May I know something, why are you talking about yourself here. No one asks for your life history and I never say one with other degree where there are many holder of it can't get high salary.. But you are the ignorant person who would say the demands and supply doesn't effect the salary.. If you wan't to argue. Just argue, don't come and tell I am this, this and this and I am great. It doesn't mean what you tell is right. This situation is similar like a teacher telling student '1+1 is 3' When any student argues, she will say 'I have been teaching math for 10 years, so just listen.'

I am not telling you are wrong.. If you are right and I am wrong tell me.. show me.. give evidence or anything until I close my mouth, once what you are telling is perfectly correct you can explain it and bring me down until no more word comes out from me.. don't just tell others 'this young boy have high ego, he will learn the hard way and etc..' You are the one in the clouds, since you are a professional senior.. you tell others how great you are... and everyone comes to support you (oo, this guy is great and what he says is the word of god) in order to make me looks like a immature little boy.. lol.. I can't stand some professional coward like you trying to use 'WHO YOU ARE' to win a arguement..

Please do not talk much on what you don't know... then when you are out of point you come and tell I am the GREAT and what I say is true... hmm.. and again after this you are going to reply 'you are the stupid boy, you don't even finish a level..' or you post I am not going to reply to this guy.. he is immature while I am a professional senior..' (without nothing, no explanation... )

This is because you have high EGO you are the ONE>> and try as much possible to win this... lol... laughable.. you clearly showed you are desperate to win me by stating HOW GREAT YOU ARE.. in few past posts.. haha.. I have seen so many of 'your' type guys.. sorry, UNCLES...

You have high knowledge on what you are doing.... YOU ARE SUPERB, i agree.. but not in actuarial.. and when most of the jobs seems the same, you generalize everything including actuarial science... without proper knowledge.. PLEASE.... don't make assumptions.. if you really know then talk.. with perfect reasoning..

haha.. ONE THING I KNOW YOU HAVE HIGH EGO NOT TO LOSE TO A YOUNG GUY LIKE ME......

So lets continue... haha.. i m sure you are going to make many more bad conclusions on me... as you are the SUPER DUPER INTERNATIONAL LINKED GREAT SPLENDID SENIOR OFFICER... i salute you

It may affect and it may not affect. If u use supply and demand theory to depict payscale, then u might get this scenario:

In jobstreet, I apply for a Network engineer position at YTL comm. For 346 applicant, 250 demand salary higher than me, 31 same and 65 lower.

I put RM2.5K for my starting salary. So, according to supply and demand theory, I need to lower my demand so that I look more appealing to the employer that may have only 6~10 vacancies.

My bigger question: Are actuarial science job are specific only to actuarial science degree holder? If not, then you have to compete with engineers, DESPERATE engineers that are more versatile and flexible in natures. Im not saying AS degree is not good but engineers can do good shit too

with this kind of attitude, if i were the employer, i'll fire u right on the spot.

Lately, I come to this thread just to read this AS boy comments with know it all attitude.. LOL it's amusing

Many of us here might not be as successful as cybermaster98, but we can assure you that we're at the position to totally agree with what he wrote because of our experience in our working culture individually.

Yeah, you will definitely learn it the hard way, good luck!!

YAWN!

Spoken like a true kid. Bravo.

I think u have realised that u worked yorself into a corner. Must be difficult trying to get out of it now eh? The supporters i have here are not supporting me at all. They are supporting simple facts which any working professional with experience will know.

Ure just frustrated cuz ure getting hammered by most of the seniors here. But guess what? U dug yor own grave and u nailed in all the bolts. U reap what u sow. U came in here with the Mr Know It All Attitude and u thought u got bulldoze your wikipedia facts down our throats and in the end u got thrashed by a number of ppl here. We told you nicely and explained clearly. If u have short term memory go back a few pages and read through the various comments.

But u still held on to your egoistic approach. I have a strong belief in 1 thing and that is when u have a problem with 1 or 2 ppl, u may say its their fault but when the majority are against you then you need to take a good hard look at yorself.

Whatever ive said was spoken based on experience which sadly u dont have. I dont have an ego and i have no worries about 'losing' to anybody. If a kid corrects my mistake i will gladly apologise and correct myself in future. Thats the best way to learn. But in this case, i dont see how any of your arguments can hold up against anything. U are the one living in your fantasy wikipedia world and many others here have repeated this stand.

Are they all wrong as well? Go figure.

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Added on June 19, 2012, 11:20 pmThe real question here is, with this attitude, will he get the job in the first place?

Oh i forgot. He thinks that his AS degree automatically gets him a 5 figure salary if he passes the exams.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jun 20 2012, 01:44 AM

I had interview lot of fresh grad candidate, some like to talk & argue, but sadly they can't perform & know nothing. Some candidate just quite but won't give much excuse, & honestly tell what they know & their experience.

I'm sure lot of seniors & managers who read these threat will shake their head. From the response, they will know what attitude & how he/she will do their work. Some people just never know how to deal with peoples & learn from others. NO seniors & managers like staff with bad attitude, not follow instruction & always argue.

These day fresh grad candidate though with a degree they deserve to be someone in the company. That is the reason why so many unemployed grad in the job market.

I have few junior friends which are big talker looking for job, I don't see they are a performer nor hard work person, just a good talker. Even my company got vacancy, but it will be a shame to recommend them to my peer.

This post has been edited by conqu3ror: Jun 19 2012, 11:59 PM

If he wan to talk abt FACTS, lets start here.

as we said before, degree just in entry ticket(maybe is VIP seat if compare with SPM cert). Same with AS degree, they still need to take some professional papers if you wish to get 5 digits paid easily.
There have a lot AS degree holder in the market, but how many of them is a recognize AS professional by actuarial body? Try to google more and u will find out the FACTS. And try to find out the number of Actuary Professional in malaysia. U will get shock of the figures (<100 in few years ago, not sure is it got any improvement. ).

You oso can find out the FACTS from FIA, SOA or CAS website. All the best to you.

Edited: Forgot to mention that not only AS degree holder can taking the AS professional papers, others degree/certification with specific requirement also can taking this paper.

This post has been edited by kjtan3: Jun 20 2012, 12:23 AM

YES.. and with such few people are available.. if one get to become a qualified actuary.. (why can't) he will get very high pay... as the demand is higher than supply.... and our professional senior denies it..

Answer this question: If u have some of the required papers in your AS degree and zero experience but u have an attitude that stinks so bad that the interviewer realises it during the interview, would you still be offered a 5 digit salary paying job?

A simple yes or no answer will do. No need for lengthy explanations.

Btw, i didnt mention this earlier but i have a close Malaysian associate who is AS qualified and she works with Shell Norway. She was a brilliant student at Heriot-Watt University in Edinburgh, UK which was the first uni in UK to offer Actuarial Science. I did have a chat with her the other day and sent her the link to this forum. She actually laughed at what u said and she said the same thing that you will learn the harsh reality of AS only when u actually start studying for it and subsequently working in that field.

So u see, i dont actually speak without checking my facts.


This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jun 20 2012, 01:39 AM

at jobstreet I saw that certain jobs require working experience like for example 2 years or so.. my question is, Is freelance counted as working experience?

*note that the projects undertaken are related to the specific field.

I'm sorry guys,i just don't understand why you all are so worked up to convince this boy.Just let him believe what he wants to believe.

Worked up?

We're having fun!

In most field, freelances are not a proper working experience. But of course you can quote your freelance experience during the interview, whether you able to shortlisted & get the job, all depends to the company & the interviewer.

Anyway, please ensure those experience are related & relevant. Such as if you apply a Admin/HR job, it will be silly to tell the interviewer you have few years experience in Road Show & Promoter.

Is RM999.99 also considered 5 digits salary? Maybe he deserves this 5 figures salary with this kind of attitude. Agree anyone? LOL

Attitude is the key leads to successful life.

No point debating with him as he's still in comfort zone. He will thank you guys when the facts hit hard on his face when he starts working

BTW, can I do a rough survey here on whether you guys get a reasonable increment this year? Especially those who are in MNC.

Generally i think annual increments would be in the region of 5-10% for Malaysians in MNC's. But there are many individual cases of high increments which are due to positional change or high performance. My increment for this year was about 35% but due to the 2 factors mentioned earlier not just due to performance.

But increments cannot be taken at face value and compared across board. Some companies may give low increments but higher bonus to offset higher monthly overhead costs.

But sadly, my company is having salary freeze until next year April due to economy crisis in Europe.

You work in banking or financial institute? How come Europe economy crisis be affected so much?

Nope, it's service industry for IT. Our headquarters are based on UK & Belgium (A merger comp) ... So demotivated already receiving this news

Please feel lucky that you job still secure. Or maybe is a good time for you to get another job?