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mirage2000
post Mar 9 2011, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Mar 9 2011, 10:34 AM)
the apache is a success in afghanistan because taliban dont have SAM..we have a shit load of it
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so your theory is SAMs made aircraft and helos obsolete??
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post Mar 9 2011, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 9 2011, 10:40 AM)
thick jungle are much dangerous to attack heli than desert mountain...
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flying low and fast at night on thick jungle won't be dangerous with current helicopter system..
now it's not vietnam era anymore


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post Mar 9 2011, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(epul @ Mar 9 2011, 10:48 AM)
SAM doesnt make the helos and plane look obsolete
but the environment itself make attack helos etc to be in difficult when they want to attack the enemy in the thick jungle
dont compare arab-desert environemnt
only got 1-3 trees and sand dune to hide
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flying low and fast at night on thick jungle won't be dangerous with current helicopter system..
now it's not vietnam era anymore


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post Mar 9 2011, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(heavyduty @ Mar 9 2011, 10:48 AM)
there were 24 apaches during the kosovo war,none of them were deployed because the fear of serbian SAMs
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during the first gulf war 1991, apaches are chosen to attack and destroy the iraqi EARLY WARNING RADAR INSTALLATION
to create a safe corridor for attacking allied aircraft.

The apaches are more useful to this important mission than high end attack aircraft like the F-15E and even the F-117A stealth.
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post Mar 9 2011, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(epul @ Mar 9 2011, 10:59 AM)
high tech gadget have their own weakness
jungle warfare such at Vietnam still apply with current scenario
look at US army at Afghanistan
did they succeed the war to conquer Afghanistan
the answer is No
although with much much better high tech gadget
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US already own afghan..have their own gomen .the talibans are fighting a desperate war from caves and holes
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post Mar 9 2011, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 9 2011, 10:57 AM)
havent saw any real jungle war recently...so anybody can speculate about almost anything...remember before in Iraq when US army so confident they thought can marched by just using a large group of apaches..later then they knew that their decision was a big mistake...attack heli cant be deployed solely by themselves...they need backup from other mechanized divisions...& for an oppressor to deploy a mechanized division effectively in a our jungle, I would say its gonna be tough things to do
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true an army need combined arms to fight effectively...

but don't understand why guys keep saying fighting in jungle, only a losing army hide and fight in jungle..
even the vietnamese NVA army fight the conventional way during the closing stages of the war to conquer the mekong delta areas

btw is there any thick jungle left that big enough to hide a whole army except taman negara
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post Mar 9 2011, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 9 2011, 11:07 AM)
because back in Gulf War before, Iraqi dun have MANPADs

while we have bunch loads of it
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back then saddam have serious assortment of AA weapons from 12.7mm guns, manpads to SA-6 missile
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post Mar 9 2011, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(epul @ Mar 9 2011, 11:10 AM)
Irq is a desert country
Msia thick jungle country doh.gif  doh.gif
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who hides a radar in a thick jungle rclxub.gif
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post Mar 9 2011, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Mar 9 2011, 11:25 AM)
bentong, gua musang, mersing jungle
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fight from these areas when the invading army is at the urbanized west coast?

and these are non connecting jungle meanwhile at vietnam hanoi can hide and move an army thru laos, cambodia to the lower mekong delta

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post Mar 9 2011, 12:00 PM

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watch this apache video.

flying fast and low even manpads can't touch them
sneaking up unaware insurgents and watching them from several kilometres away



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post Mar 9 2011, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(panglimanadzri @ Mar 9 2011, 11:59 AM)
if singapore invade malaysia, just drop an atom-like bomb in singapore, just like USA did to Japan in WW2, then singapore will surrender.
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if you have a atom bomb
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post Mar 9 2011, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(ben_panced @ Mar 9 2011, 12:00 PM)
lol flying fast in arid environment
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flying fast thru jungle, hide behind tree, scan with longbow
and sneak a hellfire up ur ass


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post Mar 9 2011, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(panglimanadzri @ Mar 9 2011, 12:11 PM)
i didnt say an atomic bomb, rather an atom-like bomb in term of its distruction power. for example a couple of container full load with TNT using some mechanical device to detonate 500 meters above the ground to maximize the effect of the blast, i think it is sufficient to wipe out entire singapore.. hahahaha.
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this will be like iraq attacking kuwait..US will come invade..
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post Mar 9 2011, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 9 2011, 12:42 PM)
Attack chopper is quite overrated
Not really, a good heat seeking will do the jobs
Chopper might be more manoeuvrable, but so does Manpads
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if you can lock to the apache first...not to mention apache's cooled exhaust system,'disco ball' ECM and flares


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post Mar 9 2011, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 9 2011, 12:50 PM)
yeah! in a promo-vid  rolleyes.gif
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yeah it owned many iraqi tanks and apc
true story
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post Mar 9 2011, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 9 2011, 12:57 PM)
1st, the chopper needs to locate officer who operate the manpads...& as i know, jungle clay very effective in hiding human's body heat

& no, the manpads operator wont come clean, & they wont do sitting duck
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may i know how the manpads guy locate the apache first, and how to shoot a missile thru a thick jungle

and a apache pilot won't bother for a manpads guy, better look a more juicy targets like a tank, apc or radar guided SAMs
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post Mar 9 2011, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(quintessential @ Mar 9 2011, 01:14 PM)
tanah melayu (malaysia) = 1
nanyang (singapore) =0

singapore will be returned to the rightful owner, malays. straits chinese have to become refugees again.
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dulu sepak orang keluar, sekarang dah maju & kaya, nak ambil balik, tamak betul
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post Mar 9 2011, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 9 2011, 01:31 PM)
did madpads operator necessarily the guy who locate apache? as i know, soldiers dont come individual, they come in pact...& each of them have different role with different gadget

yes, while apache busying busting tanks, manpads operator just shoot em up..we not talking bout manpads vs apache solely
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what gadget? a apache finder & locator?
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post Mar 9 2011, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 9 2011, 02:03 PM)
Iphone4

will that satisfy?
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ipon 5 now dei
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post Mar 10 2011, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Mar 10 2011, 12:08 PM)
u have an intelligent military mind.
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fadly have logic

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