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TShenryhing
post Feb 28 2011, 03:01 PM, updated 15y ago

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Dear fellow sifu,

Just wanted to get some opinion as I am planning to purchased an auction property for my dad ( old terrace house only). I really have no experience regarding auction. So far I have ask my lawyer to do a land search and I have submitted my documents to the bank for loan approval. Bank says ok but still waiting for the lawyer's reply.

Is there anything I should be aware off?? Really sounds scary la so far after I read the terms and condition for auction. Hope some sifu can guide me.

Thanks in advance
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post Feb 28 2011, 04:24 PM

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Thanks for the advice guys. Appreciate it.
I haven bid yet as the auction date is next month. I went and saw the house already. A bit old but I dont mind la. But saw some people staying inside wor. Auction property still can have tenant??
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post Feb 28 2011, 06:13 PM

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From what I heard , thats why we do land search make sure no caveat etc...Just worried got other problems besides that. Anyway want to try for experience only la. Will let u guys know hows the process after that.
Anyway got not much budget so don think will win the bid anyway.
Coz the way I see it, if buying from auction, the property must be cheaper by at least 30-40% below market then only worth going through the hassle and take the risk. Estimating 20% out of the 30-40% u saved to pay agent, fix up the house, lawyer fees etc etc. Never know what out standing bills some more.

If cannot get 30% below market then I wont go for it la. Let other crazy fella buy it.
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post Feb 28 2011, 08:27 PM

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Really ah?? How la to get rid of tenant b4 auction?? Do they have the right to stay there in first place since they practically dont owned it anymore??? Aiyo scary la like that. Can ask them to leave after i have successfully bid for the house??
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post Feb 28 2011, 08:50 PM

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Means they also cant do anything if i ask contractor to totally renovate the house when they r staying inside there?? I tile whole house slowly, remove electricity, water etc.. sure they will move out by then right..


Added on February 28, 2011, 8:53 pmActually I went and saw the house. Dont look like malay family when i read the Proclaimation of sales, the actual owner is a malay.. Can I go talk to the tenant. I really confuse as , if the owner got a tenant sure he can afford monthly repayment what..My assumption only la..

But Property101, I really appreciate ur advice and views. really

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post Mar 1 2011, 12:37 AM

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What sum must pay??
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post Mar 1 2011, 03:42 PM

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Thanks guys.. Wah buying property from auction really stress. Now only realise besides the 10% & lawyer fees, I must pay 1% agent fees as well. Coz I thought only when selling or renting out must pay agent fees.
I really hope got no dead body la....If got i quickly throw out of the house then only report police la...
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post Mar 1 2011, 08:50 PM

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Goodness gracious..But heard that cukai pintu and tanah will be beared by the bank auctioning the property.. Is it true??
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post Mar 1 2011, 10:03 PM

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Mine is in Jalan Duta high court. What to pay attention fron the POS???
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post Mar 2 2011, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(scorgio @ Mar 1 2011, 10:08 PM)
POS stands for Proclamation of Sale.

If you don't know what's that, suggest u quit on auction property b4 u dig urself a big hole.
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Oh goodness ur reading or iQ must be poor..I mentioned POS few times. U said to read the POS properly..What to read that is confusing in the POS??? Address, plaintiff, defendant etc..What specifically is deceiving in the POS must read from begining to end without missing a word??? rclxub.gif


Added on March 2, 2011, 7:55 pm
QUOTE(michaellee @ Mar 2 2011, 12:16 AM)
There are two types of Auctions. One is known as high court/land office and the other LACA (loan cum assisngment). LACA only when the master title is not split into individual titles or strata titles.

For high court auction, banks will absorb quit rent and assessment as both are required for a transfer to take place. However, service maintenance, late interests varies and you need to read the POS carefully.

Now, this is where it gets interesting. Rightful owner, beneficial owner and succesful bidders have different rights. You will be bidding for the property which means you have no rights to the property at the moment. Bidding for it doesn't mean you will definitely win. Hence you have no rights to knock on the door and ask the "tenant" or the "owner" to leave. Personally, I have knocked on doors before signalling the resident my intention to bid for the property. It will give you a rough gauge of how hard it might be to chase them away later if you did win. Most of the time, if it is tenants residing, they would tend to coperate and some would ask me to rent them the unit once I buy over. I tend to minimise further any damage by giving them the same rent as they are paying to their current landlord. But beware, some would lie and then you need to inform them the real market rental rates.

Caveat is not as simple as you think. You cannot simply lodge a caveat. A caveat would not prevent a transfer, just create more hassle for you to remove it. If you suffer losses as a result of a negligent caveat, you can even sue the person who lodge the improper caveat. for high court cases, normally it is quite safe to buy even though there are caveats. Remember, the banks always win.

You do not need to pay 1% to an agent for auction cases. In many cases, these agents are paid by the banks. A simple courteous note to your agent telling him/her you will need to consult the auctioning bank regarding the agents fees, they would freak out as they would be blacklisted by the auctioning bank.

Buying auction properties in the past could make money as most would end up 15-20% cheaper than market values. Looking for 30-40% would only happen in undesired locations. but these days, perhaps the market is flushed with money, occasionally auction properties might end up higher than the market value by 5-10%. Why? Auction can be a very emotional event. In the midst of wanting to win, you might exceed your budget.

If you are planning on going to the said auction, I wish you all the best.
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Now this is the writing of a person with knowledge..Not flamming people without reading properly. There is vast difference between what is POS and whats to read from POS...

Thanks Michaelee


Added on March 2, 2011, 8:20 pmWent for auction today..reserve price 486,000..Loss to one bidder who got carried away who won the bid at 700,000. Still cheap for corner house in subang jaya if for own stay but for investor its not worth it. Anyway the owner of the property turned up and pleaded that the property to be withdrawn for some reason which the judge & lawyer didnt accept. Really sad to see the owner in his 50s or 60s pleading for court to give him chance to withdraw the auction. Said he is still staying there and no where to go.. My heart suddently felt sad. But anyway dont think the winner of the bid should celebrate as yet as I believe the owner whom is also a tenant would just pack and leave like that. Believe he would file another case in the high court...will be messy if thats the case

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post Mar 3 2011, 09:56 AM

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Thanks michaelee.. I really did learn alot from this auction...No wonder many people prefer to buy from open market rather than auction. Less Ma Fan...hehe..

OMG Scorgio...can't believe u la..NVM thanks anyway..
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post Mar 3 2011, 02:41 PM

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Hi Michael...thanks for the encouragement and advice..Btw if you come across anything hope you can let me know too..will belanja u makan..cheers
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post Apr 27 2011, 07:27 PM

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Hi Michaellee, just need an advice. Is there any drawback to get an auction property under master title as compared to strata title??

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post Apr 28 2011, 02:41 PM

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Thanks michael..ur of great help. D consent part is worrying a bit. What i am worried is that if i put in 10% and won the bid but eventually i cant obtain consent since the auction is not in high court, then my 10% considered burn..Although it is a rare case but im not a big risk taker la. coward a bit in that sense

 

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