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beandk
post Mar 6 2011, 10:45 PM

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After reading this thread, I'd like to praise Micheal for his genuine and helpful replies. Just one question Micheal, what documents did you receive after redemption? As far as I know, there will only be a temporary contract after your successful bidding. Did you get to receive your title, floor plan, etc? Thanks.
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post Mar 7 2011, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(michaellee @ Mar 6 2011, 11:48 PM)
Thank you. For auction property it is crudely call paying up rather than redemption. Once we have paid the auction bank the balance of the successful bidding price, the lawyer will arrange for a transfer. If it is high court, it is quite easy as the auctioning bank would have most documents ready and being approved by the courts, transfer can take place quite fast. You will be given your title (or a copy if you charge it to the bank). Floor plans are not included in those documents. you need to contact the management office for a sample floor plan. However, some offices might take a little bit more effort in asking for it.

For LACA cases (and in high rise) it could be a little more difficult. Having a good lawyer is of vast importance as  a clumsy lawyer could screw up your timing, and hence you might not be able to draw down by 90 or 120 days (depending on POS). Once that happens, you need to come up with  the cash to pay up the balaence. Again, this would not be good especially for the investors as once you have the ability to pay up, then you cannot claim interests payable against tax.

The temporary contract is called Memorandum of sales is actually quite an important document and it is not temporary. In some ways, that is the "SPA".

Hope the above helps.
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Thanks. It does help.
beandk
post Apr 16 2012, 02:49 PM

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Hi Micheal, great advices that you are giving here. Keep it up.
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post Apr 19 2012, 06:22 PM

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The best way to learn the tricks is to experience the auction yourself. Please understand that many of these tricks are not appropriate to be discussed in an open forum.
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post Apr 19 2012, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(jalsrix @ Apr 19 2012, 08:29 PM)
Why so secretive ?  whistling.gif

This is not political so it can be discussed in open forum .
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Haha..I'm afraid later moderator ban me. cry.gif
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post Apr 21 2012, 05:08 AM

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FYI, it was RM50k per bid for a dslh with reserve price at RM430k. Bailiff set the starting bid at RM500k. It seems to be a norm for hot properties nowadays. Maybe the bailiff wants to cut the process shorter.

Anyway, there is plus point to raising the reserve price and increment amount....helping genuine buyers. False buyers could be those who are making a living out of "settlement" or the owner's people trying to jack up the price. With a higher stake, these people would think twice before they raise their hands in the courtroom.


To me, the increased reserve price is no big deal because eventually the final price will be much higher anyway.
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post Apr 21 2012, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(jalsrix @ Apr 21 2012, 06:43 AM)
I double check the POS/COS that I obtained, there is NO such clause that if more than 2 bidders they can increase the reserved price. But mine is not from high court.


Added on April 21, 2012, 6:47 am
The owner's people try to jack up the price so that the owner can get more money out of the balance...
But what if the owner's people are the ones who win the bid ?

The owner cannot pay the bank, why would his people try to buy the property from the bank ?
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That's why it's called false buyer. Purpose is not to buy.


Added on April 21, 2012, 4:09 pm
QUOTE(Glcotan @ Apr 21 2012, 07:13 AM)
most of the prop i went they started with slightly higher than reserved price, as long as got 2 or more bidders.
it's at their sole discretion on the quantum of increase... what i see so far is, if more ppl, they increase the increment, or if reserved price is high, they increase the increment.. to shorten the process...

it's normal to start late as well... for late registration... try sweet talk or act innocent..
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Yup. It is also to make their lives easier as some final bidding prices can double the reserve price.

Whether they accept late registration or not will depend on your luck mostly....get one in good mood, they will accept anytime before the auction starts. However, in this kind of matter, it's better be punctual la. nod.gif

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post Apr 22 2012, 08:48 PM

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I probably understand the pros and cons of increasing the reserved price if there are more bidders. In fact, i just wanted to know if this is a norm, or it is flexible for the bailiff to decide during the auction. Since many experienced bidder has said it is a normal practice, i supposed that it is.
Like Micheal said, this practice only started about a year ago where the property auction scene becomes hot. Surprisingly, the auction scene is still hot compared to your normal sub-sale. Is this practice going to last? Nobody knows. By right, the increasing of price should happen when there are two bidders or more. Then again, the ultimate say is with the judge.

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Heheh got it, first time, and i do not expect 2 hours from cheras - shah alam also can be late.. Actually i already asked my agent to inform the bailiff that we will be late for 5-10 minutes, he just answer 'x blh'. And we actually reached at 9.36 at the auction room. We also tried to show sympathy while taking a high breath cause i ran all the way from the outside road, climb the staircase, and into the auction room. He just don't allow us. By fate..hahaha


Congratulations on your giving your virginity (to auction)! rclxms.gif
Although you did not manage to get some action, take it as a learning experience. Don't you think you learned quite a bit on the field? Even if you actually bidded on that day, you might not win. Nowadays, the final price of hot properties are almost on par with the market price, with some even exceeded. Mind if I ask whether the final price exceeded your budget that day?
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post Apr 23 2012, 12:24 AM

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The final price is only 10k higher than my budget...


Well, 10k is quite a bit for a 200k prop. Just out of curiosity, would you ever consider going over your budget?

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post Apr 23 2012, 02:27 PM

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There is a couple of time, when I realised that there is no subsale in that region and I die die want to have the location, I am happy to pay a slightly above market premium in auction. The beauty of auction if you are a snaky person, is you can reap a lot of benefits post auction.


Well, the 'die die' says it all...must come with a premium. For me, I do not have to balls to do so as I always need a margin of safety for the unexpected. Have to be pretty cash rich as well. Salute!

Hehe..... didn't know you can be snaky post auction. I thought pre auction? Maybe taikor here can teach a bit of your kung fu?

Post auction for me is always a bunch of headache. Chasing for draw down to meet deadline, chasing owner to move, chasing the auction bankers to pay up their court fees....
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post Apr 23 2012, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 23 2012, 03:04 PM)
hmm, nowadays auction final price is close or higher than the market price. therefore, any advantage of choosing to buy at auction ?

i have lose interest in auction after knowing all this info ..... sigh
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Don't get discouraged la. You never try you never know....Just don't put your expectations too high.
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post Apr 23 2012, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(michaellee @ Apr 23 2012, 03:14 PM)
In fact post auction is where the actions are. When do you move in? When do you renovate? When do you chase the inhabitants out? How do you chase the inhabitants? Who are the people you use for your work done? Etc. I have a few advantages as I have a team which had been doing all these for me. Like the bankers who would approve the loan quickly so that the lawyer who would make sure my loans are drawn on time, then having the necessary people to make the appropriate police reports, breaking into the house via a various numbers of means (tailored to individual inhabitant), to schedule workmen to work. These are the exciting part of auction. To share my latest experience. I bought this run down house from auction in the second week of April at RM230k. Managed to convince one of my tenants to take the place at RM3,500 per month with the condition I can settle them in before the end of this month with the rental to start in May. Managed to get bank loan in third week of April with lawyers preparing drawing down this week. Work began last thursday with nearly 15 workmen and will be done by today. Furnitures will come in wednesday, electrical fridge, tv, washing machines on thursday. Tenant will move in friday. All in all precise clockwork. It can be done if you have the experiences and the team which has been following you. My workers have been with me for more than 8 years.


Added on April 23, 2012, 3:16 pm

As per my above post, the biggest advantage with auction is that I could use the property straight away. Of course this is if you know how to do the right things and pull the right lever. The thing is, if you have known me in real life, I bet 50% of your purchases will be from auctions, with the occasional "don't mind the above market price premium" paid. I could probably get back some of these premiums from the 120 days draw down period.
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RM230k sounds like reserve price to me brows.gif Anyway, the point is, you managed to do all those things within a month itself. Very commendable! This one requires strong cables and relationship building over time. The best thing is you already have an existing tenant willing to rent the place without even looking at it. notworthy.gif This is one must learn kung fu......

Question: At what stage do you send out your letter of demand should there be occasions that requires so? After draw down or before? Thank you.





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post Apr 24 2012, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(michaellee @ Apr 23 2012, 11:19 PM)
Honestly, i have yet to used the legal methods of getting the inhabitants out. Perhaps I have been lucky. One thing I always do is to pay the inhabitant a visit prior to the auction and explain my situation to them. And tell them that I am a better "winning bid" compared with others as at least I am more compassionate and willing to negotiate when they need to go. Once I even offered to pay for the lorry to bring their stuffs to the new place.
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Have not really encountered this problem as well but have a near litigation experience. However, it does limit some of my choices as I tend to avoid the hostile ones and certain races.
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post Apr 24 2012, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(michaellee @ Apr 24 2012, 04:16 PM)
You bought and kena litigation?
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This one more of a tenancy case. Who would've thought a so call Datuk would default on payment? Sent a letter out, after that settled amicably.

Nowadays, very cautious about profiling. If I don't feel confident that I can get them off, I dare not touch. But I do like to explore other options. Then I can die die have that unit and have it 'working' as fast as possible. Speed is everything.

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post Apr 25 2012, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(edyek @ Apr 25 2012, 11:00 AM)
Even with real datuk, some is still a pain in the arse and some without financial backup but still talk cock. Meet some and it just gives me a total headache.

So, got agong on the paper is king, datuk is not king. biggrin.gif
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But acted like king nevertheless. A little bit off topic here but just to let you guys know....this Datuk issued a cash cheque to me.....to be collected all the way at Senawang, Negeri Sembilan.
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post Apr 25 2012, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(yankicip @ Apr 25 2012, 02:15 PM)
I am in the opinon that many road side hand written auction notice or the iproperty.com.my auction listing continues listed by different person / agents intention is.

example

2200 fts 2/sty auction 300K
tel 01x xxxxxxx
1) The make the onwer  feel uneasy with their porperty
2) The lower down the market value of that areas particular property value
3) They are a group of people have some kind of other intention
Because the value auction is far too low and its sometime almost 50% only and we uncounter more and more such hand writen board

Anyone feel the same?
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Erm, sorry. Don't really get you. Are you saying that all the roadside advertisements has ulterior motives, that is to mark down market value of that area?
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post Apr 26 2012, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(yankicip @ Apr 26 2012, 08:34 AM)
Oh.... hope what you said is true la.

My wife did complaint to me why our areas D/S value is getting lower and lower after seeing all those never ending "auction advertisement"

& it is rather depress when you check the iproperty and see the same and what worst is so many of them. You start to having this doubts that my house value maybe not that high.

& I my in law started to make comment like :  " You areas is not good, you see so many auction, why so many poor people ".
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In-laws pressure huh? sweat.gif

The best way to find out your house value is to ask for a bank valuation. Bear in mind also, different banks differ in their valuations. But it'll give you a good estimate. The lelong advertisements you see are normally 20-40% below bank valuation, depending on your area. Agents like to pin up the most attractive offers in your neighbourhood (the lowest). Why? Simply, they will get more leads, and subsequently more customers due to the attractive pricing. The better/lower the reserve price is, the more agents will stick their advertisement. All want a piece of the action. Hence, you see a lot of lelong ads. It has nothing to do with them conspiring, they simply want to cari makan. All the many ads you see might actually just come from one auction case but different agents. And they never bother to remove their ads after the auction too. So you have accumulation of ads sometimes.
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post Apr 27 2012, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(yankicip @ Apr 27 2012, 10:24 AM)
No wo,

My areas is BK wo. the price is up and never go down. some more the LRT will be built here.

The problem is those agent auction banner seem like the same person work.

& if you check the i property . Many offer the same auction price but use different agent name.

These agent are sure up to something. ie.. push down the price.
It's a norm for a particular auction to have various agents. Any registered agents are free to take on the case. Hence, the many same price advertisements but different phone numbers. Also, they don't just put one advertisement. They'll paste all around your neighbourhood so that those who stays nearby (who is more likely to be interested) will take note.

 

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