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post Oct 16 2011, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(cindycute @ Oct 15 2011, 01:14 AM)
wow.. a lot ppl here having very high salary sad.gif. Jealous!!

Job Title : IT Executive
Job Desciption : Customer Services, System administrator, access control.
Years spent in company : 7+ months
Age : 26
Company : MNC
Industry :Oil and Gas
Tenure : Contract - HATE THIS!!!
Employment Level : Exec
Experience before joining : 1 year ++
salary : 2.5 K

** Will attend the interview for 3.5K salary next week (k laaarrr)
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That's pretty low for System Administration....are you hired as contractor directly under the O&G company or through agency?
If you're good at what you're doing....please look for another job as this is seriously underpaid.... sweat.gif
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post Oct 25 2011, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(fruitie @ Oct 25 2011, 02:20 AM)
Out of sudden, yesterday I was being called for a discussion with my bosses on my contract. As mentioned before I'm on contract basis, yearly renewal basis. smile.gif So, they told me they still couldn't get me a permanent headcount, despite have been trying for the past 2 years... sad.gif If I were to continue, that's going to be my third year as a contract staff. laugh.gif However, my benefits remain and they are the same (or about the same) as permanent.

They gave me two choices, to stay on my current role or move on to another new role. My current role has lesser emphasis on HR operational and the newer role offers me better challenges and it will look good on my CV as well for it is a pure 100% HR operational functional role.

With my current role, I still do some operational roles on and off though the involvement isn't that heavy. My bosses see the potential in me of taking up this new role. Though my heart wants to take up the offer but another part of myself feels reluctant to move on. I have been too comfortable in my current zone and that's how things quite sucked up actually! tongue.gif laugh.gif

Another reason for such reluctance is that if I were to take up this new role, I'll be no longer reporting to my current line manager, who has been a great mentor of mine ever since I was positioned under her supervision during my internship back in 2009. She has been my role model and taught me so many things and in fact she was the one recommended me to take up this new role. We both adapt to each other's working style, I know she is a perfectionist; so I always try to reach more than her expectation when comes to her tasks completion. She knows I prefer flexibility in doing my work and doesn't like the feeling to be monitored, she gives me reasonable deadline and allows me to start working at 10.00 a.m. every day. All in one, besides being the boss, she is like my elder sister in the office. She takes extremely good care of my welfare and well-being in the company. My big boss is also the same, another fine lady that doesn't treat us as her subordinates, more to her peers and doesn't show any bossy attitude. smile.gif

I have requested for some times to consider this and since I'll be away for the next whole week for a vacation, I will then use the opportunity to think thoroughly and to determine what I should do next.

Remuneration package hasn't been discussed, I know the new role will offer me higher increment compared to my current role. If finally I choose to continue with my current role, I will still be offered with increment. Though, I believe it won't be as high as the new role as the job scopes will not be that heavy. smile.gif

I'm quite in dilemma because the new role might make reporting to an expat in China, I don't know her that well. In fact, I have not spoken to her before, even virtually. sweat.gif Basically, she won't be physically stationed in Malaysia, so she will be supporting me remotely. Unlike the current boss, she is just sitting next to me...

Sorry for the long rant as I need to spill this out before I sleep. I couldn't really sleep well as both decisions are equal hard for me to take up. Currently package excludes other allowances is RM 3,500 basic. I'm actually expecting more than 4k this time, for both roles.
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fruitie, happy to hear that you're currently reporting to a good manager. But what's more important is to have personal goals and objectives.
eg: Does the job offer flexilibity? a good working environment? Satisfied with the remuneration, job scope? Any opportunity for training and development? Permanent employment?
Being in the confort zone for too long can be a stumbling block and it actually silentlyde motivates a person.

Adapt and adopt is a skill that you must pick up especially when you're working in an MNC. Remember, you can't be sticking to a manager and boss for the rest of your life. (If you want to then there's a serious problem with you). Working under a new manager doesn't mean your relationship with the previous manager ends. Always remember to stay connected, network and keep building on it....that's the way to succeed (needless to say that you need to perform at work which I think you are, reading from your post) and you'll never know one day you will work along with her side by side in the same rank smile.gif

And you're right about headcounts for permanent employee. This is a typical problem in MNC where headcounts are tightly controlled smile.gif
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post Oct 25 2011, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(potemkin @ Oct 25 2011, 02:02 PM)
Wah , seeing a lot of people's salary here makes mine feel really small at this age sad.gif

Age: 29
Job Title : Network Admin (despite having an engineer moniker besides i'd still call myself an admin)
Job Desciption : Network Operations
Years spent in company :8 months
Company : MNC
Industry : IT
Tenure : permanent
Employment Level : Executive
Experience before joining : 5 years
salary : RM 5800 + 1 month contractual
qualification: degree
benefits: Standard medical , transportation allowance (350) and standby.

Gotta upgrade myself by taking more certs and getting more exposure. Sadly i find the learning opportunities here is quite limited. Thinking of joining a vendor / SI back again since my previous job  was so much more interesting. Pay is small tho.

Seen one guy who is already an architect at my age , how did you progress to that post ? Interested in learning.
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I assume you're already having CCNA and CCNP? How about working towards CCIE? wink.gif
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post Oct 28 2011, 10:14 AM

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Congrats! and you can do it! Well there will always be other MNCs who appreciates talents and take learning and development seriously wink.gif
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post Oct 31 2011, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(kwaile @ Oct 31 2011, 11:26 AM)
Does loyalty pays?  My case

Age: 41
Job Title : Assistant Vice President
Tenure in company : 20 yrs (my first job here)
Company : Subsidiary of a PLC.
Industry : Financial Institution
Qualification: Diploma in Accountancy
Basic : 11k (starting salary was RM1,000 in 1991)
Allowances : RM500 fixed petrol allowance, RM200 mobile phone allowance
Other Perks : Loans + medical + dental + etc
Bonus: 2 - 10 months.  My rezeki, I got 8 months this year and 9 months last year.
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Not necessary in many of the MNC...with the Degree and MBA holders mushrooming and many with lots of experience smile.gif But I guess you're lucky to have a good employer.
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post Nov 2 2011, 09:37 AM

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Agree with kelvin_tan and hyzam1212. 5k is definitely not a lot even for a young family....besides the usual car and house loans, you have the additional diapers, milk powders, life insurance for breadwinner, saving education fund for kids etc.....if you're single without gf (or low maintenance gf), then earning 5k will be sufficient and you can have a semi luxury life if you don't save much smile.gif

hyzam1212, these cronies's base pay maybe 3K, but "allowances" and "side income" are 10k? LOL....

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post Nov 3 2011, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(okawa @ Nov 3 2011, 10:37 AM)
<danny_sp15>
after 3 years, got confirmation then you'll get UD43, starting RM3028.90, after allowances you'll get RM4828.90 smile.gif
Still good pay compares to others gov staff.
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wa....guarantee ke? Government staff's increment doesn't need to be based on KPI one? wink.gif
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post Nov 4 2011, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Nov 4 2011, 11:01 AM)
let's say I want to apply network/server support related jobs
let me revive this old question notworthy.gif
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normally it's 4k and above for L1 but with some experience required. So I guess you need to be really prepared for the interview and stand out among candidates who has previous experience...Why don't you try Internal Job transfer (I'm assuming you're working in the same company as I am since you're pretty active in that thread wink.gif )
I have seen many people that got transferred from Service Desk to Back office support (Wintel, Unix, Network) and I personally know a few of them who have progressed well in their career today smile.gif

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post Nov 5 2011, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Nov 4 2011, 02:24 PM)
lol already throw letter liao

few reasons

- without a fulltime job, I got more time to concentrate in studying for the courses mentioned
- feel that current job is a waste of time, although I can flip the e-book during work hours, but that greatly impact the efficiency
- current salary is not that high, so I can afford to risk losing them for few months without hurting much

And also, for internal job transfer, talk is easy, but after seeing how things going here, I got the feeling that its harder than applying from outside smile.gif

I won't demand RM4k from the start, got RM3k above as the basic, I am more than happy.. for as long as it is higher than current base pay
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Well what I was referring to is to officially apply for the job in the Internal Job portal. Not just discussing with your manager who usually pay lip service. It actually works if you qualify for the job and provided your boss is willing to release you. But since you've tendered , all the best smile.gif



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post Nov 6 2011, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(genXYZ @ Nov 6 2011, 01:52 PM)
Yes, it's underpaid, that's why i want to jump out from this hell. I understand, if i can't perform, then i deserve for that scale of salary, but i manage to finish the project in time, able to work independently or in team, have a good rapport with team and client (not my intention too be proud just want to explain my situation). smile.gif

Sorry if it's off topic.
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it's perfectly fine to be proud of your achievements smile.gif just keep working on your next jump ASAP or else you'll continue to be in "hell".. like many others, I don't understand why they keep on winning but refuse to act on it and keep getting exploited willingly smile.gif
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post Nov 7 2011, 12:44 PM

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I think for a programmer , number of years are taken into consideration but definitely not the deciding factor. It all depends on the language you know, platform you've implemented it and hoe good you are.. I'm work in IT line but unfortunately don't have any accurate salary info on experienced programmers..sorry wink.gif

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post Nov 8 2011, 12:19 AM

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LOL...do we have any CEO in the house?
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post Nov 9 2011, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(Rawraw @ Nov 9 2011, 01:43 PM)
qualification : BA degree (hons) hospitality management
Job Title :Sales Exec (senior 2yr)
Job Desciption : indoor sales (and now since my outlet don't have Sup they put me as acting so they have someone to shoot)
Years spent in company : 2yr
Exp before joining : 1yr+
Company : one of the telco
Location:KL
Industry : telco
Tenure : Contract (this is the weird part, first when i join, as i sign the confirmation letter, it state that i was a confirm staff and nothing mention about being a contract staff, suddenly after 1yrs plus,  vmad.gif !$@%#&^* it say all the staff been change to contracted .. O.O, i try to rectified with HR it say that it never mention that we are permanent staff either, WHAT THE TOOT doh.gif  :  ....they have been changing staff )
Employment Level : Exec ( or i think it is cause recently it change again, receive a letter stating that i was a non exec lv =.=)
salary : RM1k (basic) + 300 perf incen + 200 loyalty the rest is base on commission (again it been change recently with margin lowered by around 50% or lower shocking.gif  shocking.gif  shocking.gif )
working hrs :  depend on shift morning 10-7 noon 1-10 full 10-10 (6day)
benefits: medical,
increments : it solely by discretion of the company (nope never seen it)
standard bonus : base on performance 1 or 2
kinda frustrated .....  rclxub.gif  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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If it is true that the offer letter that you signed states that you're a permanent employee, then you can take legal action on them...but the thing is, are you really sure? smile.gif Many don't bother to read and main sign only....
Salary is kinda low for a degree holder....but again, I don't understand why do people like to go for Hospitality management courses, and most of them ended up doing sales job....
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QUOTE(umei @ Nov 13 2011, 10:39 AM)
Job title: Graphic designer
Age: 22
Job Description : Design anything, photography, abit data entry, registration girl when got event
Years spent in company : 1 year and 2 months
Experience before joining: Half year in fashion house different industry
Company : House Restaurant ( A restaurant that focus on doing function and event )
Location: KL
Industry : Food and BEVERAGE
Tenure : permanent

salary : RM 1.8k plus Rm200 Allowance
benefits: medical claim
increments :unknown
bonus: No

Whenever got event I got to work from morning till 10 something at night, event is just taking normal photo of the event.Weekend depends if got big event they will ask me go and help, most of celebration day I usually work OT, no pay, just provide a meal. I stay at kepong I din drive to work, coz the parking there is expensive and very heavy traffic too, usually I took train. But my lady boss always treat me good meal.

Any suggestion guys? To be honest I dislike the environment because it git bar area and alot of smoking, I been smelling 2nd hand smoker for 1 year.
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Extremely low salary, average of 12 working hours a day,No OT and a nice meal is enough to buy you over? What do you mean by any suggestion guys? Question back to you is why are you still there when you know you are being exploited? :/


Added on November 13, 2011, 1:26 pmYour concern may be you're a fresh grad (I suppose?) and you want to gain more experience first..but don't settle for employers that exploits...12 hours a day, and no OT on your personal time on Saturday is simply unacceptable ...even for a fresh graduate

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post Nov 22 2011, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Nov 22 2011, 12:20 PM)
I'm just curious...
Earning 4k+ per month at age 25, I believe you can save and invest a lot for future =)
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4k at 25 is nothing to shout about these days...if you're a fresh graduate, you just need to look at the right place, improve your softskills and keep building your network...anyway, 1 house and 1 car enough to squeeze you dry already with a 4k pay cheque... remaining little more for living expenses, savings, some reasonable entertainment and money to give to parents....


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post Nov 22 2011, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(kelvin_tan @ Nov 22 2011, 05:49 PM)
@justinnys
While you are right RM4k+ pay is nothing to shout about these days, how many people actually get it at age 25? Not to say it isnt achievable but its not like "normal" unless he's adding in all his benefits as well.

RM4k+ at that age is decent. Also set the realistic expectations that nobody gets rich at that age (by working for others) to be able to afford bungalows and mercedez while still can got plenty of spare cash to spend.
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I agree with you. Of course your example of bungalows and Mercedes Benz is funny and definitely not the standard smile.gif I was actually responding to a post earlier that views 4k at 26 as something fascinating and like what you've mentioned , unfortunately that not many people are earning 4k at 26. It's not that they do not have the potential but many:

1. Don't understand (or don't bother to understand) the marketplace before they join the workforce.

2. Don't network and don't understand the importance of networking.

3. Don't have short term and long term career goals. Without them, action plan could not be formed around those goals.

4. Refuse to go back to the books to add value to themselves.

There's a saying, It's easier to get there when you know where you want to get to.

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post Nov 22 2011, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Nov 22 2011, 08:28 PM)
Agreed with you Kelvin.

Not many fresh grad can earn RM4k (plus allowance) these days. Majority of them (be it engineer, admin, account, audit etc) have starting pay of RM2500 or maximum RM3000 per month. Fresh grads who do sales, you can reach RM3000+ per month (included commission).

Maybe justinnys is coming from rich family? Or he hasn't graduated yet? Just kidding...  tongue.gif
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LOL..I'm so young? I'll take it as a compliment! tongue.gif

Yes, it's pretty hard for Fresh grad to get that amount as many companies even MNC are offering 2-3k for a start. (Probably higher for Management trainee at a good MNC) But with good planning, networking (eg: Linkedin) some good recruitment contacts with a little luck, you can break out of the norm.
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post Nov 22 2011, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(this.ia.a.ball @ Nov 22 2011, 02:31 PM)
walao!! HR earn so high 1.. i think is my thinking is correct la last time. HR ppl need higher pay cos they know everyone salary then can compare. If get little salary maybe will jealous if compare others
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I'm sorry but that has gotta be the funniest statement I've seen here. Kinda shallow impression you have on HR... sleep.gif" HR is a very Important function which does more than hiring and payroll...such as Talent management, employee engagement, etc
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QUOTE(fruitie @ Nov 22 2011, 10:25 PM)
I agree Linkedin is a good start for fresh grads to build up their profiles. smile.gif

I do agree 4k+ at the age of 25 is seriously nothing amazing. If the engineers in my company can earn at least 6k or more (if they travel to overseas) at the age of 25, I find mine rather puny.

I don't complain as the nature of our works is so different. Since I have chosen this field, I'll work hard to progress further.

I'm now working towards the HR consultancy area and that's the new trend of HR. We don't focus on those payroll and other petty stuffs anymore, as these are heavily outsourced to third party. We are working towards the goal to be HR business partner.

I believe in every field, there are still many rooms for improvement. The problem is, will you move on and accept the challenge?
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post Nov 22 2011, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Nov 22 2011, 11:05 PM)
What do you mean by short term and long term career goals?
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Let's take IT as an example since I'm familiar with this line smile.gif
Say you started your career as IT onsite technician..


Short term goal (1-2 years): Move to a more technical and specialized role. So in order to reach there, you take on technical certification, be good at it and add value to yourself. Make sure every job change compliments your goal in your career advancement.

Long term goal (5 years): Management role or Subject matter expert. Use several short term goals to gradually get here. Perform well in your field with lots of networking. Keep on seeking opportunities and have a training and development plan to keep adding value to yourself.

By knowing what you want and setting goals, it's easier to plan what you need to do in order to get there.

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