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post Mar 1 2011, 12:35 AM, updated 15y ago

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No matter what, studying abroad in Europe will offer a stellar education and a much cheaper education than Aussie, especially given the fact that the Australian dollar has rapidly risen against the British pound and US dollar in recent years.

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LONDON — Caught between the rising cost of university tuition in England and the falling percentage of applicants offered places, one British school is giving its students some surprising advice.

By any measure Hockerill Anglo-European College is one of the most successful schools in Britain. Named last month as one of the government’s flagship academies, its students regularly come at or near the top of exam results for the entire country, outperforming such famous names as Eton or Harrow.

But unlike those private schools, where fees can exceed £28,000, or $45,000, a year, Hockerill, in the Hertfordshire town of Bishop’s Stortford, is a state comprehensive, which charges no tuition fees and is forbidden from selecting its students on the basis of academic ability. And while a third of Hockerill’s 830 students are boarders, they are chosen on the basis of need rather than ability to pay. So when Simon Dennis, the school’s principal, heard of government plans to triple university tuition fees in England to £9,000 a year, he decided to make use of the school’s international focus, urging his students to apply to universities abroad and hiring a counselor to help students apply to universities in countries whose fees are cheaper.

“If you can get into the École Normale Supérieure in France and pay about £180 a year for an education at one of the best institutions in the world, why would you pay £9,000 a year in Britain?” Mr. Dennis asked.


Pupils at Hockerill are offered a choice of seven foreign languages: French, German, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Japanese or Mandarin. History and geography classes are taught exclusively in French or German. But with English rapidly becoming the international language of education, even less linguistically flexible students soon find that going abroad can save them money while enhancing the quality of their education.

“Our students can get to Maastricht by train more quickly than they can get to Leeds from London,” Mr. Dennis said. In the Netherlands just over the border from Germany and Belgium, Maastricht University offers a highly regarded undergraduate program taught in English. Tuition fees are €1,672, about £1,430, a year. Germany and France offer even greater savings.

Gus Botsford, a Londoner now in his first year at Maastricht, says he has no regrets about leaving Britain. “I’m at University College, which has a very international atmosphere,” he said, adding that for him the chance to study a broader curriculum, closer to an American liberal arts college than the highly-focused single subject approach common in Britain, was more important than difference in cost. “I have about twice as many contact hours with faculty as some students in England,” he added.

Alex Usher, president of Higher Education Strategy Associates, a Canadian policy research institute, doubts the British government reckoned on the effect of raising fees in a global market. In a report issued this month, Mr. Usher said the rise was “the largest single increase in tuition fees anywhere in the world since records began,” adding that while the availability of student loans means poorer students will be better off in the short term, the government has done “virtually nothing to reduce the net cost of education for low-income students — a policy which is the cornerstone of U.S. efforts to increase access.”

“It will be interesting to see what pressure this puts even on other parts of the British system,” Mr. Usher said in an interview. Pointing out that Wales has decided not to increase fees, while Scottish universities are still free (to Scottish students; English students in Scotland pay from £1,820 to £2,895 a year), he said, “If I had the choice of paying £4,000 a year in Cardiff or £9,000 a year down the road in England — I’m going to Cardiff.”

The shortage of university places in the past year has already prompted a record number of British students to study outside the country.

At a Westminster Forum conference last week in London on the future of education, Vincenzo Raimo, an official at Nottingham University, said that there are already about 22,000 U.K. students enrolled in degree programs overseas. “There are more British students, as a percentage of full degree students, than there are from China and India,” said Mr. Raimo, whose office runs campuses of Nottingham in Malaysia and China.


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With more than 2,400 programs in English just in the non-English speaking parts of Europe, students can choose to study medicine at San Raffaele University in Milan; economics at Aarhus University in Denmark; law at Leiden in the Netherlands; or business at the IE Business School in Madrid. International students at Beijing University can take a full course load in English — and also sign up for free courses in Mandarin.

But the global spread of English has its critics, not all of whom are motivated by nationalism or linguistic chauvinism. Wolfgang Mackiewicz, president of the European Language Council in Berlin, worries that in classrooms where neither the teacher nor the students are native speakers of English the level of instruction is reduced to “the lowest common denominator.”

“I’m not allergic to the use of English at our universities,” he said. “Our academics have to be able to publish their research in English. But they also have to be able to communicate their findings to the local and national communities. There are countries in Europe where people think they’re bilingual, but if you ask them to write they can’t do it.” There is a danger, he added, that “Europe could be reduced to just one gray language. We need people to be not just bilingual but bi-literate.”

“Clearly, there are lots of growing pains as English-language programs expand,” countered Ben Wildavsky, a senior fellow at the Kauffman Foundation and author of “The Great Brain Race.” “But what's the alternative? Will a critical mass of foreign students be learning Swedish or Finnish or Chinese in order to study in those countries? I don’t think so. The more universities offer programs in English, the more foreign students they can attract. That’s good for the universities, and it’s good for foreign students, who will be able to find opportunities that they might not have had otherwise.”

Mr. Botsford, the Maastricht student, said that “as a native speaker, things can sometimes be frustrating,” but for the most part he has been pleasantly surprised. “All of our tutorials are debate-based, with 12 students sitting in a room arguing about things. The level is very high.”

There are only 4 or 5 British students out of 500 at his college. But last year Maastricht started an ad campaign aimed at Britain. “Considering the way things are going at home,” Mr. Botsford said, he’s expecting plenty of company.


Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/educatio...l?flyingspaghettimonster=education

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post Mar 1 2011, 12:50 AM

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I agree! So many great unis out there. I'm studying in The Netherlands too.

However, please take note that non-EU students pay a lot more than the 1600 euro per year. The 1600+ euro tuition fee is only for EU citizens.
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post Mar 1 2011, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(invinciblebunny @ Mar 1 2011, 12:35 AM)
No matter what, studying abroad in Europe will offer a stellar education and a much cheaper education than Aussie, especially given the fact that the Australian dollar has rapidly risen against the British pound and US dollar in recent years.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/educatio...nster=education
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Hey... stop spamming topics already...

...otherwise we here in Education Essentials will recommend you to the moderators to be banned.

Stick to ONE topic and elaborate all you want in that topic. Spamming topics isn't welcomed here.

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Can't you just paste this into the study in the UK thread? Seriously... admin already warn you so many times.. please listen and stop being ignorant
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QUOTE(invinciblebunny @ Mar 1 2011, 12:35 AM)
No matter what, studying abroad in Europe will offer a stellar education and a much cheaper education than Aussie, especially given the fact that the Australian dollar has rapidly risen against the British pound and US dollar in recent years.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/educatio...nster=education
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Thanks invinciblebunny for the post ... thumbup.gif

Now, researching tuition fees+ living cost in France ..
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post Mar 1 2011, 08:59 AM

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Some countries like Denmark has free graduate / post graduate programme for EU nationals. Sounds good.
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post Mar 1 2011, 08:59 AM

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Here's a comprehensive guide for international students aiming to study in Europe:

http://www.euroeducation.net/


Added on March 1, 2011, 9:10 am

The road to free education is less traveled. You just need to research, ask questions, and apply for every grant and scholarship that comes your way to receive a free education.

Have you heard of the scholarships and grants offered by ETSU?



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post Mar 1 2011, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(invinciblebunny @ Mar 1 2011, 12:35 AM)
No matter what, studying abroad in Europe will offer a stellar education and a much cheaper education than Aussie, especially given the fact that the Australian dollar has rapidly risen against the British pound and US dollar in recent years.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/educatio...nster=education
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well what matters to us is how the value of their money stand against the Malaysian Ringgit rather than against each other.
but yeah studying in europe can be cheaper than most English speaking countries.

Though the news you posted mostly apply to UK citizens as the increase in fee is for local students because of the govenrment cutting subsidies to Universities (international students are already paying full fees in the first place) and the fees stated are mainly for those EU citizens but yeah fees for international students can still be considered affordable in comparison.
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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ Mar 1 2011, 01:56 PM)
well what matters to us is how the value of their money stand against the Malaysian Ringgit rather than against each other.
but yeah studying in europe can be cheaper than most English speaking countries.

Though the news you posted mostly apply to UK citizens as the increase in fee is for local students because of the govenrment cutting subsidies to Universities (international students are already paying full fees in the first place) and the fees stated are mainly for those EU citizens but yeah fees for international students can still be considered affordable in comparison.
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QUOTE(tiggert @ Mar 1 2011, 08:59 AM)
Some countries like Denmark has free graduate / post graduate programme for EU nationals. Sounds good.
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sounds good if you are EU nationals. doh.gif
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Mar 1 2011, 01:16 AM)
Hey... stop spamming topics already...

...otherwise we here in Education Essentials will recommend you to the moderators to be banned.

Stick to ONE topic and elaborate all you want in that topic. Spamming topics isn't welcomed here.
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Where to put it then? Put Europe into Australia thread? Or put it into US thread?

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 1 2011, 05:38 PM)
Where to put  it then? Put Europe into Australia thread?  Or put it into US thread?
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Put it in Study in Europe thread? Point being, how does this article concerns us? It's telling the British, not us.
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Even if the article was meant for british students, Europe is still a good alternative for a good education.

The fees for internationals are lower but you can expect the same level of standard in a legit European university as with a normal British university. Sure, these countries wouldn't be as multicultural as the UK but it has its own charms to offer. Those who are seeking to avoid malaysian kampungs should give continental europe a try. Being the only malaysian makes you more valuable in that community.
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QUOTE(edge_seraph @ Mar 1 2011, 06:46 PM)
Put it in Study in Europe thread? Point being, how does this article concerns us? It's telling the British, not us.
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Sure this article is telling us something. Here's the rationale.....

It tells the British to go to Europe for study.

It is also telling us Malaysian intending to go to UK for study to look to Europe instead.

Why do people always need to be spoon fed nowadays? Don't they have a brain any more blush.gif
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QUOTE(feynman @ Mar 2 2011, 06:44 AM)
Even if the article was meant for british students, Europe is still a good alternative for a good education.

The fees for internationals are lower but you can expect the same level of standard in a legit European university as with a normal British university. Sure, these countries wouldn't be as multicultural as the UK but it has its own charms to offer. Those who are seeking to avoid malaysian kampungs should give continental europe a try. Being the only malaysian makes you more valuable in that community.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 2 2011, 07:17 AM)
Sure this article is telling us something. Here's the rationale.....

It tells the British to go to Europe for study.

It is also telling us Malaysian intending to go to UK for study to look to Europe instead.

Why do people always need to be spoon fed nowadays? Don't they have a brain any more blush.gif
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Thank you to both feynman and Optiplex330 for pointing out my mistake. But still, most Malaysians perceive UK as the best (or second best) study destination in the world. We need a proper thread that discusses how is studying in Europe is like, what are the financial aids available, quality of education and life as a student there. So, it's good to have someone graduated from these universities in Europe to address some of our doubts we students and parents here in Malaysia have about these universities.

Well, although there are students waiting to be spoon fed, there are some who genuinely wish to pursue their studies there. Problem is, they do not even know where to begin with. And, correct me if I'm wrong, there aren't many Malaysian studying there compared to the States and UK. Thus, those who dare not venture of out their comfort zone (some pressured by their parents) would stick to the traditional choice, which is the UK.

One more, even though this article is informative, most people would read it with a pinch of salt as the article merely points out the benefits of studying in Europe, low tuition fees and such, but it doesn't tell us this, why should we consider pursuing our education there?
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there is one problem with studying in europe, out of the uk and ireland.......msian/sporean employers are not familiar with european unis and qualifications, and you may potentially face problems with recognition, and acceptance of your qualifications...........given a choice, they are more likely to give the job to someone from leeds or glasgow than someone from some unknown uni in germany or france or poland..........

and for professional courses, recognition and registration is crucial, so do your homework first........this is tricky for courses like law, medicine/dentistry, even engineering if you want to become a professional engineer in msia..........

the articles above are geared towards british students, now they have to pay 3 time more fees.......the above issues are NOT relevant to them, because as part of the eu, all degrees and qualifications are cross recognised and more widely accepted within the eu countries.....
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QUOTE(edge_seraph @ Mar 2 2011, 10:25 AM)
Thank you to both feynman and Optiplex330 for pointing out my mistake. But still, most Malaysians perceive UK as the best (or second best) study destination in the world. We need a proper thread that discusses how is studying in Europe is like, what are the financial aids available, quality of education and life as a student there. So, it's good to have someone graduated from these universities in Europe to address some of our doubts we students and parents here in Malaysia have about these universities.

Well, although there are students waiting to be spoon fed, there are some who genuinely wish to pursue their studies there. Problem is, they do not even know where to begin with. And, correct me if I'm wrong, there aren't many Malaysian studying there compared to the States and UK. Thus, those who dare not venture of out their comfort zone (some pressured by their parents) would stick to the traditional choice, which is the UK.

One more, even though this article is informative, most people would read it with a pinch of salt as the article merely points out the benefits of studying in Europe, low tuition fees and such, but it doesn't tell us this, why should we consider pursuing our education there?
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If a student is genuine enough wanting an oversea tertiary education but can't afford the usual UK fees, they will be busy right now using "google" to find a way there. If there is a will, there is a way. And Europe is certainly a very valid way.

And that's why I disagree it should be reported to the moderator as some have suggested.




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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 2 2011, 01:58 PM)
If a student is genuine enough wanting an oversea tertiary education but can't afford the usual UK fees, they will be busy right now using "google" to find a way there. If there is a will, there is a way. And Europe is certainly a very valid way.

And that's why I disagree it should be reported to the moderator as some have suggested.
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Agreed. If they need to be completely spoonfed, they won't survive uni in Europe anyway.

Anyhoo, attached is the thread on Studying in The Netherlands/ Holland
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 2 2011, 11:32 AM)
there is one problem with studying in europe, out of the uk and ireland.......msian/sporean employers are not familiar with european unis and qualifications, and you may potentially face problems with recognition, and acceptance of your qualifications...........given a choice, they are more likely to give the job to someone from leeds or glasgow than someone from some unknown uni in germany or france or poland..........

and for professional courses, recognition and registration is crucial, so do your homework first........this is tricky for courses like law, medicine/dentistry, even engineering if you want to become a professional engineer in msia..........

the articles above are geared towards british students, now they have to pay 3 time more fees.......the above issues are NOT relevant to them, because as part of the eu, all degrees and qualifications are cross recognised and more widely accepted within the eu countries.....
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What you said are all valid concern, especially with professional recognition course.

But on the other hand, it can sometime work to your advantage. For example, should BMW (of Germany) or Renault (of France) or Philips (of Holland) operating in Malaysia be looking for staff, those having degree from Germany or France of Holland might have an advantage instead. Especially if you can speak German or French.

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What you said are all valid concern, especially with professional recognition course.

But on the other hand, it can sometime work to your advantage. For example, should BMW (of Germany) or Renault (of France) or Philips (of Holland) operating in Malaysia be looking for staff, those having degree from Germany or France of Holland might have an advantage instead. Especially if you can speak German or French.
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I agree with you. I studied in Germany, and I have to say, Graduates from germany in engineering holds high posts all over the world, because they are internationally recognised. Try to find out more about studies in germany, because it charges no Tuition Fees even to Malaysians. I profited from that as well.
There is this club in facebook operated by students there providing infos about how to get to Germany Unis:

http://www.facebook.com/my.de.club#!/g...116471545034767

Take a look if u are interested.
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