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 Buying Gold As Investment V2, 2011 Gold Rush From Oil Hype

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keii-kun
post Aug 15 2011, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(lustman @ Aug 13 2011, 05:39 AM)
Finally, I've closed my gold account with Maybank @ 165  rclxm9.gif
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on thursday morning 10am you'd get @ 171.xx, i missed the boat and it was RM169 around 230pm.


Added on August 15, 2011, 1:40 pm
QUOTE(lustman @ Aug 13 2011, 01:09 PM)
KFH = syariah compliance

here's a tot.

example 100g - when you sell bank buy, rate let say 165/g = 16500, then you buy bank sell, rate let say 175/g = 17500.

so to get back the original 100g you need to add 1000.

in this case, profit or loss?
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loss. unless you are buying physical or kfh's physical account. physical delivery of your gold is guaranteed laugh.gif

waiting for gold to return to 1600-ish, which i shall take my leave to go KFH in KL for account opening laugh.gif

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post Aug 15 2011, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(lustman @ Aug 15 2011, 02:03 PM)
yes i think it's a loss.

i know i missed the 171 bcos just couldn't make the time to go there but it's ok since i only have peanuts of grams unless if it's a kilo.

add another 15g at KFH today @ 171.xx , that's all i have  cry.gif
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if have a kilo - i'd go to UOB anytime laugh.gif


Added on August 15, 2011, 2:52 pm
QUOTE(Nidz @ Aug 15 2011, 02:18 PM)
im going to purchase gold after raya, but im still contemplating whether to buy physical or paper gold.
my main purpose is for investment, hedging is secondary.
if i buy gold coins or bar, is it difficult to sell it later on when the price is high?
if i buy paper gold, its easier to sell, but the return is not that great coz the banks have their spread.....
any insights?
many thanks.
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if u buy physical from uob/public gold - they buy it back anytime as per price posted. very easy.
both are easy. depends on how long is your term of investment and how much you are planning.

this has been answered many times, maybe you can try reading from page 60+ when the gold discussion starting to get hot laugh.gif

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post Aug 16 2011, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(kuhfayLover @ Aug 16 2011, 09:04 AM)
After buying gold bullion from uob/maybank, does the receipt/bank slip important? do we need to keep it for selling back next time?
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yes. you must have the original receipt.

btw, does anyone knows/tried selling back gold coins to uob which was bought from someone else who bought from UOB?

i.e A buys from UOB. A needs money and sell to B at cheaper price than UOB sell,higher than UOB buy (win-win)
Can B take the coin bought from A and sell back to UOB? Or is it only the registered purchaser can sell back?

cyber,
usually based on 2009.2010 gold goes upward nearing deepavali and continue slowly to rise until dec. then will be sideways until end jan/early feb (CNY) where the price will go down a bit. maybe a lot of chinese sell of gold to celebrate CNY?

i'm waiting for a dip right now to enter back, else dump in ASB first then wait next jan/feb to enter.

past performance does not indicate future performance.


Added on August 16, 2011, 11:26 am
QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 16 2011, 11:20 AM)
I think any investment lower than 20g would be relatively pointless. Even if gold rises, your profit would be too insignificant.

For instance, someone who invests only 10g at RM 170 would only make a total profit of RM100 if the price hits RM180 per gram. I think its easier to save RM 100 through cutting down daily expenses than in gold investment.

When i opened my Maybank GIA in 2010, i invested about 400g and even then i regretted not investing more especially with the current prices.
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if i had the money for 400gm, i'd goes for uob, could get rm1.50 spread.

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post Aug 16 2011, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(trumpfnx @ Aug 16 2011, 11:43 AM)
actually most of us have the money, just that we did not dare to put all of them into gold investment..

when comes to paying property down payment, i can see people could easily come out with 30-50k.. be it loan from family or bank or saving..
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exactly. we still not dare to put all the eggs in a golden basket.
i know i am, made the same mistake last year and this year - another if i had again. deja vu but did not ring any bell lol
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post Aug 16 2011, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(megabyte @ Aug 16 2011, 11:47 AM)
Hi bro, but who would do that? Why selling at much cheaper price when I can just sell back to the bank? Unless the bank is very far away from my house? But my opinion is that as long as we have the receipt then should be okay I suppose. The question is, if I lost the receipt, what are the consequences?
Why is KFH better? can you explain? sorry if i didn't catch up with the earlier stories. I thought as long as whichever spread is lower then go to which bank? Although the initial deposit of 20gm might be heavy for some initial investors alike.
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you missed my point there. i was saying, A sells to be at cheaper price than UOB Sells, but still higher than UOB buys back from A. e.g - now for maple - if A sell RM5,400 to B, both of them had saved rm100 each.

better call UOB to ask, since coins does not bear any serial number so they need to have the proof u are selling the coins bought from them originally. else, people would buy somewhere else cheaper and sells back to UOB.
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post Aug 19 2011, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(jphlau @ Aug 19 2011, 09:08 AM)
180.4/g for cimb
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OMG shocking.gif shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
yesterday the spread was 5.2, today already 5.4....

from 4.2 > 4.5 > 4.7 > 5 > 5.2 > 5.4

would you still go for CIMB?

for those wanted physical security - go KFH lah.... the spread RM10 is equal to PG spread 20gm...so you can already have your physical the day u deposit....

waiting does not gives u more money. today also, we'll hear more ' i should have <fill in the blanks> last week when it was USD1720/oz
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post Aug 19 2011, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(nick.woocs @ Aug 19 2011, 11:39 AM)
lucky u, if you went early morning the price was RM177.50
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last time i said to uob cashier, what la u slow, now already lari 10cent, it was rm154.50 but when she lock in gia it was already rm154.60.

she said ' 10cent maaa itu pun mau kira kaaa.....come come i give u 10cent hahahaha'

monsta2011,
yes, dejavu dejavu... it was like just happened yesterday.

1620 - 1820
1820 - 1720
1720 - 1840

those who bought when it was 170.20 last week (lowest i think) is smiling now hahaha

haris,
it was discussed previously i.e should i buy gold at goldsmith (pohkong,tomei,habib) vs uob vs online shop
if u want to buy pamp suisse from goldsmith, check the buyback policy (% deduct if u sell back to them)
someone mentioned tomei spread is 8% for cash sales, not trade in (dunno how true is that).

but if the physical for long run, buy from the cheapest , trusted seller (1stopgold) since spread does not matter much anymore. for physical pamp, the smaller it is , the bigger the spread. i suggest you to read again.
having said that, buying small amt, better than not buying at all.
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post Aug 19 2011, 12:24 PM

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it seems that all banks are raising up the spread, except UOB for now. and now comparing that UOB rm2 and KFH rm6.13, KFH looks kinda better than PB,MBB,CIMB due to the easy physical withdrawal.

lustman, sell me the extra 3gm, i'll pay for those laugh.gif
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post Aug 19 2011, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(jun16 @ Aug 19 2011, 06:21 PM)
what is uob price at 5.00pm?? rclxub.gif
they website only show 1.54pm price
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i think UOB cut off already.
maybe lots of people come to sell of their GIA so they are too busy to update hahaha.

cyber is correct, last week was the retracement for previous high 1814. damn.....

lustman, it is a good deal. just snap it. else ramai buaya here waiting to ngap.
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QUOTE(chengcheng @ Aug 20 2011, 02:26 PM)
Today jeweler increase price.

Anyone knows the price?

Finally opened a GIA account in CIMB yesterday.

Pray it will continue to go up.
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congrats.
FGJAM already revised 999 to RM212.00/gm sweat.gif

if current price stays throughout the week, next monday uob buying should be at least 178.xx, i guess. and nugget should be hitting 6k already.
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QUOTE(trencher10 @ Aug 20 2011, 02:52 PM)
Should've just plonked my RM10000 that I had along with that RM16000 that I put into my GIA a few weeks ago. Is not happy. sad.gif


Added on August 20, 2011, 3:04 pmAnyone else think there'll be a correction in the short-, very-short term?
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ya ya i should've plonked 400gm last year tongue.gif
correction happened last week, but i may happen next week or the other week? tongue.gif
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post Aug 21 2011, 10:28 PM

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that is definitely panic buying at the moment. but if we start to hear everyone at the kedai kopi talking about gold, its time to take profit laugh.gif

based on current trend, long term, yes gold will go up
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post Aug 22 2011, 02:59 PM

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haha maybank spread growing again... robbing people summore

should i top up my uob? or wait for retrace *sigh* short term passbook buyer here.

long term on physical. my PG bars already gained 17% since end jul rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(jian5481 @ Aug 22 2011, 04:13 PM)
As mentioned before, Maybank and CIMB are using percentage to calculate the spread. So it's obvious that the gap between selling and buying will be higher as the price increases. It's the same as goldsmiths. They use 6-8% spread for bullion, 20-25% for jewelries.
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correct! for everyone's reference

gold passbook
maybank - 4.1% spread buy back (that's about right since last year)
uob - 1.1% spread
cimb - 2.94%

physical
public gold 20gm - 6%
uob aus nugget/maple - 3.1%

goldsmiths i.e tomei (someone mentioned before) give 8% spread buyback, but i'm sure you can't even open the case to enjoy the 8% spread.
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post Aug 25 2011, 10:31 PM

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if gold goes usd1700 tomorrow morning, expect uob to be around 163-165ish.
which also will bring the bullion coin to drop a bit.

time to buy on dip , diversify to some physical. keep some cash to dollar average for the price to go down further (if it goes usd1650 - around mid july price)

will wait to see world price tomorrow morning before queueing at uob for more nuggetss
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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Aug 26 2011, 01:00 PM)
here is what I expect.
There will be a margin raise again during raya time b4 31st August prior to last delivery date of AUgust gold contract.

I'm expecting a big price drop to below USD1650 during raya time when mid-east market is closed.

The drop may have a very short lifespan where most people will not be able to get their physical in time where the physical market is effectively closed.

If it drop below USD1550, I expect UOB will run out of stock.
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UOB melaka here out of stock nugget. maple still have but i dun like it.

yeah, if this morning we end up 1650, we'd all be at the bank by 930am laugh.gif

anyway, it depends on tonite's news,
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QUOTE(yacanni @ Aug 26 2011, 01:20 PM)
pandan malim branch?
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UOB pandan malim where got physical. plaza mahkota near mahkota parade one. can always call to ask.

if i remember correctly, if you maintained your saving acc with them, you can actually call to deposit to gold account or purchase physical over the phone. they will fax the authorizing form to you and you sign. but there is service charge rm20 ....will reconfirm on this.

then can always lock gia/nugget when they had revised and no need to rush to bank......


Added on August 26, 2011, 10:18 pm
QUOTE(spikyz @ Aug 26 2011, 09:25 PM)
any update on the talk?
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no stimulus. uncle ben said wait for next fomc meeting in sept. so, this would put gold trading at sideways/ranging, i guess.

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Aug 26 2011, 10:50 PM)
so nothing new or anything that can affect pm prices?
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not really, it will depends on market movement or any bad news in euro.
as for now, just sit back and enjoy the holidays laugh.gif

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