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 PROTON SAGA BLM & FL CLUB V12, welcome FL to the family

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lhwj
post Apr 18 2011, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(sg999 @ Apr 18 2011, 03:00 PM)
After i change to bhp
i pumped 2times
both give me 15km/L rolleyes.gif
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If you look at my fuel log, I tried BHP once about a month ago. Got 8.5 L / 100 km or 11.8 km / L.

But that can't be compared to my past two consumption figures because the route and driving habits were not the same. Furthermore it's only one tank.

There are no BHP stations along my regular routes, so I won't be trying them again soon.
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post Apr 20 2011, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 20 2011, 11:54 AM)
weird....my tyre is lossing pressure in unnormal rate
yesterday i checked 30PSI....today is already 29PSI
but just now i go to tyre shop and let them check...there were no leakage
any other explanation for this???
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I think a difference of just 1 PSI is no cause for concern. Were the tyres hot or cold when you checked them?
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post Apr 20 2011, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Apr 20 2011, 02:07 PM)
both time is cold
and every week i also need to pump which is weird
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Is it just one tyre or all the tyres?
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post Apr 22 2011, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(luciana_vrnc @ Apr 22 2011, 01:28 AM)
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Eh. I timed your videos with my stopwatch. Did twice each and came out with the same results.

First video is actually 10.5 seconds.

Second one 10.8 seconds.

Dunno how accurate it is laugh.gif

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post Apr 23 2011, 01:32 AM

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This is my latest consumption report.

This week I drove as if petrol was free (simply rev kaw kaw), and I got 8.3 L / 100 km, on the new Primax 95 Xtra. For the two previous tanks I kept a light foot and got 7.8 - 7.9. My route, traffic conditions and car load for these three tanks were very similar.

As what I said on Fuelly, I will continue to drive hard on this tank, then do a best mileage attempt on the Primax 95 Xtra after that. I think I can beat 7.8 L / 100 km (set using Caltex) on that one thumbup.gif

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post Apr 25 2011, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(luciana_vrnc @ Apr 23 2011, 02:28 AM)
intro 1st, i'm omara86, using my wife's ID bcoz me kena 1 week ban...

i agree wif ur statement, to me, BLM engine is for high revving type of driving... driving slow or maintaining normal rpm (between 2k - 3k rpm) wont giv much effect on consumption...

my statement:
driving slow wont giv u better consumption
driving fast giv u better consumption than driving slow (time:distance:fuel ratio)

it doest mean that it wont do good if driving slow, it's juz that i cant find the same feel as in toyota engine, driving below 3k rpm will giv u superb consumption and drive above 3k will drink ur fuel kaw2... while for campro, driving slow wont make ur car drink fuel slowly, but driving fast will make ur consumed fuel worth the speed and driving experience..

which make campro engine is good for highway/long distance drive..
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Actually the difference between my past few tanks is not so much speed, but acceleration. Keeping a light foot means accelerating slowly (less than 2k RPM in city driving tongue.gif) and changing gears up very fast. Typically, 1st just to get started, 2nd until 20 km/h, 3rd 20-40, 4th 40-60 and 5th 60+ onwards. Eventually I'd still end up going as fast as the road conditions will safely allow me to go, I really can't stand driving slowly anyway sweat.gif

But yeah, driving slowly does not give you better FC. You end up wasting more fuel because of the longer time you take to cover the distance. So my conclusion is, for best FC, drive fast but accelerate slowly. But if you accelerate kaw kaw, you still don't lose much anyway whistling.gif +0.5 L/100 km in my case. I feel your traffic conditions affect your FC, more than anything else.

I really like this new Primax 95 Xtra. I can't compare it to other brands in terms of power because I've never revved so hard so frequently before, but the feeling at 4k RPM is so syok rclxm9.gif I was carrying four friends the whole day on Saturday and there's still a lot of reserve power left thumbup.gif


QUOTE(luciana_vrnc @ Apr 23 2011, 08:35 AM)

I'm still looking for the best rpm for shifting... I think for  0 - 100, the best is to shift at max torque on each gear, diff gear at diff rpm... Any1 know how to look for it?
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I've never done a 0-100 attempt before so don't take me seriously laugh.gif


QUOTE(sg999 @ Apr 23 2011, 08:13 AM)
the best FC is 16km/L at 90km/j@3000rpm thumbup.gif
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It's impossible to do 90 km/h constant on Penang island lah sweat.gif Unless you're talking about going up and down on the Jelutong Highway between Weld Quay and Batu Maung between 12 midnight and 6 am tongue.gif

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post Apr 25 2011, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 25 2011, 11:04 AM)
if can, show me the exact gear spring. mine's due sweat.gif
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Dude, getting your car back today or tomorrow? smile.gif
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post Apr 25 2011, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(luciana_vrnc @ Apr 25 2011, 05:01 PM)
Hehehehe... Low displacement engine, among the cheapest car in d market, using chain?
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But Myvi's K3-VE uses a timing chain.
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post Apr 25 2011, 11:00 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 25 2011, 06:26 PM)
my car is back

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Good for you rclxms.gif Stay safe and hope that this will be your first and last accident with this car tongue.gif


QUOTE(inoitu @ Apr 25 2011, 07:05 PM)
BLM using cam chain?  1st. model using cam belt, is it not?
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All the BLMs, pre-FL or not are mechanically identical, save the 1.6 taxi model. I should think all of them use a timing belt.


QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 25 2011, 08:44 PM)
And my radiator fan won't turn off. Waited some 10 minutes and it's still running doh.gif
Oh dear. Could the mechanic have forgotten to install some sensor?


QUOTE(SiuYi @ Apr 25 2011, 10:31 PM)
my dad just called me up, our BLM got into some serious issue this morning. car left undriven for 3 days, then this morning cannot start. not about the battery, but the piston of the engine. mechanic came and put some WD40 at the piston ring there, few attempts to ignite, the engine move. mechanic says this issue is not new, there's an FL at our place, just on the road for 2 weeks, same issue like our 3 yo BLM. we did not proceed to COE for the warranty claim coz our ride is 3 yo, and we did not service at COE, and as well as using our self-brought engine oil for every treatment at the authorized SC.
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This is really weird rclxub.gif


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Thanks for the pic. Quite a difference eh? Our BLM's stock ride and handling is pretty decent but I really wished it has less roll. Maybe this should be my next upgrade icon_idea.gif

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post Apr 25 2011, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 25 2011, 11:05 PM)
seems so? i have no idea if it was connected or not in the first place ><
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It won't turn off after you've switched off the ignition, is that right?
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post Apr 26 2011, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Apr 26 2011, 10:51 AM)
car fixed

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apparently the radiator fluid was low. foreman refilled and now it's fine biggrin.gif
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So careless ah, your mechanic doh.gif What if your engine had overheated? shakehead.gif
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post Apr 27 2011, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(fesick @ Apr 26 2011, 06:05 PM)
update : petronas 95 xtra : 30 L = 350km, but yesterday i pump again 30 L oil go vomit lar, i think my oil level indicator inaccurate?
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Why do you think your gauge is inaccurate? When the warning light is blinking you should be able to add 29-30 L, the rest is reserved and unrepresented on the gauge.

QUOTE(SiuYi @ Apr 26 2011, 10:12 PM)
memang more nipis the oil more tappet sound la..summore you are not advice to use full syn for ur BLM. doing that u will damage ur engine rather than having a better engine. for safe, just stay with 15-40 or 10-30 (like what u reviewed).
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I'd like to know exactly how synthetic oil can damage the engine. If it was so the SC wouldn't have given me synthetic on my request (15w50) during my 10k km service last month.

QUOTE(jacq330 @ Apr 26 2011, 10:22 PM)
aiya, my fc RM55-RM60 only manage to climb till 230-240KM only.. is it bcos de car still need??

btw, do u guys face the prob..?? Auto.. from gear 1 to gear 2 need very long time just can switch, i mean to switch from gear 1 to gear 2..

Especially when the engine is cool.. is harder to switch..

and also.. the aircon will auto cut off and come out with warm air? few second for warm air.. any? the cold temp i already put at quite max..
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Ouch, that's quite bad. Recently I've been hitting ~420 km on ~RM 60 (~33 L). Try and aim for at least 300 km after your car gets run in. That should be quite reasonable.

And your problem is one of the reasons why I vow that for as long as I can I'd avoid owning an automatic. Too little control is left in the hands of the driver.

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post Apr 27 2011, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(omara86 @ Apr 27 2011, 06:32 AM)
@Lhwj - 15w50 is recommended for our climate, doesnt matter mineral, semi or fill synth, thing that matter is the viscosity value..

10w40
15w40
15w50

Anything around that number... We dun hav winter here so juz disregard the number before W... The lightest for our climate is 30 but not for small displacement engine, like our beloved BLM...
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QUOTE(omara86 @ Apr 27 2011, 07:40 AM)
sos kicap tamin: http://www.carbibles.com/viscosity.html#ixzz1KGhqaJJe

the conclusion for us in malaysia with hot climate is, use high viscosity oil so it wont get too thin in high temp and cause losing pressure..
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Thanks for the info.

QUOTE(SiuYi @ Apr 27 2011, 10:13 AM)
lhwj
why not full syn? coz too thin for our 1.3 campro. if ur using campro cps, then no issue. regarding technical reasons, i duno much. i just know reviews of using full syn, our BLM will lost its power and as well as heating up fast, tappet sound louder than usual. full syn is no no for our BLM if u love ur ride.
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Um, but according to Omara's explanation above, it's the viscosity that matters, not the type of oil? Is it because thin oils like 0w30 are only / mainly available in synthetic and you're referring t those? I can understand if you say fully synthetic is a waste of a money (because semi is just as good?), but to say that it will damage the engine is quite a serious allegation when on the contrary the advantage of synthetic oil is supposed to be superior protection. So would you agree with me that thin synthetic oil like 0w30 is no good but the 15w50 provided to me by the SC is actually okay?

QUOTE(synex @ Apr 27 2011, 08:52 AM)
shocking.gif  shocking.gif 420km?? My 1st full tank only reached 240km and i'm driving a manual type. I noticed the car rev quite high or just maybe mine is still very new? Less than 2 weeks and haven't done the 1000km service. What is you guys car's rpm when then car is not moving?? Mine is at 1.8k and i think it is consider high. Can lower down? Please advice.  smile.gif
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Mmm 1800 RPM is very high, my car, like Omara's idles at about 1000+ when cold and just below 1000 when warmed up.

You must be doing very heavy traffic driving to get 240 km on a full tank. When my car was brand new, for the first two months I'd fill exactly 25 litres (instead of filling it full) each time and I can remember even then I'd get at least 300 km out of the 25 litres. 100% Penang island traffic.

Here's how I get 400+ on one tank:

1. Switch off engine at red lights.

2. Shift gears up very quickly and keep revs low.

QUOTE(lhwj @ Apr 25 2011, 10:57 AM)
Actually the difference between my past few tanks is not so much speed, but acceleration. Keeping a light foot means accelerating slowly (less than 2k RPM in city driving tongue.gif) and changing gears up very fast. Typically, 1st just to get started, 2nd until 20 km/h, 3rd 20-40, 4th 40-60 and 5th 60+ onwards. Eventually I'd still end up going as fast as the road conditions will safely allow me to go, I really can't stand driving slowly anyway sweat.gif

But yeah, driving slowly does not give you better FC. You end up wasting more fuel because of the longer time you take to cover the distance. So my conclusion is, for best FC, drive fast but accelerate slowly. But if you accelerate kaw kaw, you still don't lose much anyway whistling.gif +0.5 L/100 km in my case. I feel your traffic conditions affect your FC, more than anything else.

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Depending on how fast the traffic is accelerating I'd shift up even earlier. 4th gear at 35 km/h and 5th gear at 50. This is only for flat roads, or downhill. If you're going uphill you need to drag the gear longer or else the engine will struggle.

3. Find alternative routes to avoid traffic jams. Nowadays I use a long way to go home, it adds 7 km to my journey but the traffic is free flowing all the way and there's only two major traffic lights but without long queues.

4. Coast a lot, in gear. There's no need to keep stepping on the throttle when your car has enough momentum to coast till the end of a queue at a traffic light.

I think your high FC is due to the tuning and it should be back to normal when they fix it at your 1,000 km service.

On the other hand if you're idling at 1,800 RPM it must be pretty impossible to stall the car when moving off tongue.gif

QUOTE(areola @ Apr 27 2011, 10:58 AM)
Hey guys, I am about to reach 1000km mileage. Is it recommended to go slightly above or below 1k when go service?
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It doesn't really matter. I'd try to go the moment it reaches 1,000 km but there's no harm if you exceed a bit. I went at 1700+ km and the SC didn't say anything whistling.gif

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Thanks for the clarification, guys.
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post May 3 2011, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(JiJai @ May 3 2011, 08:51 AM)
yo morning,

so BLMers, should someone asks you for BLM's advantages over Myvi, what would you tell that person?

-price
-boot space
-reliability (probably about the same)
-fuel consumption (if comparing auto vs auto, but manual BLM is decent, I can testify)
-maintenance (don't know)
-after sales service (don't know)
-looks (subjective, but I thought Malaysians prefer sedan over hatchback)
-resale value (but who cares if you're going to keep it for long term use, besides the Myvi is already RM 6k more expensive than the equivalent BLM model)

comparing a 1.3L for both, in these categories, where does BLM prevail over Myvi?
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And I would add three more:

- Value for money

- Safety (strong chassis > ABS) , and finally,

- Ride and handling brows.gif


QUOTE(omara86 @ May 3 2011, 07:27 AM)
morning BLMers
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'morning, sir notworthy.gif

QUOTE(omara86 @ May 3 2011, 09:09 AM)
Myvi win for low engine noise...
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You know, I always ask my passengers, whether my engine is noisy. To my surprise they always say, "no, no, it's very quiet" whistling.gif (100% stock car with no extra soundproofing). And lots of my passengers are Myvi owners too laugh.gif

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post May 4 2011, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 3 2011, 09:25 PM)
it's quiet not becuz of soundproof
it's consider quiet becuz proton install a hell of a stereo system in this car to cover up the noise
they cut soundproof...use that money to install a very good stereo system
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But my radio is off most of the time. Especially if I have passengers. Cos we like to talk tongue.gif

Speaking of fuel consumption your traffic must be really terrible. If I drive carefully I can get ~420 km on RM 60 / 33 L. 100% Penang island traffic. Achieved on both Caltex and Petronas (Pre-Primax 95 Xtra).

And my tyres, well I like to overinflate a bit. 35 PSI in front and 33 behind.

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post May 10 2011, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(mdineshp @ May 9 2011, 10:42 PM)
guys, I am planning to buy the saga FL auto.
How is the fuel consumption?
anyone with some real life figures? city and highway?
thanks!
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Look here. Beware of unrealistic figures, some people are not entering their data properly. Select Metric in the top left corner to view the figures in L / 100 km.


QUOTE(omara86 @ May 10 2011, 12:01 AM)
My latest consumption: 17.177km/L

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Very nice!! thumbup.gif rclxms.gif

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post May 15 2011, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(izwanz @ May 15 2011, 01:13 PM)
can share what is FC from KL to Png? Top stable speed?
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I get roughly 7.8-8.8 L/100 km, never leaving Penang island. Manual tranny. On the highway I'd expect maybe 7.0? I haven't had the chance to do a trip to KL yet (only once when the car was brand new).

Top stable speed varies with the wind. There was once I was driving to Sg Petani in the evening, at 5-6 pm. Couldn't push beyond 120 km/h. But the next morning at 8 am on the same stretch I managed to hit 150+. Still very stable thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ May 15 2011, 02:36 PM)
it's all abt the crosswind
this car isn't aerodynamic enough
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Yup, it's just too tall. I noticed the trees were fluttering during the evening drive but in the morning they were still.
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post May 17 2011, 12:04 AM

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Just set my best consumption so far tonight: 7.6 L/100km or 13.11 km/L. It's also the furthest I've travelled on one tank rclxms.gif

Distance: 438 km
Quantity: 33.407 L
Fuel: Petronas Primax 95 Xtra.

I'd say 50% slow highway (between 60-90 km/h) and 50% city traffic. Never left Penang island brows.gif





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