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Trony
post Jul 11 2011, 07:14 PM

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You should all consider drug free methods such as Linden Method, IMO their methods dwell deeply into the
mechanism of Anxiety Disorder and offer one of the best solution so far I can find to overcome it. smile.gif

http://www.panic-anxiety.com/

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post Jul 14 2011, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Roz @ Jul 14 2011, 02:41 AM)
I think looking for friends that have the same problem is more helpful. Like a support group  smile.gif
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On the contrary, you should avoid that, support group will actually backfired, you should avoid talking about your anxiety experience at all cost, maybe a few times to your close friends or family members but not after that, because anxiety thoughts are learned bad habits, it's harmless, worst case you will have panick attack but that is also harmless because it's a normal physical reaction of fear & adrenaline rush for fight-or-flight response to nonexistent danger, if you keep talking about it & be reminded about it constantly, your anxiety thoughts will become persistent & hard to shake off over time.

What you should do however is try to fill up your free times with positive activities such as sports, singing, listen to music, chitchat with friends (anything but anxiety stuff), hobbies etc, this will avoid your idling mind to wander into negative thoughts, when you practice these new habits constantly, you will unlearned your bad habits in no time. nod.gif

Be happy & No worry. biggrin.gif

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post Jul 21 2011, 01:55 AM

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QUOTE(Roz @ Jul 18 2011, 02:14 AM)
Hmm well for me, talking about my problems helps as it keeps me aware and motivate me to deal with the problem. But I guess different people have different ways of dealing with problems  smile.gif
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In the beginning it's perfectly ok to research your condition, seeking answers/infos/reasons to your condition & sharing your condition with your friends and family. Once you have understood your condition, you will know that you're not alone in this condition, you're just having unpleasant thoughts & feelings which are harmless, with these knowledge you will have less fear & more prepared to deal with it. nod.gif

To deal with it you may endure it if it's minor, but if your condition started to hamper your day-to-day life, you must then eliminate it by all means, anxiety elimination is a difficult & long journey, drug therapy is often the shortcut but it comes with side effects & short term relief, furthermore dosage will be increased for recurrences that often lead to addiction. sad.gif

When you're ready to eliminate your anxiety (drug free), your next step is to stop all your previous action of "research your condition, seeking answers/infos/reasons to your condition & sharing your condition with your friends and family" because by now you should have your answers already, the rest will be same as my previous post:
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...because anxiety thoughts are learned bad habits, it's harmless, worst case you will have panick attack but that is also harmless because it's a normal physical reaction of fear & adrenaline rush for fight-or-flight response to nonexistent danger, if you keep talking about it & be reminded about it constantly, your anxiety thoughts will become persistent & hard to shake off over time.

What you should do however is try to fill up your free times with positive activities such as sports, singing, listen to music, chitchat with friends (anything but anxiety stuff), hobbies etc, this will avoid your idling mind to wander into negative thoughts, when you practice these new habits constantly, you will unlearned your bad habits in no time.
Be happy & No worry. biggrin.gif

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post Aug 5 2011, 05:41 PM

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Info extracted & compiled from The Linden Method with minor edit for readability. biggrin.gif

Are These Experiences Familiar to You?
» Have you sought medical attention when you have felt unwell and discovered that it was all because of high anxiety?
» Do you worry that you might 'lose your mind' or 'lose control'?
» Do you fear going out, away from people or places of safety?
» Do you ever get anxious when you feel confined or trapped somewhere like the dentist, cinemas, hairdressers or in a traffic queue?
» Do you have constant anxious thoughts?
» Do you worry about your heart and breathing because of feelings and pains you experience?
» Do driving or flying, or fear of being trapped without an immediate means of escaping, worry you?

Do you experience any Physical anxiety symptoms like these?
» panic/anxiety attacks
» racing heart
» breathlessness
» dizziness
» difficulty swallowing
» chest pains
» upset stomach/nausea
» indigestion
» lump in throat
» neck or shoulder pain
» palpitations
» fatigue
» sweating
» insomnia
» depression

Or any Psychological and Emotional anxiety symptoms such as these?
» fear of impending doom
» feeling of going mad
» anxiety about being ill
» aggressive or sexual thoughts
» agoraphobia
» derealization
» depersonalization
» fear of medical procedures
» dread of dying
» disturbing or obsessive thoughts
» feeling alone
» obsessions about food
» confusion
» depression
» disturbing dreams
» irritability
» dreaminess
» fear of leaving home
» stress
» bad moods
» frightening thoughts
» anxiety about being with others

Depression and Anxiety
Historically, anxiety and depression have been strongly linked. But are they related? That depends on the answer to one question!

The question is: What came first, the anxiety or the depression symptoms?

If your answer is that depression came before the anxiety, then chances are that you are suffering from true clinical depression. If you answer that your anxiety came before the depression, chances are you have anxiety-related depression and that's a completely different and very treatable condition. Anxiety causes mood changes which mimic true depression!

There is a big difference between anxiety caused by depression and depression caused by anxiety.

Clinical depression is a chemical mood disorder caused by changes in the chemicals in your body and brain that regulate 'mood'. This chemical imbalance causes a wide range of disturbing thoughts and anxiety symptoms and is generally treated using drugs, psychology, psychiatry and some more invasive procedures.

Anxiety is a behavioral condition caused by the habit of 'Fear Cycle' or repetitive anxious thoughts. We feel frightened, we experience symptoms, these frighten us, our anxiety goes up... and the cycle continues. Stress, phobias and anxiety can cause 'depression like' symptoms but rarely true clinical depression. Anxiety is also generally treated using drugs, psychology and psychiatry which are good for treating and managing it, but not for curing it.

Anxiety Disorder - Is it a physical or mental illness?
In short, no, anxiety disorder is neither a physical nor mental illness!

The word disorder suggests illness, please be assured that you are not ill. Anxiety is a behavioral condition regardless of how it makes you feel. Anxiety is a natural response to fear and, like other bodily systems that can falter, causing things like indigestion, palpitations or sensitive eyes for example, the anxiety response can become disrupted too. But, this isn't mental or physical illness... it's a temporary disruption which can be 'reset' very quickly indeed.

Anxiety disorder is the condition caused when stress or constant anxiety provoking situations cause the mind to become reset at a higher than normal benchmark anxiety level. Anxiety disorder is most noticeable by the vast range of unpleasant sensations and thoughts it creates... unpleasant but harmless!

Creation of an anxiety disorder can happen quickly and is usually the result of an event such as work stress, bereavement, divorce or other anxiety-provoking situations. When anxiety levels become raised due to such stressors, the mind can make a decision to re-set at this new level of anxiety; when this happens an anxiety disorder is formed. Anxiety causes a wide range of both physical and psychological symptoms, all directly caused by the anxiety reaction, all harmless, BUT all also feeling much worse than they actually are! They are the sensation of FEAR... BUT, they are NOT true fear!

Anxiety Conditions (Disorder) - what are they?
There are five main 'anxiety disorders', these are:
1. Generalized anxiety disorder (GAD)
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2. Panic disorder
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3. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD)
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4. Phobias
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5. Post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)
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Just because conventional medicine has decided to apply these names to specific features of anxiety conditions, doesn't mean that there aren't some 'fuzzy edges' during diagnosis. If you suffer from any of the above conditions, you have underlying high anxiety, without which none of these anxiety conditions would exist.

Often, anxiety will create a mixture of obsessions, high anxiety and panic, making it very difficult to categorize a sufferer's condition. But, it isn't important to categorize because all of these conditions are caused by elevated anxiety and require the exact same solution to remove them.

Often, anxiety disorder sufferers can be diagnosed as having 'depression' which is a common mistake made by medical practitioners world over; anxiety is a completely separate and very different condition to depression and confusing the two is akin to telling an Athlete's Foot sufferer that they have Eczema... they are both skin conditions but completely unrelated!

Anxiety Attacks - The pinnacle of high anxiety - Can they be stopped?
Anxiety attacks or panic attacks are the most extreme experience of anxiety. Anxiety attacks happen when the hormone adrenalin, which prepares the body for fighting or fleeing from a threat, stays in the blood stream long after it is required. Of course, if the anxiety is inappropriate and has been caused by a disorder and not a true threat, it isn't used up at all; this is when an anxiety attack happens.

Anxiety attacks cause the heart to speed up and for digestion to slow, breathing to speed up and many other changes, which all have the unfortunate affect of causing some unpleasant sensations and thoughts.

Can anxiety attacks be stopped - of course they can.
How?

By reversing the process that caused them in the first place!

Using a structured and simple technique, you can completely reset your anxiety levels back down to normal, something that neither drug therapy nor psychotherapy can do in isolation.

Anxiety Symptoms
Anxiety symptoms are caused by the anxiety response; they are either direct alterations of bodily systems in preparation for anxiety OR side effects of those changes. For example, during high anxiety, the digestive system is slowed down to divert resources to other parts of the body, the muscles for example.

The side effect of this can be stomach cramps or discomfort. The cramps are caused by the anxiety reaction but because the sufferer has high anxiety, they can be interpreted in other ways; fears grow and the anxiety worsens. This then causes more symptoms and so on. This cycle of high anxiety can produce many sensations and thoughts that are mostly misinterpreted by the sufferer as being sinister or threatening, but they are not.

Anxiety causes changes in the body that can cause symptoms just about anywhere and some can be pretty extreme; this doesn't mean they are threatening in any way and all of them will disappear when you eliminate the underlying anxiety that causes them. FACT!

Anxiety Help / Support
Anxiety support can be unstructured and unsupportive through conventional networks and resource shortages are usually to blame. Cost can also be an issue, with specialists such as psychologists and psychiatrists charging high hourly rates and often over long periods. The biggest problem with anxiety help and support though is accessibility. Anxiety sufferers are needy and require support, advice and reassurance during their high anxiety and not just when the specialists are available. Seamless access to answers is vital with anxiety disorders.

Finding such a resource is near impossible through conventional anxiety support provisions, such as a psychology practice, medical practice or hospital.

So, what is the solution to anxiety?
The solution to anxiety is very simple indeed, because the subconscious mind has become 'reset' at a higher than normal level, the cure for anxiety is to reset your high anxiety back down to normal level using a structured anxiety elimination program.

Be Happy & No worry. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 12 2011, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(insidexjokes @ Dec 10 2011, 08:05 AM)
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Rest assured that you're not alone in this AD mind trap, all AD sufferers have similar symptoms such as those listed in my last post.

First, you need to understand that you're not "sick" physically, all the physical pain you're experiencing during AD episodes are the results of a normal physical reaction to fear & adrenaline rush for fight-or-flight response to nonexistent danger that keep on playing in your mind's eye, it's totally harmless to your physical body.

So physically you're 100% fit as confirmed by your doctor(s), you can now stop worrying about it, stop visiting doctor(s) again & again for reassurance as it's just another anxious habit, start working on kicking this bad habit of "fear/negative thought cycles", to kick this habit it's like asking you to unlearn driving a car, it's easy if you're a beginner but hard not impossible if you're a 10+ years experienced driver.

Second, you need to understand also that you're not "sick" mentally, all you have is just a hyper active mind with a lot of unallocated resources running screen saver with horror flicks, the different with people without AD is their screen savers is mostly non-fear positive genre, because fear is the key to open the door to AD, no fear no AD simple as that.

If not sick then why need to see doctor & take meds?
For AD beginners, panic/anxiety attacks is a very scary experience, it's perfectly normal to seek doctor(s) for professional help to first rule out any serious ailments of both physical & mental, if it's confirmed AD then you can opt for short term meds for serious AD or no meds for minor AD, doctor should advice you but the choice is always yours. If you're on meds you should consider cut down or stop meds & work on the elimination of anxious thoughts.

Why meds are bad for AD sufferers?
Meds will only provide temporary relief to AD symptoms, it will only mask or suppress your anxious thoughts as long as it's still in your bloodstream, it doesn't eliminate the root cause of anxious thoughts, often times the effects of meds will wear off after sometime which lead to increase dosage/addiction or change meds, not to mention that you have to endure some nasty side effects. If you're on high dosage of meds for a long time & you stop taking it, you will experience withdrawal syndrome with avalanche of rebound anxiety symptoms, in this case you have to talk to your doctor(s) about a gradual withdrawal program.

Why nowadays we have lots of AD sufferers?
Today people are more & more biased towards negative thoughts given the current world/social/home affairs fill with negative issues, bombarded by media 24/7 with lots of negative news, so no one is spare from it.

So why not everyone suffers from AD?
Those without AD are people who are aware & know how to filter out noise (negative) from signals (positive), their mind choose to dwell on positive thoughts rather than negative thoughts & ignore any temptation of fears.

How AD works basically?
Too much negative thoughts lead to fears, too much fears lead to panic/anxiety attacks, too much panic/anxiety attacks lead to more negative thoughts and the vicious cycle goes on & on, it's a positive feedback of fears in Amygdala that trigger the release of adrenaline into bloodstream which causes all sorts of adrenaline rush symptoms, these are just harmless sensations & feelings, scary but nothing more, BUT it's very handy when you're being chased by a real tiger, adrenaline will boost up your escape velocity. smile.gif

How to stop/eliminate anxious/negative thoughts & panic/anxiety attacks?
The key is to unlearn old habit of anxious thoughts, by learning/practice new habit of non-anxious thoughts to overwrite the old ones, fill up your spare time with lots of positive things/works/hobbies, don't give chance for your mind to idle & wander about aimlessly, identify what make you happy & do it, stop dwelling/researching/talking about your AD conditions & ignore those sad/unhappy stuffs, go to bed early before 11.00pm & have at least 6~8 hours of sleep.
If anxious/negative thoughts try to resurface again, "STOP!" & "DIVERT" your mind/attention to do something else such as phone your friend up for chit-chat (not about AD), play loud music, sing along with it, watch funny videos & LOL, slap your cheeks, dance around, go fly kite, play sports/exercise/Tai-Chi/Chi-Kung, play video games, splash face with cold water, count down from 100 fast, do maths problems & etc, do it until the symptoms subside, make "DIVERSION" your new habit always! nod.gif
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Three teaspoon that's a lot bro, you're having a typical panic/anxiety attacks, coffee is a no-no for AD sufferers as caffeine will make you jittery and more anxious.

Be Happy & No worry. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 27 2011, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(insidexjokes @ Dec 13 2011, 08:41 AM)
...i used to be in a band, a hardcore band. Playing gigs week in week out. For some reason i kept telling myself i still can do that, but my body still refused to cooperate. That is something im working on. Hehehe. But thanks anyways.
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Actually your conscious/logical mind says you can still do that, but your body "involuntary" refused to cooperate due to your subconscious/illogical mind ordered it to do so because of some fear conditioning programmed in Amygdala!

Some or most of our behaviors/habits/actions are involuntary control by our subconscious mind, when you learn new skills, 1st you use your conscious mind to execute the process of a new skill in an orderly manners, as you practise the same process overtime, your act will be programmed into your subconscious mind, next time when you need to perform the same skill set, your subconscious mind will kick in & run the saved skill set program automatically without you making a conscious effort to do so.

The above mechanism also applied to AD sufferers, where constant anxious/negative thoughts originated from your conscious mind when you're running some simulation of fear/worry/danger+fearful-reactions scenarios will trigger your subconscious mind into believing it & record it in Amygdala, when you face the same scenarios again next time, your subconscious mind will playback the same fear/worry/danger+fearful-reactions without you making a conscious effort to do so.

You can still go back & do what you loved before with some lifestyle changes, here are my advice to you:
1. Change your style by playing gigs in less crowded places or do recorded video gigs.
2. Divert your attention away from anything to do with crowded places & do anything that you enjoy/love & happy for until your symptoms reduced.

Some good infos:
http://pukamble.totalh.com/subconc1.htm
http://naturalanxietysolutions.com/article...la_anxiety.html
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QUOTE(activexxx @ Dec 25 2011, 03:49 PM)
...According to the sinseh, OUR EMOTION CAN AFFECT OUR STOMACH. Therefore, all my physical symptoms is started by my mental problem...
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hear, hear! nod.gif

QUOTE(activexxx @ Dec 25 2011, 03:49 PM)
...From that day onwards, I decided to change my lifestyle totally...
- dont be a workaholic...take short breaks regularly at work...dont sit in front of the PC for a long time
- sleep early and wake up before sun rises...go for a morning walk or brief jogging
- do charity on weekends by visiting orphanage or old folks home...u'll noticed that by helping the needy, u'll feel that u're more fortunate and u'll appreciate ur life more and this will lead to more positive thoughts.
- if u're single, go find ur soulmate...have some fun and intimacy together.
- i changed my diet by taking more vege and less meat. Seldom take coffee and alcohol.
- but the most important thing is worry less and be happy.

I still get some mild AD on-and-off when I really stress at work now but it's still managable coz I know how to deal with it from my experience. Luckily my condition has improved now and I won't blushed away when talking to strangers and won't get panic in crowded areas. My simple advice is u need to change ur lifestyle and get rid of ur old habit/thoughts...
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You're on the right track mate! thumbup.gif

Be Happy & No worry. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 14 2012, 03:06 PM

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Hi, just sharing a good overview of what is Anxiety Disorders from The Linden Method.

Attached File  AnxietyDisorders_TheTruth.pdf ( 90.5k ) Number of downloads: 212


If you're into self-help & drug-free solution for your Anxiety Disorders, you should try The Linden Method. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 3 2012, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(LawrenceLoL @ Nov 1 2012, 09:23 PM)
What to do?what kind of treatment can be take?
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Read my posts here:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1777144/+40
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=55318580

Can you share with us your condition in details? smile.gif

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