2011 model found that v20 still the best instead of 2011 models. This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Jun 5 2011, 06:59 AM |
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Jun 6 2011, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jun 6 2011, 11:51 AM) If you cant find the V series (50"), might as well go with VT (yes 3D) version, since there are is a price drop. If I'm not mistaken its only about RM5200-5300 You mean, 50" VT is now RM5K+ now? Its the same price V series selling beginning of the year! I once said one day, the 65" will be RM7K and some disagreed. Now it look more than possible a year or 2 down the road. |
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Jun 10 2011, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(Jason @ Jun 10 2011, 04:52 PM) why panasonic doesn't list their motion refresh rate (?) commonly they are either 50hz or 100hz.. panny L42E3K and P42U30K.. i can't find the spec.. When it comes to refresh rate, LCD/LED are just a Toyota fighting a Ferrari/Plasma for speed. What's the point of Plasma listing theirs? |
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