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gsshaw
post Oct 18 2012, 12:52 PM

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I'm after a new Media Player but I can't work out the key differences between the C-300 and A-300 / A-400 will there be a C-400?
Any comparison chart anywhere?

I'm after (MINIMUM): USB 3, Gigabyte LAN, for copying movies quickly from LAN Networked PC's.

I like the idea of Fully Automated Networked Media Jukebox Creation but my previous experience with my current AC RYAN PlayON HD ACR-PV73100 has been appauling (I will Never buy an AC Ryan Product ever again)

I like the idea of a built in Blu-Ray Player to clear some of the CD-DVD players from around the TV but can you back-up a Blu-Ray to an ISO or similar?

When is A-400 due in? http://www.popcornhour.com don't even list it, but I'm guessing the Sigma Design Dual Core processor will be a huge boost to performance?

PM me some prices and recomendations, please.
gsshaw
post Oct 25 2012, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(ghane @ May 22 2012, 11:46 PM)
The internal HDD controller chipset for the PCH (and similar players) is extremely slow.  This is for two reasons:

1. Cost of chipset
2. Power (remember, all power you consume becomes heat)

As such, there is no way you will get more than a few MB (I estimate 5 MB/s, 50Mb/s) in actual read/write speed to the disk.  There simply isn't enough horsepower there, and insufficient use of NCQ, etc.

Why is this not a problem, normally?  Think of the files you play.  A 720p movie, 90 mins, is 2GB.  So you need 22MB/min read speed.  That is MUCH LESS THAN 1MB/s !!!!  (Sorry for shouting. but this is critical).  Compare this to the 5MB/s that you can achieve.  You have enough headroom for even your 10GB movie rips.

So in normal practice, when using the PCH as a media player, disk speed is so low a constraint that you would not even bother to benchmark.  That is why it makes no difference if you have a 10000RPM Raptor, or a cheap USB dongle, for playing your BR Rips. 

(And this is the entire point of x264, mp4, etc.  We are using compression to lower the physical bit rate required).

However, if you use the PCH as a NAS, and start expecting it to serve your 200MB photoshop.psd file, you WILL hit speed bumps.

You may achieve 20MB/s over the network interface (I have my doubts, the Gigabit chip is being run in a low-power mode as well), but there in no place for the PCH to write a 20MB/s stream to.

(And by the way, most nome NAS boxes also claim Gigabit interfaces, but their disk access speed is poor. )

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This has been an enlightning explanation, thanks, I must click your reputation.

Let me get this right, even though Popcorn and all the others claim Gigabit interface they will never be able to achieve it?

What frustrates me most is having what is supposed to be a Gigabit NAS Media Player which when I try to copy movies from my Network PC via wired LAN using SAMBA or similar to the Internal HD on the Media Player it takes forever.

By the way, I personally don't have a Gigabit Media player at the moment I have an old AC Ryan PlayOn HD, ACR-PV73100 which I have really regretted buying, in simple terms it has never done everything AC Ryan claimed, again the most frustrating thing being the Network / SAMBA interface. Forget things like YAMJ the network speed is far to slow, forget copying large 1GB plus movie files over the Network, overnight at best, mostly crashes.
My friend has the PlayOn HD 2 and it seems no better except the GUI is faster / more stable.

That being said I am looking for a new Media Player but from what I'm reading here nothing on the market now or being released soon will meet my specific requirements, namely Gigabit transfer of files over the network from a network PC to an Internal Media Player HDD, right?

Seems like like I need a seperate HDD, WD My Book Essential or similar, except I don't know of one with BOTH USB (2 or 3) AND LAN, the LAN to copy stuff from the Network PC and the USB to be conected to the Media Player. Any suggestions?



gsshaw
post Oct 31 2012, 10:07 PM

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I hear the price for A-400 will be circa = RM999/=
Sounded a bit over my budget, even a C400 at RM 999.00 would be stretching my budget unless it had a HDD and / or BluRay Player already installed.

Anyway maybe they will re-think the price when they launch.

This post has been edited by gsshaw: Nov 1 2012, 07:01 PM
gsshaw
post Nov 1 2012, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(go4pch @ Nov 1 2012, 05:24 PM)
I'm a bit confusing.... rclxub.gif You PM me for the price but you posted here.
I never mentioned anything about C-400.
Wonder what is your intention?

Please do your home work before commenting. Sorry if I get you wrong.

Thank you very much.
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No sorry, no 'intention' accidentally hit a post instead of a PM to csyow331.

Correct, you did not mention anything about a C-400, I was just extending the principle of there being a A-300 >> C-300 and presumed at some stage there would be a A-400 >> C-400. I liked the additional features of the C version.

I will have to do my homework, nothing much to compare the A-400 to at the moment, so I guess that alone explains....
Found a link if anyone wants a nice neat hard copy of the A-400 spec: A-400 PDF Brochure

I was trying to say if it was a 'C' spec at RM 999 it would still stretch my budget but I'd probably buy anyway.
Sorry no offence intended, still think the A-400 is a superb 'Ferrari / Rolls' spec, I just need to have a budget to match!

Talking about competition, actually competition is not the right word, it's not even in the same game, is it true AC RYAN are BANKRUPT!
Good luck with warranty if you thinking of buying one of their products, they were bad enough when they were in business.
AC RYAN Bites the Dust!

There is saying "I know you heard what I said, but did you understand what I meant" so I edited the post to better say what I meant!

This post has been edited by gsshaw: Nov 2 2012, 12:25 PM
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post Nov 8 2012, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(go4pch @ Nov 8 2012, 02:38 PM)
Depend on your budget. Popcorn Hour come with all great models.

200 series: an old model still playing well
300 series: consider new model, faster processor speed and new UI
400 series: new model, new chip, dual-core processor, vxp and support Blu-Ray 3D.

I would personally recommend "C" type model for their expandability + front LCD/LED + more USB ports.

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Yep I'm saving up for a C-400 when it is released!
I know if I go for the A-400 it will be out sooner but sticking a Blu-Ray / HD in the unit really appeals to clear all the clutter from around the TV.
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post Nov 27 2012, 10:50 AM

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A-400 Only Available from November, 2012 onward !

When will it be available, Novembers nearly over?
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post Jan 7 2013, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jan 1 2013, 11:48 AM)
Everybody know what is the media player for. If they put a cinavia into it, that mean the player is useless. It is better grab the realtek player now before they too implement it in future. Sigh...

I just order a mede1000x3d player. It is realtek 1186. The best player at the moment.
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Yeah Cinavia in a Media player sounds like a contradiction?

Ok for those that don't know "Cinavia technology is used in Blu-ray Disc players to identify and limit the use of copies of these movies, television shows, and other professionally produced videos that have been made without the permission of the copyright owner."
Cinavia Web Site - Click Here

Now I would guess a high proportion of Media Player users are downloading movies from the Internet and want to store / play them. I'm not sure how many will use a 3TB hard drive to store 100% 'back-up' copies of movies for which they have genuine originals. Despite all the disclaimers the Media Player makers know this is the usage pattern of most of their customers. Having said that, the way I read it, Cinavia wont even let you play a back-up copy.

As I understand it Cinavia is a audible copy protection system and will even thwart those who CAM a movie in the theatre. I'm sure in the fullness of time someone will bring out something to strip out the Cinavia embedded codes or a Sigma SMP8911 'firmware' adjustment to ignore the alert or switch it off.

But in the meantime, if my understanding is right I would see limited use for a Cinavia equipped Media Player.
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post Jan 8 2013, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(go4pch @ Jan 8 2013, 10:53 AM)
To clear the air. A-400 do not have Cinavia Protection, that's precisely why full navigation is not supported.
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Mmmm I love the smell of clean air in the morning! Thanks for the clarification!

As I now understand it, Full Blu-ray Disk Navigation is where the menu looks EXACTLY as it does when you insert the Blu-ray into a Blu-ray player and has all the enhanced menu features / options AND CINAVIA security.
This would only be applicable if the Media Player had a Blu-ray player built in, or at the least the ability to add one, otherwise it serves no purpose.

Example:
The A-200 is only BDLite, no Blu-ray player no way of fitting one.
The C-200 is full BD playback for when you are playing a Blu-Ray disc in the Blu-Ray Player of the unit AND also an option for BDLite playback when you are playing a Blu-ray format / 'back-up' from a HDD.

Again as I now understand it, if you have for instance a AVI or MKV file on a HDD drive all this talk of menu's and CINAVIA is mute, irrelevant, does not apply, since you won't have any 'Menu' anyway. You will have basic REMOTE controls like pause, fast forward, rewind, continue, re-play but you will never get DISC BASED Menu options, things like Chapters, Play full movie, "how it was made special', 'Actor interviews', 'still photo's' etc.

As the A-400 like the A-200 has no Blu-ray player built in Full DB Playback would be pretty much pointless.
Please correct me if I'm wrong?

Would for instance an ISO back-up of a Blu-ray disc play / show full menu; played from NAS HDD on a A-400, I'm not sure?

 

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