Quill 7? mayb can treat me a lunch

I started my first job with 1k for the 1st 3 months

This post has been edited by Axell: Oct 24 2011, 11:50 AM

Agree with the statement above... I'm in my 4th company now... age 26 ,started working at age 22 .. Reason for change I was offered 50% extra of my current pay , that's why i decided to jump ship..
service desk line quite hard to climb up unless the boss is really keen on developing the agents otherwise is all up to the agent to chart his/her own
career path

This post has been edited by cherylds: Oct 24 2011, 02:28 PM

if u think 1st job on 1k is bad, try rm650 for clerical work 10 years ago in a local insurance company. i seriously wondered how i manage to survive on that pay, then of course, i didn't have to worry about rent and car. i stayed with parents, go to work using the public transport and my money is spent mainly on food and ciggies. mainly ciggies...

i'm amazed that after 10 years, the lowest grade clerical is still being offered rm850-900 in this day and age, no wonder it's so hard to hire nowadays.. fkn HR policies!

fuh~ lower than me . But i'm a business student, but work as it technician.... maybe the boss tought that i can't do it stuffs at that time somemore i'm fresh graduate but after 1 year, everything go smooth

This post has been edited by Axell: Oct 24 2011, 02:51 PM

majority all seems like quite high salary...
i m getting stress to get higher n higher n higher @.@

Just don feel butthurt, make sure ur income keep increasing

Tell me about that!! Main reason why I go to my office in KL Sentral once or twice per month. Food, parking etc is killing me softly

Out of sudden, yesterday I was being called for a discussion with my bosses on my contract. As mentioned before I'm on contract basis, yearly renewal basis. So, they told me they still couldn't get me a permanent headcount, despite have been trying for the past 2 years... If I were to continue, that's going to be my third year as a contract staff. However, my benefits remain and they are the same (or about the same) as permanent.

They gave me two choices, to stay on my current role or move on to another new role. My current role has lesser emphasis on HR operational and the newer role offers me better challenges and it will look good on my CV as well for it is a pure 100% HR operational functional role.

With my current role, I still do some operational roles on and off though the involvement isn't that heavy. My bosses see the potential in me of taking up this new role. Though my heart wants to take up the offer but another part of myself feels reluctant to move on. I have been too comfortable in my current zone and that's how things quite sucked up actually!

Another reason for such reluctance is that if I were to take up this new role, I'll be no longer reporting to my current line manager, who has been a great mentor of mine ever since I was positioned under her supervision during my internship back in 2009. She has been my role model and taught me so many things and in fact she was the one recommended me to take up this new role. We both adapt to each other's working style, I know she is a perfectionist; so I always try to reach more than her expectation when comes to her tasks completion. She knows I prefer flexibility in doing my work and doesn't like the feeling to be monitored, she gives me reasonable deadline and allows me to start working at 10.00 a.m. every day. All in one, besides being the boss, she is like my elder sister in the office. She takes extremely good care of my welfare and well-being in the company. My big boss is also the same, another fine lady that doesn't treat us as her subordinates, more to her peers and doesn't show any bossy attitude.

I have requested for some times to consider this and since I'll be away for the next whole week for a vacation, I will then use the opportunity to think thoroughly and to determine what I should do next.

Remuneration package hasn't been discussed, I know the new role will offer me higher increment compared to my current role. If finally I choose to continue with my current role, I will still be offered with increment. Though, I believe it won't be as high as the new role as the job scopes will not be that heavy.

I'm quite in dilemma because the new role might make reporting to an expat in China, I don't know her that well. In fact, I have not spoken to her before, even virtually. Basically, she won't be physically stationed in Malaysia, so she will be supporting me remotely. Unlike the current boss, she is just sitting next to me...

Sorry for the long rant as I need to spill this out before I sleep. I couldn't really sleep well as both decisions are equal hard for me to take up. Currently package excludes other allowances is RM 3,500 basic. I'm actually expecting more than 4k this time, for both roles.

@Fruitie
I wouldnt speak so highly about your boss in that sense because your PRIMARY AIM is to seek PERMANENT EMPLOYMENT.

However, your boss has been unable to help you there for the past 2 years.

Actually no, my primary aim wasn't looking for a permanent employment. If I do, I wouldn't have been here for 2 years.
I don't mind being a contract staff because I earn more than those in the market. I'm still young so contract or permanent isn't something important to me. Of course, if I were to be given a permanent employment, that will be much better. Else, I'm fine with it.
The structure of our organization is very matrix and dynamic, everything goes back to global level when it comes to headcount approval. I do know how tough it is because I'm in recruitment myself. It can go up to 3-4 levels for just for a mere small potato position.

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Added on October 25, 2011, 8:58 amOh ya, just to add on. My good life here surpasses the thought of being a contract staff. Seriously, nobody bothers and cares about my employment. My colleagues from other departments will pull me in for any activities and outings. That's the reason why I'm still here until today. The bonding among us is the primary reason and monetary is the secondary reason.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Oct 25 2011, 08:58 AM

fruitie, happy to hear that you're currently reporting to a good manager. But what's more important is to have personal goals and objectives.
eg: Does the job offer flexilibity? a good working environment? Satisfied with the remuneration, job scope? Any opportunity for training and development? Permanent employment?
Being in the confort zone for too long can be a stumbling block and it actually silentlyde motivates a person.

Adapt and adopt is a skill that you must pick up especially when you're working in an MNC. Remember, you can't be sticking to a manager and boss for the rest of your life. (If you want to then there's a serious problem with you). Working under a new manager doesn't mean your relationship with the previous manager ends. Always remember to stay connected, network and keep building on it....that's the way to succeed (needless to say that you need to perform at work which I think you are, reading from your post) and you'll never know one day you will work along with her side by side in the same rank

And you're right about headcounts for permanent employee. This is a typical problem in MNC where headcounts are tightly controlled

You will feel underpaid if your younger sibling who has a same profession but in a different field with much less experience get paid more than you ie construction vs OnG

@hyzam1212
In then end, you made your own bed so you gotta sleep in it. Whats there to feel underpaid? Each person is free to choose their own path in life.

Justin, thanks for the reply. Somehow whatever you have mentioned up there already crossed my mind. I was just being in denial actually. I knew the newer role gives me more exposure and it is a full set of HR spectrum. I believe that is what all junior HR practitioners are looking for, exposure.

I kept telling others to move out from comfort zone but I'm not doing that myself.

Yes, though I'll no longer reporting to her, we will still be supporting each other in our role, heavily in fact. Just that, knowing she might not have a say in my performance anymore, it hurts me a little bit. What's more when my new line manager will be just virtually available for me when I need her assistance.

Haha. About the same rank, this is what she has told me before too.

Anyway, I guess I need to move on and accept the second role.

This post has been edited by fruitie: Oct 25 2011, 10:38 AM

Yes, u r very right kelvin...but seeing how easy they can get a high-paid job without any fuss makes you feel it even more when you have family to support. Seeing other get more especially in your family with no commitment makes you think twice what the use of the experiences, fresh grad already can get more than us who has more than 5 years exp, how not to feel underpaid then?...In other hand its a very good motivation to improve own life though...

@hyzam1212,

I think its very simple and it all boils down to 2 facts:

1. Your contribution towards the company's bottom isn't significant
2. Your company has little appreciation towards human capital and is all about seniority.

Either way, if you think you're underpaid, you may present a case to your superiors and if they think the case is genuine, they will do something about it. But never stop building up your resume and keep improving your talent base and contacts.

@hyzam1212
Sorry, but in my opinion, its a bit of a butthurt situation for you. Why didn't you aim higher from the start? What have you done to deserve higher? No doubt OnG industry pays well but it isn't the only industry that pays well.

Why didnt you join an industry that pays well? Do you deserve the high pay? Plenty of questions one can ask you

If a fresh grad can beat your earnings when you have worked for 5 years, in my opinion (take no offense, but this is what I think):
a) The fresh grad is working overseas and earns more than you after conversion
b) The fresh grad graduated from Oxford, Harvard etc and got employed by the McKinsey, Boston Consulting, etc
c) You suck at your job which is why you are paid low and a fresh grad at OnG which starts off at a high basic got much higher than you
d) You chose interest over money (interest here referring to certain industries such as creative design, NGO's, etc)
e) You don't have a degree and you're being bullied at the moment.

Your last sentence is the best one, no doubt...

Correct, I agree with you...too much question to ask but none of your options fit the bill, unfortunately but well think there...actually I'm an engineer working in semi-gov construction industry, semi gov pay is good and very standard ala gomen pay if we compare within the industry with the benefits etc but when comparing the basic in GLC OnG company with less experience its a lot more plus benefits...Is it too far to compare nowadays between these fields with the same profession? My career progress is quite substantial in terms of pay when changing jobs and it can be consider as a good career move when comparing to the market of the same field whereas I can be consider good with what I'm doing. Maybe construction industry is not on par with OnG especially...I'm trying to aim high before taking the huge leap forward and may need some time but no doubt your guys opinions are really encouraging

Wah , seeing a lot of people's salary here makes mine feel really small at this age

Age: 29
Job Title : Network Admin (despite having an engineer moniker besides i'd still call myself an admin)
Job Desciption : Network Operations
Years spent in company :8 months
Company : MNC
Industry : IT
Tenure : permanent
Employment Level : Executive
Experience before joining : 5 years
salary : RM 5800 + 1 month contractual
qualification: degree
benefits: Standard medical , transportation allowance (350) and standby.

Gotta upgrade myself by taking more certs and getting more exposure. Sadly i find the learning opportunities here is quite limited. Thinking of joining a vendor / SI back again since my previous job was so much more interesting. Pay is small tho.

Seen one guy who is already an architect at my age , how did you progress to that post ? Interested in learning.

I assume you're already having CCNA and CCNP? How about working towards CCIE?